QB Purgatory

[#1 pick]

Don't know about that one. Eli made some good throws in that game (he had some almost picks though)... A lot of QBs would have crumbled at the sight of the pass rush. The one thing I'll give Eli credit for is his lack of fear. Dude will stand in the pocket and try to make a play no matter how much pressure's in his face. Problem is he can be a lil too fearless. But I'd rather that than a puss.

But you defend Matt Ryan? You're weird breh.

 

[IAmGettingAMailOrderBride]

Rothlesburger got more rings than peyton, Bree's and Rodgers

 

[MostReal]

yall remember that crap man. We had dudes like Craig Krenzel & stuff...as our legit starter breh. QB hell is that bad

 

[yseJ]

The Bucs game was a joke...that team was horrible. Cowboys game- he was good. Packer game he balled(temps were below zero) and he obviously played well in the SB.

The stars can align for guys that make all of the throws. The stars are never aligning for bad QB's. You change your opinions every thread anyways so its tough to keep up.

lol I change my opinions every thread ? shut the fukk up, my opinion is damn simple and you know it damn well. defenses and teams win games, not qbs. qb's purpose is to not make mistakes, thats all. most qbs who were dubbed elite for winning the big one, when at time they were't, because their defenses won the games for them

if you want to point out hypocrisy, you should be the first one to look in the mirror. you base your opinion on what is good qb play by how they played in superbowl and by qbs names. if elis Ds allows 27+ to the pats D, what happens ?

you call eli passing for 240 yards 2td and 1 pick in the SB balling, yet you turn around and shyt on chad pennington who had far better games in the playoffs ? smfh

yet again you said an outright lie (eli was peyton manning during playoff runs) and I called you out on it, simple as that. whereas eli's 07 run is closer to proverbial david garrard/alex smith circa harbaugh era stats. anyone with a brain and not qbs cum in their head can see that.

 

[yseJ]

So Did Tom Brady and Joe Montana for there 1st SB Wins but they made the throws when they had too but no body is discrediting them.

And in 11, you can put any QB behind Center and take that ass whooping against SF and play the way Eli did & that includes the Special Teams Assist.

any qb whose team won the SB owes ton of credit to their D. that includes brees (saints were about to lose the game if not for tracy porter pick), peyton (obvious), eli (obvious), ben (obvious), montana, aikman, brady, and so on

the Niners and cowgirls always had potent offenses in late 80s/early 90s, yet they won when they had great Ds first and foremost

 

[yseJ]

Did you Watch the games?

Dallas had the ball for the entire 2nd Qtr, 11 Minute Drive for a TD, Eli went down the field in 40 Seconds for a TD. Hell Dallas controlled that Entire game, When the Giants had the ball they scored TD's

Eli played as well as any QB could play in the Conditions in GB that night

The 4th Qtr in the SB speaks for it's self

yes I watched the games, all of them too. in no game in 2007 did eli remind anyone of reg. season peyton.

 

[JLova]

But you defend Matt Ryan? You're weird breh.

You hate the guy. I get it.

 

[MostReal]

Even breaking the bank for an elite qb don't guarantee success....Rodgers won the chip and ain't won a playoff game since.

so glad you acknowledged this

 

[MostReal]

wrong thread

 

[#1 pick]

You hate the guy. I get it.

I don't hate Matt Ryan. He is what he is. I know what he needs to win but I know how hard it will be get that and afford it.

With that said, answer my question.

 

[Bboystyle]

ill need to locate the stats…but ryan has to be a top 5 clutch PLAYER in the nfl period.. every team he has lost too in the playoffs since his career began has made the Super Bowl.. partly bad defense..partly bad luck..but that says something

yea look up his stats because Ryan has been blessed with an offense thats elite yet he cant even keep pace with the likes of rodgers,manning,brees, brady...That cac is garbage B

 

[Bboystyle]

Even breaking the bank for an elite qb don't guarantee success....Rodgers won the chip and ain't won a playoff game since.

Packers Vikings last year...But yea, u need to field a decent defense in the playoffs. u can get away with having an elite O in he regular season but once january hits, u better hope ur D shows up...


and LOL @ brees being the only elite QB in the NFC... @yseJ

 

[Trip]

lol I change my opinions every thread ? shut the fukk up, my opinion is damn simple and you know it damn well. defenses and teams win games, not qbs. qb's purpose is to not make mistakes, thats all. most qbs who were dubbed elite for winning the big one, when at time they were't, because their defenses won the games for them

if you want to point out hypocrisy, you should be the first one to look in the mirror. you base your opinion on what is good qb play by how they played in superbowl and by qbs names. if elis Ds allows 27+ to the pats D, what happens ?

you call eli passing for 240 yards 2td and 1 pick in the SB balling, yet you turn around and shyt on chad pennington who had far better games in the playoffs ? smfh

yet again you said an outright lie (eli was peyton manning during playoff runs) and I called you out on it, simple as that. whereas eli's 07 run is closer to proverbial david garrard/alex smith circa harbaugh era stats. anyone with a brain and not qbs cum in their head can see that.

I dont base good QB play on single games. I can however correlate consisting winning teams to QB play. Teams that make the playoffs consistently all have good QB's.

If anyone's obsessed with QB's its you. You're in every thread telling everyone how much they dont matter.

 

[FAH1223]

Rothlesburger got more rings than peyton, Bree's and Rodgers

True but that first SB Ben played horrible.. He was young and had that running game and defense.

Rodgers beat him in Ben's last SB appearance 3 years ago

 

[Trip]

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2014/secret-sauce-revisited

Awesome article/research for the geeks on offense/defense impact reg season vs post season.

Over time, parity has decreased during the regular season, but increased during the playoffs.

Offense is important again, but it's bad offenses that have won more games than expected. Of the 24 statistically significant correlations for this time period, only Total VOA doesn't have "offense" in the name. And yet, every one of those offensive DVOAs has a negative effect on playoff success. The 2007 New York Giants -- I'm sensing a theme here -- had the highest PWA since 1990 (not just from 2006 to 2012), but ranked 18th with -1.1% Offense DVOA. The 2009 New York Jets -- seriously, what's with the New York thing today -- amassed +1.06 PWA despite finishing the regular season at -12.5% Offense DVOA (ranked 22nd). Meanwhile, the 2010 New England Patriots, who currently own the second-best Offense DVOA of all time (so far) were one and done thanks to the N+1 incarnation of that Jets team despite being a 3-to-1 favorite to win the game. Finally, the team with the worst PWA of this era (-0.79) was the 2007 Indianapolis Colts, they of the 22.2% Offense DVOA and Divisional round exit at the hands of Billy Volek.

The fact that having a good offense -- especially a good pass offense -- seems to be a recipe for playoff failure these days is puzzling to me for two reasons. First, if that's the case, then why isn't having a good defense -- especially a good pass defense -- part of the recipe for success? Of 126 DVOA splits, the most influential defensive correlation ranks 28th (-.191 for front zone) and pass defense doesn't show up until 48th (-.129 for Weeks 10-17). Second, and more importantly, what the hell's going on out here? Anyone who is either in tune with NFL stat analysis or has happened to watch an NFL game over the past few years knows that having a high-octane pass offense, usually on the shoulders of an elite quarterback, is the shortest distance between showing up and winning. Over the past seven years, however, 14 of the 18 teams that finished the regular season in the top 3 of Pass Offense DVOA underachieved in the playoffs, including the last six No. 1s. Of course, in the irony to end all ironies, the only No. 1 pass offense to win the Super Bowl during this period was the 2006 Indianapolis Colts. After 2,500 words, it turns out Bill Polian's s--t comes up smelling like roses to this moron.