Real talk: looking back, most of that def jux/anticon/rhymesayers indie nerd rap was fukking garbage

[Poetical Poltergeist]

BTW, this dude is the GOAT tin foil rapper!

Immortal actually has skills and made some very meaningful tracks. I wouldn't put him in the same category as Aesop, El p and them.

 

[Ian1362]

Natural elements had nothing to do with that whole movement...that would be like mentioning l da headtoucha, smooth the hustler, b1, half a mil, godfather don etc...completely different styles and far better mcing

lol yeh breh


at confusing mid 90s underground NYC artists with souless hipster mid 2000s rappity rap by dudes who look like they are scared of black people

 

[IllmaticDelta]

I would have to agree with a lot of these artists being boring like Anti-Pop Consortium or something i remember... but Rhymesayers has 1 of the greatest rappers to me: Brother Ali

Brother Ali is

 

[Ian1362]

Necro is too, only saving grace is that his beats are dope on occasion. Production + his rapping on that G Rap duo album was garbage

 

[EndDomination]

no, mf doom was and still is trash. his beats were boring as fukk and on top of that, his voice, his flow and etc were terrible. i've heard a good portion of dude's shyt 10 years ago because my older brother was a fan and boy oh boy, that shyt was trash. dude fukking rapped in the booth with his fukking mask on? it would have helped a little. nobody but the damn engineer is gonna see him rap so why he had to have it on. it sounds like he was talking with a damn blanket on his face and dude sounded like he was waking up too. i can't...... dude literally fukked up that de la soul cocaine flow up. made no goddamn sense.

You're not lying really, MF Doom does have some terrible flows, some wack lyrics occassionally, and even gets off beat at the end of verses sometimes.
He's still a great artist though, just not consistent.
Really, the White BackPack movement didn't stop as much as it just evolved. There were a lot of solid Black backpackers that ended up gaining popularity for a short period of time, and then Kanye blew up.
Really, the movement is still alive and well, though its refined a lot more (Joey Bada$$, Astro, TeamBackPack, Clear Soul Forces, Kooley High, Homeboy Sandman, that whole "Beast Coast" movement) are just backpack rap done incredibly well shyt, Lupe Fiasco was 100% backpack "real rap" and he got a Grammy and went platinum.
Edit: Brother Ali and Aesop Rock are pretty good, though Aesop has the blandest voice on the planet.

 

[Ian1362]

Pyscho-Social was awful, never liked it. Listen to how bad this sounds



You're definitely right about VBD being their best work. GOAT tin foil hat album. Stoupe improved massively between Pyscho Social and VBD. Vinnie Paz was such one dimensional mc. You've heard one Paz verse you've heard them all. I liked him on an ironic level though. Last JMT album I heard was Servants in Heaven, didn't even know Stoupe left. Seems he wasted his prime on Vinnie Paz, same way Khrysis wasted beats on wack ass Sean Boog.

lmao I haven't listened to this JMT album in years, production and rhyming absolute pseudo-intellectual by self-aggrandizing high school dropouts

amazing that Apathy went from rapping like the swagless white afu ra to sounding like Big L:

 

[definition]

I listened to a lot of this stuff in the late 90s/early 2000s. I guess it was kind of a progression from the Soundbombing 1/stretch and bobito type artists ... Only much different. That was fine with me, since I've always been into punk/alternative rock/noise rock as well as hip hop. So the departure from "normal" rap wasn't that big of a deal to me.

One thing I could have done without is so many of those type fans declaring that theirs was truly the "real hip hop." I think anticon kind of started that as a joke, but their fans didn't get it.

Anyway, I've seen a few of these shows, and drank beers with a few of these artists ... All seemed to be decent enough people to me.

One strange thing - a lot of them have moved into different genres (rock, electronic, whatever). Hindsight being 20/20, I guess it might be because a lot of the acts that were actively trying to CHANGE HIP HOP ... Weren't really doing hip hop (in its original form anyway).

I still like some of the stuff though (And I heard sage Francis rapping on a punk rock song recently. Fine with me) - mostly the ones who stuck to the basic premises of hip hop (company flow/ El P is about as weird as I go for rap these days).

I just wrote way too much about this.

 

[Unknown Poster]

more heat ...for the simple fact this is bringing me back to my highschool days ...man i was so introverted


^...the nostalgia behind this song is depressing




some of this shyt was fire fukk it

That kool keith motion man and kutmasta kurt album was a banga...

 

[Shiva]

Cage is nowhere near great breh. Beyond having a poor rapping voice and not riding beats well, son has some of the most corny, embarrassing music in the history of the genre (i.e. most of the Movies for the Blind album). I don't see how anyone who isn't a depressed/angry/troubled adolescent can listen to songs like 'Suicidal Failure' and 'The Soundtrack' without cringing. Cage also has one of the WOAT albums of any genre (Depart from me). I haven't listened to Hell's Winter since around the time it came out, but even if it still stands up that's still just a "One hot album every ten year average". Dude regressed to the mean and went back to being wack straight after.

Eh I disagree, Hell's Winter was objectively his best work, but he had good tracks off his other releases as well (Escape to 88, Agent Orange, I Never Knew You, Nothing Left to Say), and even if you weren't feeling the experimental vibe of his later work, that Leak Bros tape he did with Tame One was still fire from a pure Hip-Hop perspective. You're entitled to your opinion though.

 

[Poetical Poltergeist]

One strange thing - a lot of them have moved into different genres (rock, electronic, whatever). Hindsight being 20/20, I guess it might be because a lot of the acts that were actively trying to CHANGE HIP HOP ... Weren't really doing hip hop (in its original form anyway).

Bingo. Good post.

 

[Northern Son]

Hands down the WOAT label/crew. Dudes really claimed stuff like this was dope

 

[AyBrehHam Linkin]

Couldnt get into damn near any of these trash ass nikkas. And their elitist, poop butt ass fans are the fukkin worst

 

[SirBiatch]

no, mf doom was and still is trash. his beats were boring as fukk and on top of that, his voice, his flow and etc were terrible. i've heard a good portion of dude's shyt 10 years ago because my older brother was a fan and boy oh boy, that shyt was trash. dude fukking rapped in the booth with his fukking mask on? it would have helped a little. nobody but the damn engineer is gonna see him rap so why he had to have it on. it sounds like he was talking with a damn blanket on his face and dude sounded like he was waking up too. i can't...... dude literally fukked up that de la soul cocaine flow up. made no goddamn sense.

How can you not like Accordion & Fancy Clown? I'm pointing those out because a) they're some of DOOM's best work and b) they're more accessible.

You think those songs are trash?

You're not lying really, MF Doom does have some terrible flows, some wack lyrics occassionally, and even gets off beat at the end of verses sometimes.
He's still a great artist though, just not consistent.

wait... what? I don't think I've heard a single wack line from MF DOOM, now that I think about it. To be fair, he's a humorist so he has a lot more leeway to say absurd, silly shyt.... but wack?

I'm not saying you're wrong, but some receipts would nice.

 

[Hardaway]

Fab is still dropping good shyt, the Soul Tape projects and the Young OG Project were good listens honestly

chill

 

[AyBrehHam Linkin]

Only one of those nikkas i like is El P


And im sorry but i tried and tried...but i cant bring myself to call myself a fan of MF Doom, even over some dope ass Madlib production. nikka is boring as all fukk