Richard Sherman on Matthew Stafford’s HOF case

[Still Benefited]

If Matt Stafford isn't a Hall of Famer, then it has to be accepted that Kyrie Irving isn't a Basketball Hall of Famer.

You can argue that you cant win a chip with Kyrie as your number one. But that doesnt disqualify you from being an nba hall of famer.

Neither does being a system qb. Unless people believe the system is the reason why your winning as a QB. Im sure Goff would love Stafford to get in. Because that means hes a surefire hall of famer. If Goff has a good season again next year without Ben Johnson,what will people say then?

 

[IsThatBrothaMouzone?]

Stafford is a lock with 2 rings.

With just one ring? It's "iffy" but possible. If he retired today, I'd say his odds are 40/60, maybe 50/50....definitely not a first ballot guy though.

Without the ring....great stats, solid career but no gold jacket.

Goff? He's had more talent, great coaching and great organizational structure around him than 99% of QBs out there. He's on the Dak/Romo tier but with more support around him in both LA and Detroit.

If he goes in, Rivers should go in and a bunch of other good/not great guys would be candidates.

 

[Shadow King]

Stafford is a lock with 2 rings.

With just one ring? It's "iffy" but possible. If he retired today, I'd say his odds are 40/60, maybe 50/50....definitely not a first ballot guy though.

Without the ring....great stats, solid career but no gold jacket.

Goff? He's had more talent, great coaching and great organizational structure around him than 99% of QBs out there. He's on the Dak/Romo tier but with more support around him in both LA and Detroit.

If he goes in, Rivers should go in and a bunch of other good/not great guys would be candidates.

A lock with 2 rings is a little strong. I think he's 30/70 right now and ring 2 would make him 60/40. Lack of APs and Pro Bowls is hurting.

 

[PHamm]

He won a SB in his first season there so yeah I would think he earned recognition at that point and again pro bowls aren't the end all be all and I've already explained why. The Rams obviously didn't think Stafford was an empty calorie score stuffer because they traded Jared Goff (who made 4 pro bowls, guess that means they should've kept him?) for him.

The Rams offense is more about McVay than it is about the QB

 

[PHamm]

Stafford is a lock with 2 rings.

With just one ring? It's "iffy" but possible. If he retired today, I'd say his odds are 40/60, maybe 50/50....definitely not a first ballot guy though.

Without the ring....great stats, solid career but no gold jacket.

Goff? He's had more talent, great coaching and great organizational structure around him than 99% of QBs out there. He's on the Dak/Romo tier but with more support around him in both LA and Detroit.

If he goes in, Rivers should go in and a bunch of other good/not great guys would be candidates.

If Rivers gets in then they need to disband the Hall of Fame altogether.


Are the crackers still trying to force the Jason Witten being a HOFer narrative ?

 

[Shadow King]

If Rivers gets in then they need to disband the Hall of Fame altogether.


Are the crackers still trying to force the Jason Witten being a HOFer narrative ?

Witten is a HOF though...

 

[Trav]

 

[Tribal Outkast]

He’s up there now

 

[murksiderock]

Still undeserving of a bust in Canton.

 

[Cladyclad]

How the fukk u gonna make a all pro when cats


Arod
Brady
Manning
Brees

Are in their prime

You throw 5k and 40tds and you a afterthought lol

 

[jetflyinglimousineriding]

If people don't think Russ getting in why would Stafford be in the conversation before him.

 

[the next guy]

Still undeserving of a bust in Canton.

If he wins again this year, he's going in.

 

[Cladyclad]

Also pro bowls the last 20 years dont mean shyt

Tyler huntley was a pro bowl qb with 658 passing yards 2td 3ints

Also Cam got the last spot his rookie year over Stafford 5k 40td season

Pro bowls dont mean shyt

 

[L $ C]

Still undeserving of a bust in Canton.

semi laughable take at this point

 

[murksiderock]

How the fukk u gonna make a all pro when cats


Arod
Brady
Manning
Brees

Are in their prime

You throw 5k and 40tds and you a afterthought lol

I mean if you aren't a top positional player of your era, you aren't a Hall Of Famer. It ain't these other guys fault that you weren't on their level......or maybe it is.

Stat Padford has played 16 complete seasons in the NFL. Just breaking his career into thirds, if you go first 5 years of his career, 2009-13, who were the Top 5 QBs?

Manning, Brady, Rodgers, Brees were assuredly the Top 4. After that, most people in that era had either Rivers or Roethlisberger rounding out the Top 5...

The middle third of his career, 2014-19. Who were the top guys at his position?

Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Mahomes are the Top 4. And most people in real time had Wilson rounding out the Top 5, possibly still Rivers or Luck. So he wasn't a Top 5 quarterback in the middle of his career...

So now in his latest act, 2020-present, who are the top guys?

Yet again, he's very clearly not in the Top 4, which is Mahomes, Lamar, Allen, Burrow. This is the only "era" or stage of his career he even has a strong argument as Top 5, though there are people who would take Herbert over him, and hell Brady played the first 3 years of this stage of Padford's career, and Padford at no point in life was ever better than Brady, so that's really who #5 of this phase is...

Early in his career, people spoke about Padford, the way they speak about Herbert now, and Padford never really realized the projected ceiling.

He's been on a better team later in the LA chapter of his career, so a whole lot of revisionism has occurred regarding the Detroit era of his career (which wasn't just a footnote, he was there for a dozen fukking years).

Overall I'd say he's had a great career, was able to win a Super Bowl, but he was never that great of a player.....and in the context of this conversation, "great" means Canton-worthy. He was never Canton-level GREAT, for any sustained period of time.

If he wins again this year, he's going in.

He won't.

semi laughable take at this point

See above.