Ransom perfectly describing y that lyrical miracle shyt is wack

[Zero]

A nikka with 1 flow shouldn't speak

 

[NormanConnors]

But what does one style of rap have to do with crafting songs? Nore had a string of hit records/songs, no one would call a lyrical miracle rapper...by perceived definition...yet said absolutely nothing in his songs.

It seems like cats have different opinions of what lyrical miracle is on here. All opinion i guess. Imo you can still be lyrical miracle even if you're not on some failed bar you down shyt, when conscious rap was heavy there were a lot of cats trying to sound deep but weren't saying a damn thing.

Rick Ross is an easy mark for the lyrical miracle tag. Son has NEVER said anything that connects topically. Prime example of a cat that 'sounds' dope.

 

[New Jeruzalem Journalist]

That's what people do a lot - when they have no argument, they rigidly force things into an either/or fallacy.

Like when nikkas defend ignorant drill by acting like the only alternative is making Immortal Technique-style tracks as if there isn't some vast middle ground between those spectrums

All Ransom basically did in that video was what these dudes have been doing for the better part of 3 decades now whenever someone challenges somebody to step their rap game up.

Dismiss their critiques and say they're a hater.

If you prefer street shyt, drug shyt, club shyt, or whatever, then just say so. The irony here is that those types of dudes are the ones on their high horses looking down at cats who rap about other shyt with complexity.

It's why so many people have come to think that being skilled with your words is actually a detriment and a negative quality to have as a rapper.

 

[NormanConnors]

Let me clarify. A catchy mainstream song. I’m not tryna shyt on Royce in here I think he dope.

Thats a fair statement, Royce hasn't had that big single to place that particular notch in his belt (unless you count the bad meets evil stuff), the whole aftermath debacle set him back in that regard. He's a household name but he isnt at the same time. At least Lupe has that to attest to (catchy mainstream song)

 

[Piff Perkins]

Lupe having hits is a meaningless argument when all of them were literally handed to him by Atlantic. Beat, chorus, melody, everything. He's never been a good songwriter and it's a major reason why his albums age so terribly. The beats, the hooks, the sounds...it's offensive to the ears more often than not when you look back.

Personally I'm not a Ransom fan. He sounds like some regular dude from the bar who picks up the mic to spit a few bars before being politely shown the exits. No charisma at fukking all. And that beard is wack, no homo. But he's 100% right.

 

[nieman]

It seems like cats have different opinions of what lyrical miracle is on here. All opinion i guess. Imo you can still be lyrical miracle even if you're not on some failed bar you down shyt, when conscious rap was heavy there were a lot of cats trying to sound deep but weren't saying a damn thing.

Rick Ross is an easy mark for the lyrical miracle tag. Son has NEVER said anything that connects topically. Prime example of a cat that 'sounds' dope.

But my point is, who isn't "lyrical miracle"? When you break it down, no one is really saying anything...so, who actually is saying something in their songs? The list pretty miniscule.

That's why I said rap is pretty much "I'm better/more thorough/live/crazy than you" said a 100 different ways, line to line, song to song. And then you have your stories told. It shouldn't detract from the MC if they found a way to say it a different way by adding a couple of larger or more words...because in the end, they still are saying the same thing.

 

[TheDarceKnight]

I don't think of Lupe as being lyrical miracle. And FWIW I think both these guys ironically have more in common than not

 

[TheDarceKnight]

Royce and Lupe are both lyrical miracle nikkas to me. You can have direction and have hits and still be "lyrical miracle". Lyrical miracle to me is being overly complex and technical for the sake of showing off skills and not for the betterment of the song or making it relatable but solely to show off your prowess as a MC. They both do that all the time.

I've also always associated lyrical miracle cats with having not very smooth flows. I'm guessing that was never a part of the definition, but yeah. Talib Kweli for example. I love his first 2 albums and Black Star, but sometimes he has a herky jerky flow and tries to fit way too many words into his bars. Also, these Armand Hammer cats that just did this album with Alchemist this year...I think they're super dope lyrically, and they're saying some real shyt, but their flows to me are a little off-kilter.

 

[Tommy Sheppard]

Lupe jumped the shark to me.

He used to balance smart intelligent word play with a looser more straight forward style.

Now every song he is trying to do too much....every line is stuffed with forced metaphors and double/triple entendres. It's exhausting. He turned into Canibus. It might be impressive on a technical level but it's not enjoyable to listen to. It's self-indulgent.

bingo.

 

[NoHalfWay]

Lupe having hits is a meaningless argument when all of them were literally handed to him by Atlantic. Beat, chorus, melody, everything. He's never been a good songwriter and it's a major reason why his albums age so terribly. The beats, the hooks, the sounds...it's offensive to the ears more often than not when you look back.

Personally I'm not a Ransom fan. He sounds like some regular dude from the bar who picks up the mic to spit a few bars before being politely shown the exits. No charisma at fukking all. And that beard is wack, no homo. But he's 100% right.

Stop lying. Superstar was literally all 1st & 15th. The hits after were definitely Atlantic’s shyt tho, but that goes to show how superficial judging artists off hits is

And the bolded is absurd lol

 

[jilla82]

how is something like this Lyrical Mirical?
some cats just hate on creativity and non-street rap

 

[nieman]

Overall, what I'm gathering is if their music is easily digestible to your ears, they aren't "lyrical miracle" however, if they are "doing to too much with the bars" they are. It has nothing to do with what they're actually saying.

 

[jilla82]

From 9:35 on Ransom explains EXACTLY what I've been trying to explain for years. nikkas try to redefine what lyrical is soooooo badly because they wanna prop up corny nikkas like Eminem and Lupe Fiasco. All that convoluted shyt ain't special and it definitely doesn't leave a long-lasting imprint or makes for good music. I knew nikkas on here were lost when they told me Biggie wasn't lyrical. What Biggie did was more special and he got lines that nikkas from all walks of life have been quoting and sampling for years. Saying less and leaving a nikka like is a far greater talent than whatever the fukk Lupe be doing.

Ransom!?

thats the pot calling the kettle black.
The same folks that love Lupe love Ransom...
...dudes flow puts you to sleep...and he's trying to say entertaining rap is?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Royce is more lyrical miracle shyt than Lupe though

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Drake >>>>>>>>>>>>>>