religion of peace, peace

[WaveGang]

i dont even know what this post means but the history of islamic slavery, genocide and imperialism is written in the history books and it rivals the history of slavery, genocide and imperialism of white christians, that is just a historical fact

so its absurd to embrace islam because you think islam is against slavery, genocide and imperialism

as a matter of individual freedom and individual spirituality i think its fine for anybody to embrace islam, the problem is when you try to put it in racial terms, that is where the wheels come off

This is what I'm sayin

This guy is a lost soul

 

[NubianVitruvian]

So they are defending their religion when attacking women and children? That's where me and Islam diverge. Even if Brother Malcolm Himself came back and wanted me to join I would decline. I cannot cosign or condone a group where that behavior is justified or unpunished. Ya'll need to call a group huddle.

 

[NubianVitruvian]

So you never heard of the Black Panther Party?

every organisation that could have "mad a difference" has been taken out by the forces that be. The ones that are left (including leaders) are a side show "in place" to keep us under control. Straight facts

That don't mean we gotta stop trying. shyt

Black people make the less but contribute the most to the economy (think of how materialism is implemented into our culture) I can bring you these facts at request. If we focused solely on Africa and its decendants we'd be on progression to level par in no time.



Religion plays a BIG part in the suppresion of Africa and its descendants

Got any links on African history? I'm particularly interested in Egypt leading up to its first interactions which Greece, what exactly happened between the two cultures and afterwards.

And there's a tribe that worked with iron, made masks and art with them. I forget the name.

 

[Hip-Hop-Bulls]

lets be reality about what islam is, islam is like communism in the early 1900's

during that time communism opposed mainstream america and a lot of black people embraced communism because of it, and it was logical, america was against black people, so it made sort of sense for black people to be against mainstream capitalist america, the only problem with that is that history has shown that communism is a garbage ideology and countries that embraced communism were not particularly NOT racist against blacks

i think malcom x and muhammad ali and black muslims fell into the same trap, they embrace islam more out of sense of going against american christianity, and they did not do their due diligence, because due diligence would have shown the centuries of slavery and genocide committed by muslims that rivaled the slavery and genocide by christians

there is no way in hell islam can be the black man's religion or be a real alternative to christianity in terms of geo politics

if a person embraces islam for personal reasons i think thats fine, when they start mixing politics and specifically racial politics with it, its a serious mistake because history will and has shown that islam is devil religion

no disrespect but looking back its obvious that muhammad ali is a clown for trading one slave master's name for another slave master's name, and malcom x obviously did not study the history of africa in islam

Problem no. 13 of the NOI's problem book

After learning Mathematics, which is Islam, and Islam is Mathematics, it stands true. You can always prove it at no limit of time. Then you must learn to use it and secure some benefit while you are living, that is- luxury, money, good homes, friendship in all walks of life.

Sit yourself in Heaven at once! This is the greatest Desire of your Brother and Teachers.

Now you must speak the language so you can use your Mathematical Theology in the proper Term - otherwise you will not be successful unless you do speak well, for she knows all about you.

The NOI wasn't founded simply to go against christianity. It was founded because it dealt with the truth.

30:30 of the quran says:

so set thy face for religion, being upright, the nature ,ade by Allah in which he created men. There is no altering Allah's creation. That is the right religion - but most people know not

Religion is not natural, Islam is though, it's a natural way of life because like it said in the problem book, Islam is mathematics and the laws of the universe is....mathematics, which cannot be altered. Cause & effect. Based on how someone uses mathematics determines their reward or penalty for their actions but most people know not and look to religion for guidance(not bashing religion).

The NOI was on point ever since started. It laid out the foundation with it's teachings found in the supreme wisdom, Elijah conveyed it to the religious people and then Father Allah when he founded the 5% nation in 1964, brought the math to the table. Now there is no more light to be given.

It wasn't silly at all for Malcolm or Muhammad Ali to get involved with Islam, because Islam does not belong to arabs or the so called middle east or muslims. If someone can gain from a religion who are we to tell them they shouldn't? You're steady looking at the worst part of Islam instead of the best part trying to change people's view to how you see it, when all you are doing is invading. Some people can't be saved. That's the reality.

And no Islam is not a devil religion. The devil is a man, not a religion. There's bad people in every group. Are they all devil groups??? And then there's the point I stated earlier, in that Islam is a way of life not a religion so it can't be a "devil religion".

PEACE

 

[theworldismine13]

Problem no. 13 of the NOI's problem book



The NOI wasn't founded simply to go against christianity. It was founded because it dealt with the truth.

30:30 of the quran says:



Religion is not natural, Islam is though, it's a natural way of life because like it said in the problem book, Islam is mathematics and the laws of the universe is....mathematics, which cannot be altered. Cause & effect. Based on how someone uses mathematics determines their reward or penalty for their actions but most people know not and look to religion for guidance(not bashing religion).

The NOI was on point ever since started. It laid out the foundation with it's teachings found in the supreme wisdom, Elijah conveyed it to the religious people and then Father Allah when he founded the 5% nation in 1964, brought the math to the table. Now there is no more light to be given.

It wasn't silly at all for Malcolm or Muhammad Ali to get involved with Islam, because Islam does not belong to arabs or the so called middle east or muslims. If someone can gain from a religion who are we to tell them they shouldn't? You're steady looking at the worst part of Islam instead of the best part trying to change people's view to how you see it, when all you are doing is invading. Some people can't be saved. That's the reality.

And no Islam is not a devil religion. The devil is a man, not a religion. There's bad people in every group. Are they all devil groups??? And then there's the point I stated earlier, in that Islam is a way of life not a religion so it can't be a "devil religion".

PEACE

i dont really have a response to this because this isnt a response to anything i said, i think any individual should go find spiritually wherever they can find it, if you think islam is the truth, that's fine with me

but my point is two fold 1) NOI, muhammad ali and malcom x have all stated their religion in racial terms and 2) the history of islamic slavery, genocide and imperialism is in the historical record

i think those two facts contradict each other, if you embrace islam or any other religion derived from islam you should embrace it as an individual, i dont think that should have anything to do with the black race

 

[Blackking]

This is what I'm sayin

This guy is a lost soul

Lost souls are people who are either demonic, destructive to their communities, and/or are grossly confused about theology in general.

I'm not sure how old you are but I fully understand your POV because I had that POV when I was about 20 years of age. It's a process and you won't think this way 10 years from now.

I will just say so that you know.. I could have been an agnostic right now and still feel the say way I do about spirituality and black empowerment. I can tell by your dismissive attitude -that you're not really about unity of black people at all, because you diss people and movements- that were about unity regardless of religion/belief and were more beneficial to the community- than you probably ever will be.

NTM, I have real life work to back up everything I feel and say.. do you? I don't work through Islamic groups, i don't even go to a Mosque, by beliefs are personal.... but I very weary of individuals like you because there's a huge difference in dissing this black group, that black group, this religion or some other random belief..... And actually being beneficial to our communities.

 

[Blackking]

i dont really have a response to this because this isnt a response to anything i said, i think any individual should go find spiritually wherever they can find it, if you think islam is the truth, that's fine with me

but my point is two fold 1) NOI, muhammad ali and malcom x have all stated their religion in racial terms and 2) the history of islamic slavery, genocide and imperialism is in the historical record

i think those two facts contradict each other, if you embrace islam or any other religion derived from islam you should embrace it as an individual, i dont think that should have anything to do with the black race

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. You can diss a ton of men who were more beneficial to our communities that you probably ever will be if you like. That's your choice. I'm not gonna get on here and diss MLK simply because he was preaching Christianity 2 sec after Christianity was forced on Slaves. I recognizing things for what they are - and I realize that it's difficult to get people to understand things when they don't full know what they're talking about.

For example, I wouldn't decide to not practice some Congolese religion simply because my people are from the Sudan and long ago the Congo concurred the entire Nile region. That would be idiotic. If that belief is what I felt connected to -then that's what I would practice. Sure there may be some individuals with the same skin color as me that would diss my choice. But I know that these individuals will never do anything beneficial to our communities. I would be able to tell by how they promote the imperialist actions of the current enemies of my people that they are coming from a very manipulative angle in the first place. Actions are more important than simply talking.. but talking is important - and these muthfukkas will never do actions or talking anywhere but on the WWW. In that instance, I would simply regard those people as misinformed, because obviously just because the Congolese wanted to occupy and oppress the Nile region that doesn't mean that whatever random belief system they held at that millisecond in history is indicative and catalytic to those invasions.

Also, I would like to add that you really can't get on here and say what you feel should or shouldn't have to do with the black race. You are the same person who doesn't even like the black race. You only like the elites of the black race when you're too broke to even be considered an elitist. Your an elitist in mentality only. That mentality includes : "lets throw our black American culture.. all aspects of it, and replace it will strictly anglo-saxon rooted cultures. Lets support all imperialism from the West, support Western control and influence in Africa, lets support throwing the majority of black youth in the bushes because they were influenced by urban social economic situations, so developed an compatible culture. Let unrealistically all go to Charter schools and leave the majority of black youth behind... Let's diss our best leaders because most of them weren't atheist. Etc.

 

[WaveGang]

Lost souls are people who are either demonic, destructive to their communities, and/or are grossly confused about theology in general.

I'm not sure how old you are but I fully understand your POV because I had that POV when I was about 20 years of age. It's a process and you won't think this way 10 years from now.

I will just say so that you know.. I could have been an agnostic right now and still feel the say way I do about spirituality and black empowerment. I can tell by your dismissive attitude -that you're not really about unity of black people at all, because you diss people and movements- that were about unity regardless of religion/belief and were more beneficial to the community- than you probably ever will be.

NTM, I have real life work to back up everything I feel and say.. do you? I don't work through Islamic groups, i don't even go to a Mosque, by beliefs are personal.... but I very weary of individuals like you because there's a huge difference in dissing this black group, that black group, this religion or some other random belief..... And actually being beneficial to our communities.

What is this reoccuring stance where black people feel the need to result to "what do you do in your community" during these discussions, It happens so much that it is no coincidence.

FYI I've given speeches, been mentoring youngsters for 3 years now, written journals, involved in Pan Africanism organizations in my society etc etc

And I don't even say the above to sit all high n mighty, I'm far far far from perfect.

Only reason why NOI is still running today is because the white man allows them too, why? it's pretty obvious

OUT OF ALL THE BLACK EMPOWERMENT MOVEMENTS THE WHITE MAN WIPED OUT, WHY THE NOI STILL HERE

Islam is not the way forward for black people, aint nothing given to us by our enslavers the way forward for black people.

WE DON'T NEED THEIR EDUCATION (KNOWLEDGE), WE NEED TO GET OUR OWN EDUCATION (KNOWLEDGE) BACK AND ADD A FEW MORE THINGS INTO THAT CURRICULUM


THE BLACK MAN HAS LOST KNOWLEDGE OF SELF DUE TO NEOCOLONIALISM IMPLEMENTED ON AFRICA AND HER DESCENDANTS

 

[Blackking]

What is this reoccuring stance where black people feel the need to result to "what do you do in your community" during these discussions, It happens so much that it is no coincidence.

FYI I've given speeches, been mentoring youngsters for 3 years now, written journals, involved in Pan Africanism organizations in my society etc etc

And I don't even say the above to sit all high n mighty, I'm far far far from perfect.

Only reason why NOI is still running today is because the white man allows them too, why? it's pretty obvious

OUT OF ALL THE BLACK EMPOWERMENT MOVEMENTS THE WHITE MAN WIPED OUT, WHY THE NOI STILL HERE

Islam is not the way forward for black people, aint nothing given to us by our enslavers the way forward for black people.

WE DON'T NEED THEIR EDUCATION (KNOWLEDGE), WE NEED TO GET OUR OWN EDUCATION (KNOWLEDGE) BACK AND ADD A FEW MORE THINGS INTO THAT CURRICULUM


THE BLACK MAN HAS LOST KNOWLEDGE OF SELF DUE TO NEOCOLONIALISM IMPLEMENTED ON AFRICA AND HER DESCENDANTS

I feel that religion in general started in Africa... and most people who talk shyt don't do shyt.. Even people who say they will... you set something, they don't show up. Also, pan-africans need to update because technology is leaving most of their teachings, and by default, our youth in the dust.

lol and maybe you should check out who were the main black americans telling black americans that we needed to "regain knowledge of self". Many of them were black Muslims and being a Muslim isn't the knowledge that's pushed by black muslims -as the end all be all. Have you listened to Farrakhan last 7 millions speeches?? most of them aren't about Islam - it's about real shyt that you can't deny we need.... aka-action, property, business, history, and morality.

I'm not about dissing all this random shyt anymore like I used to be, and eventually you all wont be on that either.

Anyway, I can't really hate on most abrahamic religions anyway because the parts of Africa where my fam is from- is in the areas that helped shape all three religions. I didn't go hard when I was an atheist either. I was an atheist upon my first post on SOHH ,didn't become religious until after that... so it's not like I'm 1 tracked minded about the shyt. ntm damn near all the 'african tribal mystic religions' in the area where we are from- voluntarily converted and fused the religion and other beliefs with what already existed there. So I'm not gonna go hard at it like my people weren't already on a version of it before the imperialism. I'm lucky enough to have a close to a complete track of my people back in Africa.. and even the court cases selling my people here like property. so I practice beliefs solely based on the enrichment it brings to my life and family. So you should know who you're speaking to... because if I go 'home' they are on some Sufism oral tradition african version of some shyt that happened before imperialism. How exactly is that not closer to knowledge of self than being over here in America dissing the leaders that have opened up the minds of more black men here than any other group?

The important thing to get from a man like Malcolm X isn't that he was a leader and was a ride or die for our people..... it's that through knowledge of self (however you deliver it) can save us. That dude was destructive before the NOI, you should analyst that situation a bit closer. He didn't go to the noi to learn more about the Qur'an, he went to learn about why he shouldn't hate himself and how his people were lost.

Not having knowledge of self is the reason why we diss all the things that our oppressors have pushed back onto us... instead of realizing that it's just repacked versions of our original shyt. We are so concerned with doing things like dissing 'white jesus' meanwhile we ignore the ancient African goddesses that spawn that belief system in the first black. I'm just saying..... it's sorta the reason Muslims say peace.. and why some of our black revolutionaries in America subscribe to the practice of it.. Not because they are force to convert.. they chose it.. because Negativity, contradictions, dissing everything, disunity, and internal conflict - are all the opposite of Peace and positivity allows you to truly exam things for what they are.

 

[sfgiants]

 

[Blackking]

Nelson Mandela is a Christian?... damn what a c00n... take that nikka off life support

-HL

 

[50CentStan]

Looks like a bunch of demons across the world are jealous Islam is the truth and have started up fights. But in the end Islam will prevail, since it is the will of God

 

[Blackking]

Thomas Sankara quoted the Qur'an! Land of the Upright men... more like the land of the downright c00ns.

-Higher Learning

 

[Blackking]

JoAnne Byron changed her name to Assata Shakur - an african name and hung out with Muslims...

Says that she left the black panther party and disassociated with pan-african groups because of their "lack of full understanding of African History"!!!

Now she's on some FBI most wanted list that filled with Muslims... stupid c00n.

What a lost ass b1tch. You can't trust a rat hoe who gets knocked up while in prision anyway.... smfh.

-HL

 

[Blackking]

Mumia Abu-Jamal aka biggest c00n of all. Not only was he cool w some Muslim revolutionaries.. he changed his name to Mumia.. that some Kenyan aka c00n ass christian nation shyt. Then he converted to Islam, SMDH. It's people like him that are the most lost and do nothing for our people. Who cares if he studied African History extensively.. and was willing to die for black empowerment. he converted to Islam == c00n ass sambo.

black power my ass... dude was a black panther LT. at 15 years old.. that means we need to erase black power c00n movements out of our history completely i guess.

-HL
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