Real Talk, Lyrics Don't Matter, Beats>>All

[Kokoro]

Naw fukk that shyt. A song can have a fire beat, but if the lyrics are subpar I wont listen to it. Beats arent something rappers should hide behind when they have shyt lyrics.

Listen to Tribe Called Quest. Dope lyrics, and dope beats. No excuses

 

[Professor Polo]

lol @ this stupid ass thread...


Of course production matters...but history will tell you that lyrics reign supreme...think of any rapper with any type of longevity with commercial success...they have lyrics...they don't have to be super duper lyrical...but lyrical enough to make a connection with fans

 

[Hyperion]

This is the problem withHIPHOP now. No one is saying anything, at all. But production is some of the best the game has ever seen.

It's so Bad that the nikkas that are actually saying basic ass shyt are seen as rap gods and shyt,

Thankfully, they're not the ones who have any say in the overall grand scheme of Hip Hop. Beats are important, it definitely plays a huge part, but it's not the end game. Lyrics DO matter. Hip Hop has always been lyrics first, but some dudes only care about how hard that 808 hits, then they wanna play the Activist role and talk about how the lyrics are too violent and always involve destruction of the community.

Oh, but I thought you didn't care about the lyrics?


Lyrics in music has always been crucial, it's the words that motivate you and makes you feel certain types of emotions. A beat can do that too, but how many beats makes you want to follow your dreams, or to ask that girl out... or to get you through the loss of a loved one? Not many. And dudes are foolish because the only reason why they fukk with the beat so heavily is BECAUSE of who's on it. Otherwise they'd be out here listening to instrumentals and SoundClick would be the hottest thing out. But it's not. So what does that tell you?

And it's even worse to say that you only love the beat, because a lot of these trap beats sound the same. Very few producers are about that innovation. I personally think that while trap beats are great for what they are, we should start to be moving towards live instrumentation as a whole. It would definitely get the culture around the sampling issue, and music tends to sound more lively when you have actual instruments being played versus a VST. But that also might just be the producer and not the equipment in itself.

 

[AyBrehHam Linkin]

depends on the artists style, what i like best about the particular artist is what i think will matter the most. a nikka like curren$y i fukk with him because his flow is so damn smooth, dude could honestly rap about anything.



jay electronica because his lyrics just turns words into pictures so damn well, like someone took an ancient poem and made it into a rap song.




a nikka like kanye just has sick ass production that complements his flow and lyrics, as if the instrumental is apart of his aura or some shyt.

 

[SirBiatch]

never heard that before

shyt's making love to my eardrum

Reminds me of the time when 9th first came on the scene and I went on a 9th-anything spree.

 

[Captain Crunch]

Lies. Mainstream production is some of the worst it's ever been. The quality of production is at an all time high, the bars just don't match it. GKMC, NWTS, MBDTF, ACID RAP, TPAB P, ASAPS DEBUT, all have amazing production. I listen to Drakes music simply because of production these days.

the problem is that there's no substance anymore. Or very little for that matter. I miss the days of listening to hip hop, and rewinding a bar like " did he really just say that" nowadays I rewind for beat changes, or amazing drops. The quality is just terrible right Now. You got people really trying to tell nikkas that Young Thug, is anywhere above trash. It's sad. When a nikka as garbage as him can get on and you got motherfukkers who know nothing about music, cosigning him it's terrible. And they always throw out the word "sonically" without knowing what it means, as if using that word will convince me That you know something about music. "B-b-b sonically he's on another level, you just dont see it" :pikacamby:



Fact is, lyrics are important. And it's a problem with hip hop now. Brain dead, garbage rap has its place in hip hop, but it shouldn't be at the forefront of the genre, it's supposed to be buried and dug up by losers who enjoy it. People don't want to think anymore, if it's not some easy to follow chant, than nikkas don't wanna hear it. nikkas call J.Cole boring for rapping, just rapping His ass off, yet label the young thugs and migos of the world entertaining for their random shouting and adlibs. These are the same nigggas who hated TPAB because it didn't have "bangers". New age HipHop fans are WOAT. nikkas want filler to nod their heads to.

Hip Hop,is dying right before our eyes.

Breh Young Thug is more entertaining the "lyrical wizards" you champion. If I'm trying to get hyped or have something in the background, the Rich Gang Tha Tour or something on that lines will provide entertainment. That reason is why rappers like Thug; Quan, or even Lil B have relevance.

Being entertained>>>hearing some lines

 

[SirBiatch]

Hip Hop has always been lyrics first, but some dudes only care about how hard that 808 hits,

WHAT?!

My dude... nikkas weren't even rapping when hip hop got invented. It took a couple years before people start rapping.

It's the breakbeat. That infinity loop. That's hip hop.

A beat can do that too, but how many beats makes you want to follow your dreams, or to ask that girl out... or to get you through the loss of a loved one?

TONS.

Wow... y'all must be listening to this genre totally different from me.

lol @ this stupid ass thread...


Of course production matters...but history will tell you that lyrics reign supreme...think of any rapper with any type of longevity with commercial success...they have lyrics...they don't have to be super duper lyrical...but lyrical enough to make a connection with fans

The greatest rappers in hip hop history have consistently rhymed on the greatest beats. Without incredible beats backing them, nobody would give a fukk about them.

Don't get it twisted - hip hop at its CORE is DJ culture. And DJs are producers/beatmakers/party starters.

 

[NVious]

The dumb are mostly intrigued by the drum.

 

[Stone]

WHAT?!

My dude... nikkas weren't even rapping when hip hop got invented. It took a couple years before people start rapping.

It's the breakbeat. That infinity loop. That's hip hop.





TONS.

Wow... y'all must be listening to this genre totally different from me.



The greatest rappers in hip hop history have consistently rhymed on the greatest beats. Without incredible beats backing them, nobody would give a fukk about them.

Don't get it twisted - hip hop at its CORE is DJ culture. And DJs are producers/beatmakers/party starters.

Pretty much.

I've always maintained that hip-hop isn't as good as it was in the past because the producers aren't as good.

Back then you had Dre,RZA, Premier, Havoc, organized noise, Pete rock etc all in their primes

 

[MercuryHayes]

Cant take anyone seriously that think beats now are worse than most tracks from 05-09.


Arguably the worst era ever.

 

[SirBiatch]

Pretty much.

I've always maintained that hip-hop isn't as good as it was in the past because the producers aren't as good.

Back then you had Dre,RZA, Premier, Havoc, organized noise, Pete rock etc all in their primes

exactly.

In the words of Wio-K (Canadian cat): "Beats give me vibes.... vibes give me... RHYMES!"

All your greatest rappers heard a beat that gave a crazy vibe, and they came up with great rhymes to follow. Sure, sometimes guys like Nas will just write in their book and match their verses to a beat, but it doesn't happen as often as you would think. And the results are usually lackluster.

A great beat is the imagination that sparks a great verse 9 times out of 10.

 

[Hyperion]

WHAT?!

My dude... nikkas weren't even rapping when hip hop got invented. It took a couple years before people start rapping.

It's the breakbeat. That infinity loop. That's hip hop.





TONS.

Wow... y'all must be listening to this genre totally different from me.

As for the first point... Fair enough.

As for the second point... I'm not saying there aren't beats that don't do that. What I did say was that you're much more likely to get that feeling when you have the lyrics AND the beat directed in that fashion. Which is obvious. That was my point.

 

[DMGAINGREEN]

Cant take anyone seriously that think beats now are worse than most tracks from 05-09.


Arguably the worst era ever.

Mainstream aspect yeah shyt was horrendous , but the mixtape circuit was producing mad piff during that era .

 

[SirBiatch]

Mainstream aspect yeah shyt was horrendous , but the mixtape circuit was producing mad piff during that era .

exactly. as opposed to now, when the mixtape circuit is producing mad shyt

 

[Bars4TheCause]

Production is definitely better now than it ever was. Most of the 90's beats that get love here are either generic or mediocre.

Migos have better lyrics than Eminem. Haven't heard enough from Rae to know if they do too but Em is shyt. Migos is much better in every category.

Beats, Charisma, Flow and Originality are most important to me. Lyrics are always important though unless its a party track.