Real talk: looking back, most of that def jux/anticon/rhymesayers indie nerd rap was fukking garbage

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Both Copywrite and Cage fell off serious.
Yeah copy turned into some weird loser who was battling asher roth like anybody cared...and who was another dude hamster tried to push. I did hear a pretty good copy track this past year but he's a shell of his former self for sure. And cage looks like he went to prison got fukked foe times and turned fagget.
 

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Yeah copy turned into some weird loser who was battling asher roth like anybody cared...and who was another dude hamster tried to push. I did hear a pretty good copy track this past year but he's a shell of his former self for sure. And cage looks like he went to prison got fukked foe times and turned fagget.
I think Cage made emo punk after rap and became wack.
 

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most of them aint really sayin ish but mr. lif and a few others were ill

paul barman aint really that bad once you get over his geekiness at least he had his own style thats refreshing in a way
 

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I can't listen to any of that shyt anymore

Jedi
Esoteric
Cage
Copywrite
Virtuoso
Mr Lif
Etc...

Can't stand any of that shyt anymore. I still fukk with cage but that's about it
 

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From 2000-2003 an epic onslaught of nerdy pretentious elitist white rappers came out of the woodwork and managed to take hip-hop into some of it's worst years ever...

I'm talking about
Sage Francis
Dose One
Anticon
Deep Puddle Dynamics
clouddead
Aesop Rock
MC Paul Barman
Hot Karl

And many others.

I tried listening to their stuff again a couple of weeks ago and just could not do it....

:snoop:


It really was....one of the reasons I stopped listening to Bobbito

He overdosed on that crap...

Shyt like Thirston Howell was pathetic

 

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It really was....one of the reasons I stopped listening to Bobbito

He overdosed on that crap...

Shyt like Thirston Howell was pathetic


Cool Bob Love really did OD on that indie nerd rap shyt.

I mean they had Company Flow on there in 1996-97 and that that point that was when the true division between underground and mainstream started to form. By 1998-2000 the cypher was complete. It was really when Diddy singlehandedly took hip-hop into the jiggy/shiny suit era of rap that this started. Alot of elitism from so called "underground" hip-hop heads that made them feel as if they had to publically denounce this new version of hip-pop in order to secure some credibility from this new audience. But honestly I could tolerate hip-hop from 1998-2002 though. Thats when I was in high school going into college. After 2003 it got absolutely terrible.
 
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Worst album I ever bought. I think I made it like 2 or 3 songs before I could not take it anymore. Man, the early 2000s hiphop message boards were on some BS back then. However, they did put me on to Little Brother/Justus League and MF Doom /Madlib which I am grateful for. I just found out today that even alt-rap loving Pitchfork HATED that Paul Barman album.

MC Paul Barman: Paullelujah! Album Review | Pitchfork

I also can't believe I was into this underground/indie stuff so heavy 15 years ago. In retrospect, the underground scene was cringeworthy during that time.
 

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The ring tone era, "does your chain hang low" bullsheet. That's what got me listening to the underground at least. It's not just white backpacker shyt that's considered underground neither. Masta Ace, Deltron, and Royce (at that time) were underground. Of the white rappers in this movement, I only listened to Slug and Brother Ali. I only really liked the God Loves Ugly album. Brother Ali on the other hand has been dope for many albums.

The underground >>>>>> mainstream, for that time period. No one is bumping Laffy taffy or that crap now. We don't even have to talk about aging badly. shyt was garbage the moment it was conceived in the studio. :scust:

na, this backback underground shyt was big way before ring tone era. If anything, the Bling era/Shiny suit period birthed it.
 

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It really was....one of the reasons I stopped listening to Bobbito

He overdosed on that crap...

Shyt like Thirston Howell was pathetic


Thirston Howell III wasn't a cac, never thought he was on that underground nerd rap steez. :ohhh: All i remember is he called himself a "Polo Rican" and was on camera shouting out Ralph Lauren and bragging how he used to steal his clothes from Macy's :snoop:
 

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Thirston Howell III wasn't a cac, never thought he was on that underground nerd rap steez. :ohhh: All i remember is he called himself a "Polo Rican" and was on camera shouting out Ralph Lauren and bragging how he used to steal his clothes from Macy's :snoop:

well actually that was his claim to fame brother.... :manny:

he was part of the infamous LO LIFE's crew outta brooklyn which was notorious for boosting Polo gear from the department stores back in my day when i lived in the boro...

but make no mistake ...regardless that he wasn't a cac...he did make NERD RAP.....

which is why you never during his prime ..heard him on HOT 97 primetime with Flex or on the major mixapes at the time..Ron G. ...Capri..Wop

you don't have to be white..to make nerd rap.....

thier were commercial artists whom could be considered nerd rap...like Divine Styler and Craig Mack...

godfather don and kool keith are two examples of that......

i think nerd rap is just a misnomer for cats during the mid 90s whom were "retro" with thier stylings and complex delivery by NOT sticking to subjects about CRACK and GATS.......

I mean it's all good.....i don't mind a nerd rap track..as long as it's GOOD :ufdup:

unfortunatly thier was too much bullshyt out there.....especially on college radio and within the vinyl community
 
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