Reza Aslan rebuts Bill Maher about Islam

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Lol @ this thread... as soon as the attention whore blowhard Napoleon leaves, there are interesting opinions from both sides and the thread becomes a discussion. Ban him from HL
Dude's fits are unbearable. Raging all over the place for no reason :why:

EXACTLY... I don't really give a shyt about theological arguments against Islam... that comes with the territory... but these thinly veiled racist jabs against Arabs and other Muslims from Maher, who excuses baby killing on his show, are completely indefensible. How can you on the one hand hate Islam yet support a place called the Jewish State that is stealing land based on their own interpretations of religious texts (among other reasons)? What kind of Atheist would have Netanyahu on the show to spout his religious nonsense and give him a complete and total handjob? He is a fukking dweeb without a shred of nuance. The same bumbling oaf who gave a million dollars to Obama. He embarrassed himself that day in my eyes. He hasn't even levied a reasonable criticism at Obama other than "he isn't dictatorial enough"
Let's also not forget his weird using Wayne Brady to evaluate Obama's blackness. I'm not black but that's some foul, worst kind of paternalist cac shyt. Maher is an unabashed overbearing sexist, racist, zionist, ableist dikkhead and there's no reason to be listening to him in 2014. He used to be kinda funny when he made his bread off bashing the bush administration but now he feels like a vestigial organ of the 00s. The Joe Budden of political comedy. fukk bill maher and anyone who love him

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Lol @ this thread... as soon as the attention whore blowhard Napoleon leaves, there are interesting opinions from both sides and the thread becomes a discussion. Ban him from HL
Yup. Notice during that futile back and forth with him not once did I even say I agreed with Aslan. Anybody familiar with my posting history knows I have some issues with some of the things he said. But I respect his stance and thinks he makes some good points.

Napoleon 1 starred the thread, and repeatedly badgered me, even though I was blowing him off because he wasn't even addressing the point of contention at hand, and was just like "Reza Aslan is a p*ssy and Islam sucks balls! heheheheh." Good thing he didn't derail what turned out to be a good thread.

Anyway @Broletariat I don't think Maher hates Arabs as much as he is just an insufferable elitist...which ostensibly results in hating Arabs in a case like this. He's just one of those dikks who tend to value peoples' humanity by how advanced he thinks their "culture" is. He does that with people of all different races. That's part of why he's such a Zionist I'm sure. He talks about how we should support them because they're a liberal democracy, as if that liberal democracy extends to the people of the West Bank and Gaza, African immigrants, etc.
 

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Anyway @Broletariat I don't think Maher hates Arabs as much as he is just an insufferable elitist...which ostensibly results in hating Arabs in a case like this. He's just one of those dikks who tend to value peoples' humanity by how advanced he thinks their "culture" is. He does that with people of all different races. That's part of why he's such a Zionist I'm sure. He talks about how we should support them because they're a liberal democracy, as if that liberal democracy extends to the people of the West Bank and Gaza, African immigrants, etc.

:usure: I agree that he's an elitist dikkhead, but I would say that a part of it is his jewish heritage. You think I don't feel the pull to defend india and bash islam because it's so far removed when i read things on these boards? Those are just some of the natural defensive feelings you get from your upbringing... To an extent. He really goes after arabs a lot. When I watch his show, they're the #2 targets of his critique besides the GOP.

As far as the general stuck up liberal paternalism, I can't say I've seen him go off on more 'regressive' cultures in europe, south america, asia and africa personally. But then again I don't spend that much time watching him in general. When it comes to religion i pretty much just see him take shots at Islam and Christianity.
 

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Dude's fits are unbearable. Raging all over the place for no reason :why:


Let's also not forget his weird using Wayne Brady to evaluate Obama's blackness. I'm not black but that's some foul, worst kind of paternalist cac shyt. Maher is an unabashed overbearing sexist, racist, zionist, ableist dikkhead and there's no reason to be listening to him in 2014. He used to be kinda funny when he made his bread off bashing the bush administration but now he feels like a vestigial organ of the 00s. The Joe Budden of political comedy. fukk bill maher and anyone who love him

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Wow that explains alot. I thought you were a black the whole time.
 

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Lol @ this thread... as soon as the attention whore blowhard Napoleon leaves, there are interesting opinions from both sides and the thread becomes a discussion. Ban him from HL
man gtfoh with this shyt

nikkas are coming at Maher with ad hominems as if we have to play WITH ISLAM with kiddie gloves.

Theres nothing "interesting" thats being overlooked.

Islam is full of dumb shyt and ya'll just wanna play the "well not ALL muslims are bad" game
 

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Napolean you are ruining this thread by going way off topic!

Anyhow, I'm a fan of Reza, I like how he thinks and explains his perspective.
I'm no fan of islam or Christianity, but I enjoy when he's debating.

and this is PRECISELY why I'm in this thread.

No rational person should support anything this subversive and swarmy fukk should have to say.
 

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Aslan definitely used some faulty logic, which he should know better than to use, which makes me think he's being intellectually dishonest. For instance, his argument about female political leaders is disingenuous since that is a product of dynastic politics more than anything else.

HELLO!!!

This is my point.

Dudes in here are too focused on being "nice" instead of understanding that this dude is a high-level muslim apologist.
 

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Yup. Notice during that futile back and forth with him not once did I even say I agreed with Aslan. Anybody familiar with my posting history knows I have some issues with some of the things he said. But I respect his stance and thinks he makes some good points.

Napoleon 1 starred the thread, and repeatedly badgered me, even though I was blowing him off because he wasn't even addressing the point of contention at hand, and was just like "Reza Aslan is a p*ssy and Islam sucks balls! heheheheh." Good thing he didn't derail what turned out to be a good thread.

Anyway @Broletariat I don't think Maher hates Arabs as much as he is just an insufferable elitist...which ostensibly results in hating Arabs in a case like this. He's just one of those dikks who tend to value peoples' humanity by how advanced he thinks their "culture" is. He does that with people of all different races. That's part of why he's such a Zionist I'm sure. He talks about how we should support them because they're a liberal democracy, as if that liberal democracy extends to the people of the West Bank and Gaza, African immigrants, etc.

See, you don't even disagree with me...you're just on this PC bullshyt.

Keep trolling though.
 

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Man stfu. You're making yourself look so stupid right now.

You didn't even address the point of debate at all. All you've said is say "religion is bullshyt" (which I don't even disagree with), and "I don't like Reza Aslan."

You're just using this thread as a tool to vent about how much you detest religion rather than actually discuss the topic. When I see stuff like this I can understand @BarNone 's rule about moving any thread that involves religion to free speech.
To be honest man, it was either that or no religious discussion at all. It was a group decision thing. Most boards don't even allow religious discussion. It was either it goes in FS, or it goes nowhere. I chose FS.

As for Napoleon, at this rate either you, Kritic or Poitier are going to win HL WOAT. If VVD would've asked, I would've booted you from the thread because thread derailment is explicitly against the HL rules. @alybaba good point about the dynasty politics, I hadn't considered that.
 

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:usure: I agree that he's an elitist dikkhead, but I would say that a part of it is his jewish heritage. You think I don't feel the pull to defend india and bash islam because it's so far removed when i read things on these boards? Those are just some of the natural defensive feelings you get from your upbringing... To an extent. He really goes after arabs a lot. When I watch his show, they're the #2 targets of his critique besides the GOP.

As far as the general stuck up liberal paternalism, I can't say I've seen him go off on more 'regressive' cultures in europe, south america, asia and africa personally. But then again I don't spend that much time watching him in general. When it comes to religion i pretty much just see him take shots at Islam and Christianity.
He's half Jewish and he was raised Catholic, I think. I'm not saying his Jewish heritage doesn't inform his Zionism. I'm saying his statements toward people in Arab countries are consistent with his general elitism/cultural imperialism. Obviously Muslims/Arabs are going to get the brunt of an American elitist like him because we're intertwined and in conflict with them in so many ways, as opposed to people from South America, Africa, Asia, etc.

Maher was a big influence on my political leanings, back when I was in my late teens/early 20's in 90/00-whatever before there were all these well-known political sites and blogs, and Politically Incorrect was a public forum for leftist views, so I've followed him for a while. I always noticed he was kind of Wilsonian cultural imperialist. Before the Iraq War run-up during the Bush years, he used to advocate taking out Saddam, and basically going anywhere in the world where there was an oppressive regime and overthrowing them and bringing "democracy."

A lot of his criticism of Islam (or Christianity for that matter in regard to red state evangelicals) overlap somewhat with racism and devaluing of people of "inferior culture." It's easy to blame Islam for x,y, and z going on middle eastern nations, and often Islam can justify a lot of brutal and regressive stuff both in institution and text. But it's not really a holistic argument, and can lead to some stretches in causation, and Maher fails when he makes comments like the FGM stuff. Dawkins and them new atheist dudes are on that tip too. I remember Richard Dawkins was twitter beefing with some dude and made some snide comment about the number of scholars or academic award winners in Europe vs. the middle east. That becomes more than a critique of the religion, and enters the realm of racism/xenophobia/cultural elitism, and any look at history shows humanity if devalued with real world consequences when people have that outlook.

And I think Aslan is glossing over the fact that Islam that serve as a reinforcer, structural framework, and a justification for a lot of fukked up things. We can't just ignore stuff like polls that show many in Muslim nations think apostasy should be punished by death, and say "It's not religion it's culture," as if the two are separable, and religion hasn't form the foundation of the law, and thus the culture in many respects for hundreds of years. But he was sort of in defense mode from Maher's salvo, so I can see why he would focus more on the flaws in Maher's statement.
 

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Rep that shyt ma nikka. Unlike this fukk boy @Napoleon whos ashamed that hes brown.
i remember this nicca napoleon once told/threatened me that's he's blacker than me :dead::russ:



to be precise i think he said he's skin is darker than mine...

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He's half Jewish and he was raised Catholic, I think. I'm not saying his Jewish heritage doesn't inform his Zionism. I'm saying his statements toward people in Arab countries are consistent with his general elitism/cultural imperialism. Obviously Muslims/Arabs are going to get the brunt of an American elitist like him because we're intertwined and in conflict with them in so many ways, as opposed to people from South America, Africa, Asia, etc.

Maher was a big influence on my political leanings, back when I was in my late teens/early 20's in 90/00-whatever before there were all these well-known political sites and blogs, and Politically Incorrect was a public forum for leftist views, so I've followed him for a while. I always noticed he was kind of Wilsonian cultural imperialist. Before the Iraq War run-up during the Bush years, he used to advocate taking out Saddam, and basically going anywhere in the world where there was an oppressive regime and overthrowing them and bringing "democracy."

A lot of his criticism of Islam (or Christianity for that matter in regard to red state evangelicals) overlap somewhat with racism and devaluing of people of "inferior culture." It's easy to blame Islam for x,y, and z going on middle eastern nations, and often Islam can justify a lot of brutal and regressive stuff both in institution and text. But it's not really a holistic argument, and can lead to some stretches in causation, and Maher fails when he makes comments like the FGM stuff. Dawkins and them new atheist dudes are on that tip too. I remember Richard Dawkins was twitter beefing with some dude and made some snide comment about the number of scholars or academic award winners in Europe vs. the middle east. That becomes more than a critique of the religion, and enters the realm of racism/xenophobia/cultural elitism, and any look at history shows humanity if devalued with real world consequences when people have that outlook.

And I think Aslan is glossing over the fact that Islam that serve as a reinforcer, structural framework, and a justification for a lot of fukked up things. We can't just ignore stuff like polls that show many in Muslim nations think apostasy should be punished by death, and say "It's not religion it's culture," as if the two are separable, and religion hasn't form the foundation of the law, and thus the culture in many respects for hundreds of years. But he was sort of in defense mode from Maher's salvo, so I can see why he would focus more on the flaws in Maher's statement.


Yea, to piggy back on the end, it seems Aslan's argument is self-defeating in some ways:

He points towards secular countries with majority Muslim population to contrast against SA or Iran but neglects to mention:

A) Secularism by definition for the most part is political and legal structure that is NOT theological in nature (i.e., people wish to separate the religion's laws, structure and way of life from day-to-day law and justice).

B) There are significant sub-populations in some of those countries that have very Extreme views. It's like I mentioned above with @Ritzy Sharon, depending on how many people feel that way and have power, being a secular country doesn't make it fool proof from religious influence in legislation and justice (The United States and the Conservative Right being a great example of this). When a shooter killer a doctor who performs abortion or Mormon Church role in prop 8, I don't any sane person would argue that religion plays no role in that.

But Maher is a c*nt. I'm in the same boat. At times he'll drop shyt I agree with, but he's a c*nt on a lot of issues.
 

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Thats not what Maher said though :pachaha:

You're responding to something he DID NOT say.

The point is that western society IS VASTLY SUPERIOR (and i'm basically a nihilist here so understand where this is coming from) to whatever bullshyt Islam is kicking or influencing

Western culture is destroying the west. The west would have economically collapsed long ago if they werent flying in million of foreigners. Western culture has created such a low birth rate it is guaranteeing it will have no long term surivival. How can a culture that is wiping itself off the map be superior to anything???? And bill maher is a jew parading as an atheist that wants to destroy islam cuz it threatens isreal and its agenda. Imagine somoene going on tv saying liberals are "soft of jews". Hypocrite
 
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