Ransom perfectly describing y that lyrical miracle shyt is wack

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Nas may be diplomatic nowadays but he's on record mocking those lyrical miracle "backpack" type of rappers like Lupe and said he don't fukk with it. I think it was on that Nore trailer for that documentary that never dropped.

REALLY???

 

[I'm Blackman]

Why do nikkas get so emotional over Lupe?

This. Its the oddest thing from his fans (which I'm one of) to his detractors....nikkas really get in their feelings over this.

 

[I'm Blackman]

Why not. He’s on record saying he doesn’t know how to actually write a song (structure, bridge, chorus, etc) and he doesn’t care about production. Stuff like Mural is the definition of lyrical miracle. It has no artistic meaning, no thematic worth or narrative. Instead it’s essentially a bunch of double entendres and similes connected together like a puzzle, for the sole intention of you (the listener) googling until you “understand” it. It’s the highest height of corny lyrical miracle shyt. Play that for Biggie and he’d slap you. Play it for a chick and she’d never have sex with you.

Being lyrical is about more than making clever references to pop culture. And it’s certainly not about rapping from the perspective of a hamburger. The standard for what makes rap lyrical should be similar to the standards used to judge good writing or prose in general. Emotional depth, poetic flare, vocabulary, clever wordplay…the ability to translate complex thought into simple, clear language.

I want to feel something when I listen to rap. I want to learn about the author/rapper. With Lupe I instead hear the bitterness of a nerd constantly trying to belittle the “hood” dudes who clowned him his whole life.

Excellent post but allow me to retort on a few things. I'm a lupe fan he has the ability to make songs with emotional depth and albums with complete cohesive narratives.

However he does like to rap or make things over complicated at times just for the sake of doing so. That's an accurate take. Some of his fans like that.

Murals is just lyrical flexing for the fukk of it. Jay z did it with lyrical exercise. Neither song had a point other than to show I m nice. That was their goal and they achieved that. Difference is Jay wouldn't put that on an album (just a bonus) but point still stands.

You say play it for Big and he'd slap you (I'm a big pun Intended Big fan) and I think he's a MUCH better artist than lupe...but why is his view the standard? Also you don't play lupe to get chicks to fukk lol. Im married and not out there like that but I'd imagine you'd play Drake or some shyt. You wouldn't place Face (ghost or brad) to get chicks in the mood...but that criteria doesn't define their greatness.

The part you mention about judging prose is all opinion. Jay z once said "Lyrics is just what you like" and I agree with him. Let's take pulp fiction writers like Dean Koontz and Stephen King. The former usually writes in really long musically sounding sentences (you can hear a poetic touch under the words) while King typically writes in a very straightforward way. Which is better is just preference. Or take Ta Nehisi Coates and Balwdin....same thing one is much more dense and wordy and one is much more "simple". Does that make one better?

To me what Lupe lacks is what Nas did on KD 2. You could tell Nas cheif aim was to make dope songs and a dope album. If that meant a simpler line or letting the beat breath he did that. My Goats like Nas Jay or Face have the ability to be incredible simple (at times) and have a huge lyrical impact. Thats a different skill but I'm not sure its a "better skill" though its probably harder.

My take anyway.

Signed a guy who thought Dinosaurs was pointless lyrical miracle shyt from LU but I still enjoyed the bars.

 

[GoldenGlove]

Lupe having hits is a meaningless argument when all of them were literally handed to him by Atlantic. Beat, chorus, melody, everything. He's never been a good songwriter and it's a major reason why his albums age so terribly. The beats, the hooks, the sounds...it's offensive to the ears more often than not when you look back.

Personally I'm not a Ransom fan. He sounds like some regular dude from the bar who picks up the mic to spit a few bars before being politely shown the exits. No charisma at fukking all. And that beard is wack, no homo. But he's 100% right.

This is cap. Kick Push wasn't given to him from Atlantic


And you know this

 

[Sonic Boom of the South]

Ransom stays crying in most his songs about not getting praised for his lyrical ability

He just like Jay with that shyt

 

[vino]

Lupe Is not a lyrical miracle rapper at all.

 

[I'm Blackman]

I agree and disagree at the same time. A lot of cats just put words and syllables together and say absolutely nothing worthwhile. Lupe isn't one of those cats, cause his expression just takes a certain way of listening that takes an effort to digest. Ka is not easy digestible on first listen but if you take the time to invest in his vocabulary and phrasing you'd hear jewels being dropped bit it takes an effort. Ran has a point but the same way they lump so called street rappers on a pile they do with the 50 syllables in a sentence murderers. Em is a great example of why using a lot of words doesn't mean anything to impact your experience since he says almost nothing relatable or impactful. He was better when he used words to explain instead of impress.

Ka is a perfect example. He makes demands of the listener and once you invest you see how dope he is.

 

[DarkmanX]

Not at all what it means. Lupe is a great poster child for that. It means you are great at rhyming words to the point that you don’t care about no other part of the song. You doing super complex rhyme schemes and all that shyt but it’s not adding to the song.
Another example was canibus, he could rap all day but couldn’t make a good song to save his life. It’s like you only understand one part of being an artist.

Bur then you have guys like Eminem and Kendrick who are lyrical miracle but can make good songs too. It’s not a bad thing but a lot of them dudes be putting too much infasis on that part and not enough on the rest of the song.

Ehhh..idk about Eminem. Thats what a producer like Dre helped him with. Snoop as well.
Snoop was just a freestyler who would go off the dome about random shyt. But D.O.C. and Dre helped
him with song structure etc.

 

[Chip Skylark]

This conversation was really all over the place. It really shows how fans view rappers and how rappers view themselves lol and how everyone has a different definition of EVERYTHING

Ransom doesn’t think he’s a lyrical miracle rapper because he laces his content with some street shyt but he is a LYRICAL MIRACLE RAPPER LOL he literally described himself. He uses Multis then he’ll say a bar for you to catch it a give a great punchline and then back to the multis lol

And Daylyt is a real street nikka but he literally slighted the man and looked down on him cause he chooses to rap about other shyt

he literally did the same thing he “thinks” Lupe did to him lol

Honestly ever since Soulja boy said super lyrical Lupe fiasco rap lol people really have been running with this lupe being lyrical miracle which shows they really haven’t listened to dude albums cause none of it is like that and how people really are influenced by what others say

but both sides tend to do this shyt.

They literally were calling “lyrical” rappers nerds and some conscious lyrical miracle rappers tend to call street rappers whack when

In reality there are a lot of lyrical street rappers and a lot of street rappers have made great conscious songs.

Lyrical miracle really needs a strong definition. Cause I swear when I hear dudes like Logic and Joyner Lucas they literally be saying the simplest shyt just fast and when you break it down there’s no punches, no metaphors nothing

 

[spliz]

Lupe having hits is a meaningless argument when all of them were literally handed to him by Atlantic. Beat, chorus, melody, everything. He's never been a good songwriter and it's a major reason why his albums age so terribly. The beats, the hooks, the sounds...it's offensive to the ears more often than not when you look back.

Personally I'm not a Ransom fan. He sounds like some regular dude from the bar who picks up the mic to spit a few bars before being politely shown the exits. No charisma at fukking all. And that beard is wack, no homo. But he's 100% right.

The bolded isn’t true in the slightest and actually the only one that was given to him was a song he didn’t use. Nothing On You. Which ended up going to B.O.B. Which the reasoning for this is because he felt he already proved himself to be able to write his own hits and they weren’t trying to pay him at ALL for Nothing On You.

 

[Surreal]

From 9:35 on Ransom explains EXACTLY what I've been trying to explain for years. nikkas try to redefine what lyrical is soooooo badly because they wanna prop up corny nikkas like Eminem and Lupe Fiasco. All that convoluted shyt ain't special and it definitely doesn't leave a long-lasting imprint or makes for good music. I knew nikkas on here were lost when they told me Biggie wasn't lyrical. What Biggie did was more special and he got lines that nikkas from all walks of life have been quoting and sampling for years. Saying less and leaving a nikka like is a far greater talent than whatever the fukk Lupe be doing.

They say good music is subjective. That's a lie. We know what good music is. Em and Lupe don't make good music. They can rap like crazy but can't make quality music that's enjoyable

 

[spliz]

Like I said before. I define lyrical miracle as someone who says mad shyt to say nothing. Lol. Like current Eminem. I wouldn’t call a cat like KA lyrical miracle either but he’s bordering complex spoken word at this point. His beats are barely beats anymore. Just sounds n shyt. Lol. No real structure or anything it sounds like he’s reciting lyrics over a movie score. Very abstract. A random cat who likes more simple shyt would hear Ransom and his consistent use of multis and think he’s lyrical miracle.

 

[Conan]

It's why so many people have come to think that being skilled with your words is actually a detriment and a negative quality to have as a rapper.

This is the astounding part.

nikkas have more flames for lyrical miracle rappers than dumb ass pop rappers who don't be saying shyt AND have no skills

 

[spliz]

This is the astounding part.

nikkas have more flames for lyrical miracle rappers than dumb ass pop rappers who don't be saying shyt AND have no skills

I don’t know bout nobody else but I would listen to Playboi Carti before Aesop Rock. Lol.

 

[Eastside Get The Money]

Lyrical miracle is just putting big words that rhyme together in a bar with no context.

Lupe can’t be lyrical miracle with songs like daydreaming, kick push, the cool, deliver, the cool etc..