Pusha T Claims Rap's "Forefathers" Didn't "Stand The Test Of Time"

[CHICAGO]

It makes sense otherwise Kane and Rakim would be able to sell out arenas like top bands from the 70s and early 80s still can

KANE & RAKIM
CAN DRAW A BIGGER CROWD THAN PUSHA GUARANTEED.

THIS QUOTE
WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE
COMING FROM SOMEONE
LIKE JAY OR NAS.



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[Mike the Executioner]

pretty sure he said this on drink champs and it's true

at the same time it wasn't in their control rap sounds evolved very rapidly in the 80's to know that rakim and Jay-Z the same age is a trip. some of the older rappers got a very small window before rap moved on drastically from their style and sound. whenever something is new it just advances at a rapid pace that's the nature of things. when I started listening to rap i could only go back as far as 88 outside very few rappers. I couldn't really do the shan and the kurtis blows and the melle mel shyt... statrted with the Kane, Ra, Grap, Slick Rick shyt.

Yeah, that's why it's amazing how guys like LL were able to survive that and maintain their relevance for several years. I feel like music in general was a bloodsport back then, but especially with rap because it just started and people weren't expecting it to last that long. I found out recently that it was Quincy Jones who recruited Run-D.M.C. to work with Michael Jackson on Bad, and Michael thought Quincy was losing his mind because he felt like rap was on its way out.

And what's crazy is even back then, rappers were concerned about where hip hop was going and that it was starting to get too commercial.

 

[spliz]

I'm assuming the numerous rappers that eventually left him alone.

But I forgot, you're a pusha dikkrider and the same nikka that was randomly tagging us in that thread and tryna go back and forth with ppl about not listening to him

So nevermind

Yachty was the one who was sayin some bullshyt and got called out on it. Rappers left him alone because not only did he apologize. He actually vowed to work on his craft and his rhymes and got significantly better in the process.

 

[spliz]

In a way they the Magic vs Bird plus the martyrdom of Kobe.

When Kobe died it hurt much more than when MJ died even to to today it hurts more

U gotta look at the circumstances in how Kobe died. That was a tragic accident that even took the life of his young daughter and another family. That plays a part.

 

[Rembrandt]

Yachty was the one who was sayin some bullshyt and got called out on it. Rappers left him alone because not only did he apologize. He actually vowed to work on his craft and his rhymes and got significantly better in the process.

But shyt, boat was also the one that responded to their criticisms with actual rap before all of that. He was freestyling places and dropped that song.

I forgot he made some comments though, but all I saw after looking it up was ebro setting him up, him dropping that song and then him being honest about not being able to name 5 big or 2 pac songs. Then calling his haters old and washed up after people got on his ass


He ain't say nothing wild from the jump like xan saying he 2pac wasn't a legend.

But I get what you're saying.

 

[SAJ!!]

Pusha is basically saying what I have been saying for years.

We need to stop taking our hip-hop icons and legends for granted and give them their flowers while they're still here.

That's it.

 

[tuckgod]

Except..

LL, Wayne, JZ, Nas, Cube, Snoop, KRS, Lox..

All older than Pusha T rapwise and all rank higher on my list..

Common, Fat Joe, Scarface, E-40, Too Short, Bun-B, DJ Quik, Big Boi, I could go on for a minute.

 

[Taadow]

The full quote makes sense.

The full quote is more puzzling in context than the title, imo…

 

[Taadow]

Pusha is basically saying what I have been saying for years.

We need to stop taking our hip-hop icons and legends for granted and give them their flowers while they're still here.

That's it.

I think he said a little more than that.
The flavor I get is he think he better than the other greats that “didn’t stand the test of time” - I can’t meet him there.

He is blessed that The Sound is his milieu; the reason the greats usually don’t remain is because The Sound changes
and they either (a) don’t change or (b) become The Old Rapper who tried to keep up. It’s a lose/lose situation.

 

[BelowTheMasonDixon]

Many didn't last just because they hated on younger artist and stuck with their original sound that ends up sounding dated.

I don't think that's fair. I don't want Eightball and MJG sounding different in 2022 or Too Short. shyt you can make the case Griselda sounds out of place. I think people just have their time. and when its up its over. TI can still rap circles around 99% of these new nikkas. But can't sell anything like in his heyday.

 

[BelowTheMasonDixon]

I think he said a little more than that.
The flavor I get is he think he better than the other greats that “didn’t stand the test of time” - I can’t meet him there.

He is blessed that The Sound is his milieu; the reason the greats usually don’t remain is because The Sound changes
and they either (a) don’t change or (b) become The Old Rapper who tried to keep up. It’s a lose/lose situation.

EXACTLY!!!!

 

[Taadow]

I don't think that's fair. I don't want Eightball and MJG sounding different in 2022 or Too Short. shyt you can make the case Griselda sounds out of place. I think people just have their time. and when its up its over. TI can still rap circles around 99% of these new nikkas. But can't sell anything like in his heyday.

(Save for T.I., lol) You picked great examples here.

Eightball & MJG are still rapping and still sound good on these Trap beats…but no one can fucc with them in their pocket.
Put them on a cool ass T-Mixxx, Slice T, or even an MJG beat - nobody else can do that chit like them. I want them to do that and not what Lil’ New Guy is doing; who is doing what 100 other new rappers are doing.

Same with $hort. He still hard. His delivery is timeless, and he will never run out of material.
But I’m lying if I say it didn’t sound better with Banks and them than it does with these Atlanta dudes.
Short was smart and saw the switch and did it after “You Can’t Be A Better Player”, so you can’t be mad.

But I don’t know why people think that 50-year-olds who have been rapping since they were teens
just forget how to rap. Anything you keep doing for that long you get better at.

 

[BelowTheMasonDixon]

(Save for T.I., lol) You picked great examples here.

Eightball & MJG are still rapping and still sound good on these Trap beats…but no one can fucc with them in their pocket.
Put them on a cool ass T-Mixxx, Slice T, or even an MJG beat - nobody else can do that chit like them. I want them to do that and not what Lil’ New Guy is doing; who is doing what 100 other new rappers are doing.

Same with $hort. He still hard. His delivery is timeless, and he will never run out of material.
But I’m lying if I say it didn’t sound better with Banks and them than it does with these Atlanta dudes.
Short was smart and saw the switch and did it after “You Can’t Be A Better Player”, so you can’t be mad.

But I don’t know why people think that 50-year-olds who have been rapping since they were teens
just forget how to rap. Anything you keep doing for that long you get better at.

I'm sorry fam TI is nice to ME. but yeah I agree. And I was just listened to Crank Lucas do the Southern nikkas freestyle and I was blown away how original all those brothers were whos flow he mimicked. But I do disagree with one thing a lot of rappers get old and get lazy. lets not say lazy more like uninspired. and you can hear it in their verses. I'm drunk. so I'll try to explain myself better tomorrow.

 

[Still Benefited]

Rappers from the 80's don't get no love out side of NWA maybe.

ATCQ don't get love.. Honestly, with rap music the fanbase has always been fickle. It's all about the newest and latest.


Ironically, it's always been that way. In the late 80's rappers were trying to outshine the rappers before them on some competition shyt.


Pac and Biggie's names still ring out because of their deaths. Outkast has stood the test of time. There are others, but Pusha T was talking about the forefathers which is different. Early 80's shyt

Thats the way its supposed to be,old heads are supposed to get phased out if they cant compete. My problem with what Pusha is saying is 90's rappers evolved from 80's rappers. 2000's were in somewhat of a decline. But still had great styles and personas. But i dont think 90s rappers got completely phased out. Now since the 2010s its been mostly pure garbage so how can you take any pride in outlasting anybody?

You survived as a niche artisr for people who still give a damn about lyrics. But in the era where alot of nikkas had bars,Pusha was mostly irrelevent .

I guess i give him credit for not losing his love for doing it. But truthfully Id rather had been that nikka in rap for a few seasons in a great era. Than be considered a default great in a shyt era like this one

 

[Taadow]

I don't think that's fair. I don't want Eightball and MJG sounding different in 2022 or Too Short. shyt you can make the case Griselda sounds out of place. I think people just have their time. and when its up its over. TI can still rap circles around 99% of these new nikkas. But can't sell anything like in his heyday.

(Save for T.I., lol) You picked great examples here.

Eightball & MJG are still rapping and still sound good on these Trap beats…but no one can fucc with them in their pocket.
Put them on a cool ass T-Mixxx, Slice T, or even an MJG beat - nobody else can do that chit like them. I want them to do that and not what Lil’ New Guy is doing; who is doing what 100 other new rappers are doing.

Same with $hort. He still hard. His delivery is timeless, and he will never run out of material.
But I’m lying if I say it didn’t sound better with Banks and them than it does with these Atlanta dudes.
Short was smart and saw the switch and did it after “You Can’t Be A Better Player”, so you can’t be mad.

But I don’t know why people think that 50-year-olds who have been rapping since they were teens
just forget how to rap. Anything you keep doing for that long you get better at.

I'm sorry fam TI is nice to ME. but yeah I agree. And I was just listened to Crank Lucas do the Southern nikkas freestyle and I was blown away how original all those brothers were whos flow he mimicked. But I do disagree with one thing a lot of rappers get old and get lazy. lets not say lazy more like uninspired. and you can hear it in their verses. I'm drunk. so I'll try to explain myself better tomorrow.

Naw I get it.
I’m just talking chit because i’m petty about T.I. because IMO he was a copy of Tela who did not get the props he deserves.