Richard Sherman on Matthew Stafford’s HOF case

[Shadow King]

BURROW IS IN YR 5
ALLEN IS IN YR 7

IF THEY PLAY 16+ SEASONS
LIKE STAFFORD THEY WILL
HAVE 7 PRO BOWLS.

DEAL WITH IT



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And a bunch of other QBs are in the same stage of their career or younger who will play 16+ years and threaten that notion.

Deal with it.

 

[FTBS]

A lot of teams that should win don't necessarily win. That's what makes the NFL playoffs what it is. Again you can't name anybody worth a damn outside of Calvin and you're using 1 game to talk about 11 years. While also ignoring that the team they lost too was a 12-win Dallas team.

They don't have to be historically bad for his entire tenure, it's the fact that they're a historically poorly-ran team and the difference that Stafford was able to make stands out, regardless of how mediocre it may be in a vacuum.

Alright then. Individual seasons added as another factor. Which means that the team wins you chose to harp on while ignoring everything else I listed doesn't guarantee anything.

Like stats.
Or health.
Or stats/success of the 8-10 other talented QBs in the same conference.

You're welcome.

But it doesn't stand out in the historically inept franchises history. 90s were actually better...like way better...and nobody is calling any those QBs good let alone HOF.

 

[Shadow King]

But it doesn't stand out in the historically inept franchises history. 90s were actually better...like way better...and nobody is calling any those QBs good let alone HOF.

The Detroit Lions went 30 years without a playoff victory. 17 18 of those years had nothing to do with Stafford.

From 2001-08 they posted a 31-97 (.242) record. Nobody you're talking about came to a franchise with that type of stretch.

So yes it does.

 

[SithLawd]

There are some legit arguments against but the amount of pro bowls isn’t one of them

 

[FTBS]

The Detroit Lions went 30 years without a playoff victory. 17 18 of those years had nothing to do with Stafford.

From 2001-08 they posted a 31-97 (.242) record. Nobody you're talking about came to a franchise with that type of stretch.

So yes it does.

Lions didnt start in 01 and I just laid out a superior stretch so no it doesnt .

 

[Shadow King]

Lions didnt start in 01 and I just laid out a superior stretch so no it doesnt .

I didn't say that the Lions started in 2001. The fact that they had that type of stretch speaks to how poorly they were run well before 2001.

You didn't lay out any superior stretch and you can't find any quarterback that you're speaking on who came to a team that terrible for 8 years straight.

Yes, it does. When you can find me a 90s team that needed 8 seasons to win 30 games, I will post a different response. Otherwise this will be copied and pasted.

 

[FTBS]

I didn't say that the Lions started in 2001. The fact that they had that type of stretch speaks to how poorly they were run well before 2001.

You didn't lay out any superior stretch and you can't find any quarterback that you're speaking on who came to a team that terrible for 8 years straight.

Yes, it does. When you can find me a 90s team that needed 8 seasons to win 30 games, I will post a different response. Otherwise this will be copied and pasted.

And yet despite that poor management the 90s was clearly better than Stafford's tenure with a revolving door at QB. The issue here isnt the quality if the Lions franchise...we know it hasnt been great. This thread us about Stafford's HOF candidacy. If you dont make a difference in a decade, with the team bending over backwards for you, in an era where everything is titled towards the QB I think its fair to question if you are a HOF.

 

[Shadow King]

And yet despite that poor management the 90s was clearly better than Stafford's tenure with a revolving door at QB. The issue here isnt the quality if the Lions franchise...we know it hasnt been great. This thread us about Stafford's HOF candidacy. If you dont make a difference in a decade, with the team bending over backwards for you, in an era where everything is titled towards the QB I think its fair to question if you are a HOF.

Having one of the best three or four running backs of all time will do that for you. But we're not talking about running backs.

I've already said in this thread that I think it's unlikely that Stafford gets in the Hall of Fame. The point is that Stafford did in fact make a difference for the Detroit Lions. The floor was simply that low. You're refusing to acknowledge it.

 

[FTBS]

Having one of the best three or four running backs of all time will do that for you. But we're not talking about running backs.

I've already said in this thread that I think it's unlikely that Stafford gets in the Hall of Fame. The point is that Stafford did in fact make a difference for the Detroit Lions. The floor was simply that low. You're refusing to acknowledge it.

The floor for a HOF QB is higher than 4 winning seasons in 12 years, 3 1 and done playoff appearances, and 2 pro bowls regardless of what team he is on. I am talking HOF difference. You wanna say he made more impact than a bad or average QB? Ok but that aint what we talking about.

 

[Shadow King]

The floor for a HOF QB is higher than 4 winning seasons in 12 years, 3 1 and done playoff appearances, and 2 pro bowls regardless of what team he is on. I am talking HOF difference. You wanna say he made more impact than a bad or average QB? Ok but that aint what we talking about.

Again, I've already stated that I don't think Stafford will be in the Hall. The debate that you and I are having is me responding to you shìtting on him for "needing a perfect situation to win", in which the term "win" is very open ended.

There's a planet between the ready to win Rams and the clown show Lions, and I'm pretty confident that on that planet Stafford could win at least one playoff game.

No, not regardless of team. Team culture and management matters.

In 68 seasons after Detroit's championship only 20 have been winning seasons.

Top 3 RB Ever: 5
Stafford: 4
Goff: 3

So 8 winning seasons between 1958-88. Being so poorly run that arguably the GOAT runner retires at 31. Followed by 31 wins in an 8 season stretch to draft Matthew Stafford.

The level of difference that you're expecting could not be made by 99.999% of QBs to ever play an NFL down.

 

[FTBS]

Again, I've already stated that I don't think Stafford will be in the Hall. The debate that you and I are having is me responding to you shìtting on him for "needing a perfect situation to win", in which the term "win" is very open ended.

There's a planet between the ready to win Rams and the clown show Lions, and I'm pretty confident that on that planet Stafford could win at least one playoff game.

No, not regardless of team. Team culture and management matters.

In 68 seasons after Detroit's championship only 20 have been winning seasons.

Top 3 RB Ever: 5
Stafford: 4
Goff: 3

So 8 winning seasons between 1958-88. Being so poorly run that arguably the GOAT runner retires at 31. Followed by 31 wins in an 8 season stretch to draft Matthew Stafford.

The level of difference that you're expecting could not be made by 99.999% of QBs to ever play an NFL down.

Is Goff greater than 99% of QBs to ever play an NFL down? He got playoff wins with the Rams following their own clown show period AND the Lions.

 

[Shadow King]

Is Goff greater than 99% of QBs to ever play an NFL down? He got playoff wins with the Rams following their own clown show period AND the Lions.

You're ignoring everything else that the Detroit Lions have put on that football field by asking this question.

You're not having a serious conversation.

 

[CHICAGO]

There are some legit arguments against but the amount of pro bowls isn’t one of them

2 IN 16 SEASONS
IS DAMN SURE A LEGIT ARGUMENT

RUSS GOT 8 IN 13 YEARS
PLUS A RING AND 2 SB APPEARANCES
YET THERES PLENTY OF PPL
WHO SAY HE ISNT A HOF



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[FTBS]

You're ignoring everything else that the Detroit Lions have put on that football field by asking this question.

You're not having a serious conversation.

I am applying your logic. You keep going on and on about history. The Lions history aint stop Goff from winning multiple playoff games and he aint no top 1% or even HOF.

 

[Shadow King]

I am applying your logic. You keep going on and on about history. The Lions history aint stop Goff from winning multiple playoff games and he aint no top 1% or even HOF.

Ignoring total team construction is not applying my logic