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Fukk your corny debates
Manu is slightly better than J. R. Smith? 
He's 
now, but it sounds like some of you never watched watched him in his prime. Prime Manu was an elite SG.
Real talk how Is Ginoboli this automatic hall of famer?
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Manu is slightly better than J. R. Smith? He's now, but it sounds like some of you never watched watched him in his prime. Prime Manu was an elite SG.
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So all that means he's a HOF, when guys like JoJo White, Michael Cooper and Mitch Richmond have better cases, yet aren't in?
Those were good players (maybe even better all around when compared to Reggie at the time they played), but youre not taking into account that Reggie had an all time record on his side, that really helps his case IMO. Hes also top 10 all time in FT %.
When you talk about Manu and the other players you mentioned, yeah they were good players that may have been great at times, but they never achieved an all time record and are in the books like that.
Alls im saying is that Reggie has/had a better case than Manu to be in the Hall IMO.
mastermind
Rest In Power Kobe
he hasnt
realize that Manu has played 10 years in the NBA while Reggie played 18. Manu only has one less all NBA appearance than Reggie.
Reggie only averaged 2 more points in his career too, and was nowhere near the creator Manu was.
They are actually pretty close and Manu being an important cog on some great spurs teams and being a legend in Europe and his great career for Argentina as the main guy makes him a stronger candidate.
Manu is a without a doubt first ballot HOFer. I know you guys only remember what happened in last 24 hours, but Manu is a HOFer without question
Manu's more deservin' only on the strength of playin' in San Antonio, i.e. His rings, I do agree w/ u on this aspect. But let's not forget who the better player was. Miller-Time I think might've had higher percentages from distance and the charity, but Ginobili had actual handles, better finisher/slasher, miles ahead of him defensively, more efficient, better passer, could also play off the ball, clutch in his own right 
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Youre wrong. You conveniently left out all of my post which made Reggies case
He had an all-time record in the greatest basketball league in the world.
He is top 10 in FT% all time, while playing 18 seasons as you mentioned.
He was THAT GUY on his team for the better part of his career and could not lean on guys like Parker or Duncan to win games for his squad.
What is Manu's signature performance in the playoffs that will be remembered like Reggie's comeback against the Knicks?
You claim that I am not thinking back far enough on Manu's career, yet Im going further back than you thinking about Reggie Miller's impact
Shooters like Reggie and Ray Allen do not come along very often, so when they grace the league with their presence they leave a great impact, especially when its done with such longevity.
Also Reggie was a part of a dream team in international ball, so how can you compare Manu's Argentina teams
Reggie was also a really great collegiate player. So lets not forget about that.
He is in the Pac-12 Hall of Honor
His jersey is retired at UCLA (one of the most prestigious NCAA programs).
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Pop limited his minutes, and that's why he never had huge numbers. good 3 point shooter, passer and shot well from the field. Was huge in the Spurs beating Detroit for a title and he led Argentina to a gold medal when no one gave them a chance.
tremonthustler1
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[/QUOTE]U think Ginobili has a stronger case, how? Other than havin' more fortunate circumstances. Basketball-reference.com has Ming makin' the Hall 38%, Ginobili 12%. And lemme kno when Ginobili's resume' matches this:
-Career averages of 19-9-2-2
Yao's International presence
Served as U.S. Ambassador to China for 13 years, was the face of China for the U.S. Made the NBA China's most poular sport, bringin' in around 100 million viewers when he played Yi Jianlian, and 1.3 billion every season @ his prime, debunked the notion that Chinese couldnt play. Has brought in $2.3 billion in revenue shares from the NBA, and broke Jordan record of All-Star votes in '05.
Among the players (collegiate, WNBA & NBA) Yao has held influence upon:
-Yi Jianlian
-Jeremy Lin
-Sun Yue
-Ha Seung Jin
-Mengke Bateer
-Yuta Tabuse
-Kosuke Takeuchi
-Sung-Yoon Bang
-Zhang Kai
-Liu Wei
-Xue YuYang
-Sean Chen
-Ted Wang
-Sabatino Chen
-Sim Bhullar
-Sun HuFeng
-Tyler Sugiyama
-Jet Chang
-Max Zhang
-Sun Ming Ming
-Jim Soo Kim/Choi
-Lin Chang
-Taishi Ito
-Keijuro Matsui
-Ji Xiang
-Shang Ping
-Cai Chen
-Tai-Hao Wu
-Aaron Xia
-Li Muhao
-Wang Zhelin
-Guo Allun
-Zhou Ki
-Duan JiangPeng
-Narito Namizato
-Sui Feifei
-Miao Lijie
Made more All-Star appearances in less time, and was the starter in every All-Star Game he was elected to
6th in Rockets franchise history in points & rebounds
4th in free throws made
2nd in blocks
2002 NBA Rookie Of The Year
2x All-NBA Second Team
3x All-NBA 3rd Team
NBA All-Rookie First Team
2002 CBA Finals Champion & MVP
2002 FIBA World Championship
3x FIBA Asian Championship
Made the Rockets relevant again
Got elected to an All-Star Game WHILE NOT EVEN fukkIN' PLAYIN' A GAME
Much of your reasoning has nothing to do with what he did on the court. That's a possible reason to include him on some dikk Vitale "significant contributor to the sport" type of shyt, not based off his on the court merit which he couldn't sustain due to injury.
mastermind
Rest In Power Kobe
Behind greats like Scott Skiles and Chauncy Billups.
I'll give him 89-2001 as the years where Reggie was the man on those teams. They got bounced out of the 1st round 6 times during that period.
Manu's signature performance was the 2004 Olympics where he carried that team to Gold.
I dont know what this means, but I never said anything like that.You claim that I am not thinking back far enough on Manu's career, yet Im going further back than you thinking about Reggie Miller's impact
What I said is that Manu's accomplished nearly as much as Reggie has in less years.
the thing is Reggie was not highly rated by the press even when he was in his prime. Dude made only 3 All NBA teams, and they were all 3rd team.
Oh, so now that Reggie was just a complimentary player on that Olympic team you want to prop that up but dismiss Manu being the man for the Argies.Also Reggie was a part of a dream team in international ball, so how can you compare Manu's Argentina teams
cool. Its a huge deal.
great!
Manu has a better resume.
Do people make the Basketball HOF w/o playin' in the NBA? That's what I wanna know
yes. You should do yourself a favor and look at the names in the basketball HOF. You could really learn something.
The_Third_Man
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Reggie was the leader of a great Pacers team. Has Manu ever been the 2nd best player on his team?
Not a HOF
its the BASKETBALL HALL OF FAME... not the NBA HALL OF FAME
Manu played internationally for like 7 or 8 years before debuting in 2002.
Manu played internationally for like 7 or 8 years before debuting in 2002.
@tremonthustler1 Point bein', Ginobili's not seein' Yao's resume. 
U wanna talk actual basketball accomplishments? Ming's done more and accomplished more than Ginobili has. There's no argument u can make for Ginobili deservin' a HOF spot more than Ming.
U wanna talk actual basketball accomplishments? Ming's done more and accomplished more than Ginobili has. There's no argument u can make for Ginobili deservin' a HOF spot more than Ming.
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Behind greats like Scott Skiles and Chauncy Billups.
I'll give him 89-2001 as the years where Reggie was the man on those teams. They got bounced out of the 1st round 6 times during that period.
Manu's signature performance was the 2004 Olympics where he carried that team to Gold.
I dont know what this means, but I never said anything like that.
What I said is that Manu's accomplished nearly as much as Reggie has in less years.
Reggie Miller- 8 points in 9 seconds - YouTube
the thing is Reggie was not highly rated by the press even when he was in his prime. Dude made only 3 All NBA teams, and they were all 3rd team.
Oh, so know that Reggie was just a complimentary player on that Olympic team you want to prop that up but dismiss Manu being the man for the Argies.
cool. Its a huge deal.
great!
Manu has a better resume.
yes. You should do yourself a favor and look at the names in the basketball HOF. You could really learn something.
So how strong is Ginobili's case, just off his non-NBA career alone? 'Cause he surely hasn't made any case whatsoever as to him bein' a HOF, NBA-accomplishment wise.