religion of peace, peace

[Blackking]

Malcolm was pro people. Islam was the the vehicle through which he preached this. Which I think needs to stop, not Islam per se but getting attached to anything. People are People. We have thoughts and ideas, words, and languages. We all come into this world Tabula Rasa, a blank slate, the world writes on us, we write on the world, we write on each other and then we return to the Essence.

I'm not saying that you should believe in genetic memory or that 'nurture' doesn't play the major role in development......

but I'm not sure what you mean by the Essence.. dirt??

Nature plays a huge role as well. Instincts are genetically hard wired into our brains. Let say that humans invented religion in antiquity.. the reason we will never let it go is because evolutionary responses of prior populations have determined the shyt is the way to go for our social advancement... And humans being probably the most social of all animals, meaning society has shaped us as much as environmental factors. You can have a house pet.. and he will walk around his sleeping environment a few times before sleeping because in the past that animal's species had to flatten out grass in shyt. You give off involuntary signals and facial expressions in all sorts of situations whether you want to or not. Even things that are 'learned on the blank slate' are effected by our minds which is connected to (or is) the brain and that is def not a blank slate. A goose will follow you around forever if your face is the one it sees when it's hatched because past genetics and environmental circumstances has prewired it to follow that animal- because that must be the mother aka best chance at survival.


Anyway, like I mentioned to whatshisface the end destination is the goal.. the vehicle to get there isn't as important as long as we get their together.

 

[Blackking]

NO! I have no problem with Muslims/Islam what so ever. I was a Muslim myself for many years.

However, I gained the knowledge on the history of my race and it opened my eyes.

I was in denial much how you are atm but I took a step back and preceded to venture into the history of Africa and its peoples from an unbias viewpoint.

My sig is relevant at this moment in time

I knew about slavery and related issues before I became a Muslim. Reading Assata Shakur's book and Malcolm X's book is really what made me look into Islam. Then Farrakhan's groups- I noticed did the most , low key, out of the media shyt.. then I noticed that while I got love for them... most afrocentric people and communities don't do shyt but post online and talk in public. And they don't promote education the way they should. They feel white people hold our education back (which is true) but unlike the black Muslims they weren't taking matters into their own hands...with business, land, and education. Then I saw how in Chicago while other black schools are shooting things up while parents complain, the NOI one is ran pretty good, minus the noi religious stuff I wish all black schools were ran this way. Then I actually studied religion and became religious.

 

[theworldismine13]

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[WaveGang]

I knew about slavery and related issues before I became a Muslim. Reading Assata Shakur's book and Malcolm X's book is really what made me look into Islam. Then Farrakhan's groups- I noticed did the most , low key, out of the media shyt.. then I noticed that while I got love for them... most afrocentric people and communities don't do shyt but post online and talk in public. And they don't promote education the way they should. They feel white people hold our education back (which is true) but unlike the black Muslims they weren't taking matters into their own hands...with business, land, and education. Then I saw how in Chicago while other black schools are shooting things up while parents complain, the NOI one is ran pretty good, minus the noi religious stuff I wish all black schools were ran this way. Then I actually studied religion and became religious.

So you never heard of the Black Panther Party?

every organisation that could have "mad a difference" has been taken out by the forces that be. The ones that are left (including leaders) are a side show "in place" to keep us under control. Straight facts

That don't mean we gotta stop trying. shyt

Black people make the less but contribute the most to the economy (think of how materialism is implemented into our culture) I can bring you these facts at request. If we focused solely on Africa and its decendants we'd be on progression to level par in no time.



Religion plays a BIG part in the suppresion of Africa and its descendants

 

[Blackking]

So you never heard of the Black Panther Party?

every organisation that could have "mad a difference" has been taken out by the forces that be. The ones that are left (including leaders) are a side show "in place" to keep us under control. Straight facts

That don't mean we gotta stop trying. shyt

Black people make the less but contribute the most to the economy (think of how materialism is implemented into our culture) I can bring you these facts at request. If we focused solely on Africa and its decendants we'd be on progression to level par in no time.



Religion plays a BIG part in the suppresion of Africa and its descendants

naw I'm joking...

Africa had religions for most of it's history. In Africa certain trial religions may have been replaced by Islam, but suppression and oppression existed prior to any Abrahamic religion.

Also Islam is a belief and moral system. It's not a way for blacks to stop trying. It's not like black muslims in American haven't popped shyt off or saved tons of black men and families. Assata Shakur wasn't a sell out or anything like that. She is an important figure in black revolutionary ideology.. I'm going to go out on a limb and say she's been more influential to our communities than u have.

Also, lol where do you think Fakkarkan learned everything he knows. He regurgitates Malcolm x. Louis x was mentored, cared for and taught by X, until Malcolm left the nation. Louis X didn't change shyt.. and he also learned how to dodge the "forces that be" from Malcolm x. The education the land, the militant behavior.. the swag.. all that is from Malcolm.. and the lessons learned from watching past leaders shot up was learned as well. The Final call news paper is like Muhammad Speaks that X created. Michael Fitzpatrick aka FBI informant was part of the plot to assassinate Farrakhan. You don't know what law enforcement has entered NOI mosque in the past to harass and suppress. .. you don't know the phone and internet surveillance that noi minsters are still under.

The Black Panther Party wasn't against all the shyt you're against. Some of them were because the followed and worshiped Karl Marx... but they had a 10 point program and on point 9 it's judge by you're peers, peers being a person from a similar economic, social, religious, geographical, environmental, historical and racial background.

You made a thread about of the goats- Thomas Sankara. Are you trying to say he was "in place", not recognizing "straight facts" or c00ning it up? He wasn't a Muslim... but he dropped madd hadiths and words from the Quran in his speeches.

Anyway, I know all about black people and materialism. that has nothing to do with this. What I do know is that Islam might not save black people, but we do need direction. You can't navigate without guidance. We have none. We also have no unity. It takes more than 1 million men march. Everyone should be making efforts.. during 1995 it was impossible to get 5 black men together to do anything... we answered Farrakhans call then and it would have been better if other black groups and people did a little less dissing of religions and other black groups.. and more time speaking on black families and issues.

we should learn what the enemy of our enemy is...

 

[theworldismine13]

lets be reality about what islam is, islam is like communism in the early 1900's

during that time communism opposed mainstream america and a lot of black people embraced communism because of it, and it was logical, america was against black people, so it made sort of sense for black people to be against mainstream capitalist america, the only problem with that is that history has shown that communism is a garbage ideology and countries that embraced communism were not particularly NOT racist against blacks

i think malcom x and muhammad ali and black muslims fell into the same trap, they embrace islam more out of sense of going against american christianity, and they did not do their due diligence, because due diligence would have shown the centuries of slavery and genocide committed by muslims that rivaled the slavery and genocide by christians

there is no way in hell islam can be the black man's religion or be a real alternative to christianity in terms of geo politics

if a person embraces islam for personal reasons i think thats fine, when they start mixing politics and specifically racial politics with it, its a serious mistake because history will and has shown that islam is devil religion

no disrespect but looking back its obvious that muhammad ali is a clown for trading one slave master's name for another slave master's name, and malcom x obviously did not study the history of africa in islam

 

[Blackking]

lets be reality about what islam is, islam is like communism in the early 1900's

during that time communism opposed mainstream america and a lot of black people embraced communism because of it, and it was logical, america was against black people, so it made sort of sense for black people to be against mainstream capitalist america, the only problem with that is that history has shown that communism is a garbage ideology and countries that embraced communism were not particularly NOT racist against blacks

i think malcom x and muhammad ali and black muslims fell into the same trap, they embrace islam more out of sense of going against american christianity, and they did not do their due diligence, because due diligence would have shown the centuries of slavery and genocide committed by muslims that rivaled the slavery and genocide by christians

there is no way in hell islam can be the black man's religion or be real alternative to christianity in terms of geo politics

if a person embraces islam for personal reasons i think thats fine, when they start mixing politics and specifically racial politics with it, its a serious mistake because history will and has shown that islam is devil religion

no disrespect but looking back its obvious that muhammad ali is clown for trading one slave master's name for another slave master's name, and malcom x obviously did not study the history of africa in islam

Islam isn't meant to exclude different races and ethnicity. And I think that most posters would assume that Muhammad Ali and Malcolm X - were more important for our communities than some random c00n on the internet with a lack of understand of virtually every social topic could ever be.

 

[theworldismine13]

Islam isn't meant to exclude different races and ethnicity. And I think that most posters would assume that Muhammad Ali and Malcolm X - were more important for our communities than some random c00n on the internet with a lack of understand of virtually every social topic could ever be.

i dont even know what this post means but the history of islamic slavery, genocide and imperialism is written in the history books and it rivals the history of slavery, genocide and imperialism of white christians, that is just a historical fact

so its absurd to embrace islam because you think islam is against slavery, genocide and imperialism

as a matter of individual freedom and individual spirituality i think its fine for anybody to embrace islam, the problem is when you try to put it in racial terms, that is where the wheels come off

 

[Blackking]

i dont even know what this post means but the history of islamic slavery, genocide and imperialism is written in the history books and it rivals the history of slavery, genocide and imperialism of white christians, that is just a historical fact

so its absurd to embrace islam because you think islam is against slavery, genocide and imperialism

as a matter of individual freedom and individual spirituality i think its fine for anybody to embrace islam, the problem is when you try to put it in racial terms, that is where the wheels come off

in my op.. i didn't say religion of black people. Take note. I never mention black and islam in the same sentence unless someone pokes and pulls that convo out of me. Islam is just a concept.

 

[theworldismine13]

in my op.. i didn't say religion of black people. Take note. I never mention black and islam in the same sentence unless someone pokes and pulls that convo out of me. Islam is just a concept.

wtf? you just made a whole post saying islam is the way to unify black people and also my point is also a critique of NOI, muhammad ali and malcolm x

 

[Blackking]

wtf? you just made a whole post saying islam is the way to unify black people and also my point is also a critique of NOI, muhammad ali and malcolm x

i was making a response post.... so someone who wasn't you. and I never said Islam is the way to unify black people. IF I did you should quote it.

 

[NubianVitruvian]

I'm not saying that you should believe in genetic memory or that 'nurture' doesn't play the major role in development......

but I'm not sure what you mean by the Essence.. dirt??

Nature plays a huge role as well. Instincts are genetically hard wired into our brains. Let say that humans invented religion in antiquity.. the reason we will never let it go is because evolutionary responses of prior populations have determined the shyt is the way to go for our social advancement... And humans being probably the most social of all animals, meaning society has shaped us as much as environmental factors. You can have a house pet.. and he will walk around his sleeping environment a few times before sleeping because in the past that animal's species had to flatten out grass in shyt. You give off involuntary signals and facial expressions in all sorts of situations whether you want to or not. Even things that are 'learned on the blank slate' are effected by our minds which is connected to (or is) the brain and that is def not a blank slate. A goose will follow you around forever if your face is the one it sees when it's hatched because past genetics and environmental circumstances has prewired it to follow that animal- because that must be the mother aka best chance at survival.


Anyway, like I mentioned to whatshisface the end destination is the goal.. the vehicle to get there isn't as important as long as we get their together.

Essence as in nature or spirit.

Yes, during life we become much more complex than maybe we even understand, (definitely much more than others understand us, am I right?) but I always stick to Nature or "what God made" as my guide to life. If humans put hands on it, I advance with extreme prejudice before I accept or even consider it.

And humans are so advanced I think we've gotten a little too big for our britches. We control our environment yes, but nature? No. Case and point, what happened in Toronto recently. After all that rain, the newspaper says Tdot's long term debt is now 800M 'under' our Lord and Friend, Ford.

In the end we are all parts of the whole. Can Mayor Ford subdue and 800M deficit? No, can the next Mayor do it? No. Can Toronto, as a city do it? Yes. But it is up to the individuals to work as a team, from now, until the reduction of the deficit to defeat it.

Same with "religion" and "peace". Words are very powerful in that they create the mental architecture, with which we create our "Environment". The Key is to Balance. Nature (the planet, our humanity) and Nurture (Our humanity, what we create). "Religion" as system of beliefs, or as I see it, A SCHOOL of Thought, were one learns interpretations of Nature, Spirit, Existence. All religions have insights into the bigger picture, but we get caught up on these rules which govern that school of thought.
What is acceptable in one religion, is not acceptable in other. That is human nature. The age of consent in North America, differs from the one in Brazil.

I must include science as a religion, as it doesn't have ALL the answers, but is an exploration of our physical universe. Science has proven not to be the "be all, and end all" of all human questions, or of how to conduct life.

Personally I try not to adhere to any religion, belief, truth, quote, ANYTHING.
You don't need to put a name on what or how I believe is, that defeats the purpose. So yeah, Islam is the religion of peace? The Gihad is a spiritual War. It is about winning your enemies over, spiritually letting them join your PEACE. A true warrior fights for peace, this means war is his LAST resort. He will fight through education, example, through living a life of peace itself.
The same way they say you must win a fight mentally first in the UFC.
He will only strike, if necessary.
And then, its best to force the enemy to surrender (FULLY convert to your side, mind and BODY intact)

I get what your saying about Muslims being misguided, but actual, physical war is part of that religion. THAT doesn't sound like a religion of Peace to me. Granted, I'd defend me and mine, but a good offence is a good defence, IMO.


blah blah blah, life is about learning how to live, no matter how YOU do it, Someone does it differently. There are external rules and laws of life and the universe that humans use to conduct behaviour between me and you. Like the 10 Commandments, the Golden Rule, the Qura'an (sp?) or random philosophy quotes on the internet. In the end, it all comes back to Man, and man comes back to God, Nature, Spirit, The Universe. As Lord Quas says "stop keeping it real, and just start keeping it right"

 

[theworldismine13]

i was making a response post.... so someone who wasn't you. and I never said Islam is the way to unify black people. IF I did you should quote it.

i didnt say you said islam was the only way to unify black people, what i said is that you suggested islam as a way to unify black people, so i would include that suggestion in my critique of NOI, malcolm x and muhammad ali who also put their embrace of an arab religion in racial terms

 

[Shogun]

Not at all.. Just saying the things that I've mentioned in the OP.


If me and my people believe in worshiping Jupiter and we have a culture that is centered around that; When I want to expand, or want new territory, or defend an attack by a neighboring nation..... you could say that not only our worship of Jupiter is what sparked the violence but also that us having a holiday worshiping the all the sun like stars in far away Galaxies are also to blame. We can then say when the conquered people abide by the timeless concept of get down or lay down, that these conquest were the spread of Jupiter lover movements.

Or we can see things for what they are.

Agreed, I think my stance on Islam is similar to my stance of all religions. They are man-made doctrines which can be used for both positive and negative outcomes. The vast majority of the time religions are used for positivity, but that doesn't make it ok to ignore or marginalize the negativity either.

As your example suggests, when religion becomes a driving force behind a political sovereignty then the motivations of the sovereign become justified by religion. For example, the Jupiter worshipers really just want more territory/resources, but since they use their Jupiter worship as a unifier they make the claim that Jupiter wants them to invade their "evil" neighbor.

This happens throughout history. It doesn't mean the religion is evil, it just means that its a man made doctrine susceptible to man made vices.

Islam is interesting because its one of the few major religion to become attached to a political entity almost immediately upon its inception.

Ultimately, Islam is no different then any other religion. When used in positive ways it is positive. When used in negative ways it is negative. Both need to be considered in proper characterization.

in my opinion, of course.

 

[Blackking]

Essence as in nature or spirit.

Yes, during life we become much more complex than maybe we even understand, (definitely much more than others understand us, am I right?) but I always stick to Nature or "what God made" as my guide to life. If humans put hands on it, I advance with extreme prejudice before I accept or even consider it.

And humans are so advanced I think we've gotten a little too big for our britches. We control our environment yes, but nature? No. Case and point, what happened in Toronto recently. After all that rain, the newspaper says Tdot's long term debt is now 800M 'under' our Lord and Friend, Ford.

In the end we are all parts of the whole. Can Mayor Ford subdue and 800M deficit? No, can the next Mayor do it? No. Can Toronto, as a city do it? Yes. But it is up to the individuals to work as a team, from now, until the reduction of the deficit to defeat it.

Same with "religion" and "peace". Words are very powerful in that they create the mental architecture, with which we create our "Environment". The Key is to Balance. Nature (the planet, our humanity) and Nurture (Our humanity, what we create). "Religion" as system of beliefs, or as I see it, A SCHOOL of Thought, were one learns interpretations of Nature, Spirit, Existence. All religions have insights into the bigger picture, but we get caught up on these rules which govern that school of thought.
What is acceptable in one religion, is not acceptable in other. That is human nature. The age of consent in North America, differs from the one in Brazil.

I must include science as a religion, as it doesn't have ALL the answers, but is an exploration of our physical universe. Science has proven not to be the "be all, and end all" of all human questions, or of how to conduct life.

Personally I try not to adhere to any religion, belief, truth, quote, ANYTHING.
You don't need to put a name on what or how I believe is, that defeats the purpose. So yeah, Islam is the religion of peace? The Gihad is a spiritual War. It is about winning your enemies over, spiritually letting them join your PEACE. A true warrior fights for peace, this means war is his LAST resort. He will fight through education, example, through living a life of peace itself.
The same way they say you must win a fight mentally first in the UFC.
He will only strike, if necessary.
And then, its best to force the enemy to surrender (FULLY convert to your side, mind and BODY intact)

I get what your saying about Muslims being misguided, but actual, physical war is part of that religion. THAT doesn't sound like a religion of Peace to me. Granted, I'd defend me and mine, but a good offence is a good defence, IMO.


blah blah blah, life is about learning how to live, no matter how YOU do it, Someone does it differently. There are external rules and laws of life and the universe that humans use to conduct behaviour between me and you. Like the 10 Commandments, the Golden Rule, the Qura'an (sp?) or random philosophy quotes on the internet. In the end, it all comes back to Man, and man comes back to God, Nature, Spirit, The Universe. As Lord Quas says "stop keeping it real, and just start keeping it right"

Religion of peace- is only speaking to how individuals practice it and what it brings to their life- and not speaking about what every Islamic group has done in history. Words are powerful.. and Muslims understand this... black people also understand this well... so this is why black Muslims chose the words they do. It's calculated.

I agree about us being so advanced... I've debated that on here with the atheist before.. they think it's anti science. I feel it's a defense of what makes us human beings. Now we want to be transhumanist n shyt.. smh

HL says that there is not such thing as essence - being nature or spirit. That's why I said.. dirt? Dirt is nature and that's what we return to.

War isn't part of Islam. Defense of your beliefs and family is permitted, but war us usually something political- that people of all belief systems partake in for various reasons.