Ransom perfectly describing y that lyrical miracle shyt is wack

[Ziploc]

I agree and disagree at the same time. A lot of cats just put words and syllables together and say absolutely nothing worthwhile. Lupe isn't one of those cats, cause his expression just takes a certain way of listening that takes an effort to digest. Ka is not easy digestible on first listen but if you take the time to invest in his vocabulary and phrasing you'd hear jewels being dropped bit it takes an effort. Ran has a point but the same way they lump so called street rappers on a pile they do with the 50 syllables in a sentence murderers. Em is a great example of why using a lot of words doesn't mean anything to impact your experience since he says almost nothing relatable or impactful. He was better when he used words to explain instead of impress.

 

[HARLEM AL]

Why do nikkas get so emotional over Lupe?

Exactly. Lol

The irony…..

 

[HARLEM AL]

Not even close

When he said that I automatically just skipped over his post. shyt made no sense to me.

 

[Devil Plisken…CMS]

From 9:35 on Ransom explains EXACTLY what I've been trying to explain for years. nikkas try to redefine what lyrical is soooooo badly because they wanna prop up corny nikkas like Eminem and Lupe Fiasco. All that convoluted shyt ain't special and it definitely doesn't leave a long-lasting imprint or makes for good music. I knew nikkas on here were lost when they told me Biggie wasn't lyrical. What Biggie did was more special and he got lines that nikkas from all walks of life have been quoting and sampling for years. Saying less and leaving a nikka like is a far greater talent than whatever the fukk Lupe be doing.

Ironically when Em kept it clean & not convoluted 00-03 he was at his absolute peak

 

[bourgeoisie tall freak]

not sure which part perfectly describes how anything is wack

he thinks they look down on street rappers.... sounds like a self esteem issue. lupe has plenty street bars
then later in the video he says he wants some sort of takeaway message instead of words thrown together. meh, this is entertainment at the end of the day. i don't care if they are using a whole verse to describe something as simple as "i'm a good rapper" as long as it's entertaining, im not here for profound messages and role models lol. but if they can add that in there it's a plus

 

[NormanConnors]

Royce and Lupe are both lyrical miracle nikkas to me. You can have direction and have hits and still be "lyrical miracle". Lyrical miracle to me is being overly complex and technical for the sake of showing off skills and not for the betterment of the song or making it relatable but solely to show off your prowess as a MC. They both do that all the time.

That would pigeon hole a ton of emcees history wise. On the same flip that's not something every emcee can do though/flex that way, its a skill, not lyrical miracle, imo. Cats been hating because its limitations on how well they can spit.

Royce is far from lyrical miracle. He can craft songs with the best of them

 

[Devil Plisken…CMS]

Lupe can make a hit record whenever he feels like it and his songs actually have direction. Whether they can be cryptic in deeper meaning or not. Royce is more lyrical miracle than Lupe and Ran got Royce on his album. Like I said alotta Street lyricists say that about nikkas they feel are lyrically better than them as an insecurity. He don’t feel Royce is lyrically better than him. But I bet u he’s insecure about Lupe. Lupe can be lyrical miracle. But that’s not the way I would describe him overall. He’s overly cryptic on average. On average Royce is lyrical miracle. Rapping about rapping type shyt.

I always believed Lupe should have occasionally revisited his original style minus whatever he fundamentally doesn't believe in as a way to keep nikkax in tune. If Lupe got on songs with nikkax talking that same sort of shyt it would have been interesting to see people's perspectives

 

[spliz]

I must have a different definition of a lyrical miracles Because in my mind a nikka that can’t switch up and strictly lives on his bars is lyrical miracle . The fact that Lupe can
Switch up takes him out of that category for me

I feel like Lupe is both. I see ur point as well. Ur point was initially my point. Lol. But I do feel he’s leaning more toward the lyrical miracle side these days. I still say he has too much substance and versatility to flat out be labeled as such.

 

[NormanConnors]

Nobody cares about your Lupe takes my guy you are not an objective party when it comes to Lu. What you been tryna say is not being heard because of the messenger.

pot calling the kettle black

 

[nieman]

That would pigeon hole a ton of emcees history wise. On the same flip that's not something every emcee can do though/flex that way, its a skill, not lyrical miracle, imo. Cats been hating because its limitations on how well they can spit.

Royce is far from lyrical miracle. He can craft songs with the best of them

But what does one style of rap have to do with crafting songs? Nore had a string of hit records/songs, no one would call a lyrical miracle rapper...by perceived definition...yet said absolutely nothing in his songs.

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

You cared enough to respond tho


You a Lupe dikkeater so you are not an objective party when it comes to Lu.

Lupe trash, my nikka. Deal with it.

Ok breh. Another man shouldn't male you this emotional. Plus I burried the biggest Lupe Stan on this forum. Intellectual recipricol. I'm not that dude

 

[IWasntMadeToPlayTheSon]

Not at all what it means. Lupe is a great poster child for that. It means you are great at rhyming words to the point that you don’t care about no other part of the song. You doing super complex rhyme schemes and all that shyt but it’s not adding to the song.
Another example was canibus, he could rap all day but couldn’t make a good song to save his life. It’s like you only understand one part of being an artist.

Bur then you have guys like Eminem and Kendrick who are lyrical miracle but can make good songs too. It’s not a bad thing but a lot of them dudes be putting too much infasis on that part and not enough on the rest of the song.

Eminem is definition of that lyrical miracle shyt...Empty bars like rap god. N hasn’t made a good song since curtain call. Appropriate name btw

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

pot calling the kettle black

Em Stan saying this is ironic. You the other side of his coin.

 

[FunkDoc1112]

The fact that nobody can even agree on wtf "lyrical miracle" even means should let you know how useless the term is.

To me, it was always just another label used to shyt on underground rappers who have the audacity to think you should display some skills when rhyming if you're going to pick up a microphone. No different than why the term "backpack rap" became a perjorative.

The very first shyt he came out of his mouth with was that he has a perception that "lyrical miracle" rappers look down on people who talk about street shyt.

And that's because the majority of the cats talking about "lyrical miracle" rappers can't compete LYRICALLY, so they lean on other smoke and mirror shyt, which is usually street personas or gimmicks.

As if your pen game can't be nasty with wordplay, complex rhyme schemes, AND still be talking about street shyt.

It's like none of these n*ggas ever heard a Kool G Rap or Smoothe Da Hustler verse before.

That's what people do a lot - when they have no argument, they rigidly force things into an either/or fallacy.

Like when nikkas defend ignorant drill by acting like the only alternative is making Immortal Technique-style tracks as if there isn't some vast middle ground between those spectrums

 

[NormanConnors]

Royce can’t get out of his shyt enough to even make a catchy song. Lupe can do that. Lol. But maybe that’s old Lupe and not new Lupe. I know T&Y he def showed he can still be musical with it tho.