You frame that response as if Wayne and Future are the cause of promethzime being popular. Do you think people would not be sipping lean if not for Wayne and Future?
Let me tell you about the first time I had lean. My partna momma from Houston came up and brought him a big ass jug of lean. He told us that it was some Texas shyt and he poured up and we all was sipping that shyt for a few days. He also told me they did some shyt called handle bars which later I found out was the same thing as zanex. I remember asking him what do they do and he said in Houston we call them mind erasers. I said nikka hell naw, why the fukk would y’all do some shyt like that.
Point is, nikkas was gon be popping pills and sipping lean without rap. And y’all continually and repeatedly place a disproportionate amount of blame on black issues on rap music. And y’all need to cut it out
Again, y’all keep doing this shyt where y’all flat out lie to frame an argument. Nobody is saying that. People are arguing how much influence it has in relation to black crime. People like myself say rap is nowhere near a leading factor, not a root cause, and what is the obsession with singling out and focusing solely on rap music with this board? Other people are acting as if rap music is all that’s wrong with the community. No is pushing back at someone saying rap can be a negative influence, the push back is in y’all having tunnel vision and being obsessed with rap
The first time I had lean was in early 2006, I was 16 and my boy who was like 19 or so, had me over and had a full milk crate with bottles of the shyt. Told me what it was, said nikkas be going crazy over it down south...
I'd heard of it of course, but had never seen it, and didn't personally know anyone who sold it or even spoke of it. So for me personally, I heard of it and it was one ear abd out the other, it wasn't around me...
But when I took the bottles to school, I marketed it as the shyt the rappers were on, I had to because no one around was on that shyt at the time. Muhfukkas were compelled to try it because I said it was cool...
I went up 3-4 months later abd while I was gone in the late 00s is when syrup went completely national. It was still very, very much a deep south drug as late as 2005-2006. This isn't to say "no one" elsewhere ever had access to it, but it certainly wasn't mainstream. Drugs sell themselves but lean specifically, Rose I'm popularity as it was marketed thru hip hop. It didn't spread nationally on some grassroots shyt, I think you would know this, fam...
Also, don't lock into doing the same thing you're accusing others of. I haven't read every post in this thread, but did someone actually say that cats wouldn't be doing drugs if it weren't for hip hop? Don't create ghost arguments that aren't there; I think most people aren't dumb enough to think drug usage started in the hip hop era...
Personally I think the impasse in this debate is with people who feel like rap is being blamed for the ills within black culture, and people who are pointing out that contemporary, popular rap is the primary image of black culture abd it effects us culturally in a number of ways...
The effects of rap aren't all negative but the loudest, most repeated, most widespread forms of it aren't positive and have historical precedent in how we've been marketed in this country. I really hate that so many of us don't get that THAT'S the root of so many of our issue with the music. It really isn't so much about crime, we know violent crime and drugs was here before hip hop...
I love when y'all bring up "before rap music existed", because it tells me that y'all have little to no understanding of past history.
Before rap music existed they used other forms of media propaganda to demonize the image of blacks.
Minstrel Shows, racist cartoons & magazines, movies like "The Birth Of A Nation, etc.
Rap music is a modern day Minstrel Show.
If you had any knowledge of past history there's no way that you would disagree with what I'm saying.
Rap music is literally the modern day Minstrel Show.
Media propaganda such as the negative imagery displayed in rap music also makes BLACK PEOPLE think black people are dangerous and undesirable.
It's absolutely insane to me that black people can't understand the ramifications of constantly having the most negative stereotypes of themselves broadcast to the world.
No other group of men would be proud or allow the main imagery of themselves that's shown to the world to be thugs, gangbangers and drugdealers.
Boy you spitting in these posts...
Do you lack all sense of boundaries whatsoever? What the fukk made you think a wm's opinion was necessary itt? Like, tf?
I thought the comparison was apt:
@GPBear's kinfolk getting rich off encouraging crash dummy type behavior marketed to us and our children as acceptable.
A lot of y'all being disingenuous in here, btw, and I generally fw yall. Do you not see that we're being socially engineered to self destruct?
Sis I generally fukk with everybody too but this thread is evidence, for those who need it, of ignorance being bliss. Because the clear answer to your question is no, muhfukkas do not see the engineering of black culture being steered purposefully in one direction, rather than the other...
And it's sad because it's not even just on here, we know of black friends and family offline who are the same way. Too many of us do not have an issue with how we are publicly portrayed and too many of us either don't know and don't want to know, or know and don't care, that modern, popular hip hop is just a continuation of centuries-long framing of who we are to nonblacks...
I generally don't have an issue with nonblack posters but you know this thread mimics life for them too---->white people have no boundaries in reality. They just don't, so of course white boy thinks this conversation needed his two cent, thats white tradition. Good look on calling that shyt out...
. At least you made it clear that you were arguing in bad faith