Richard Sherman on Matthew Stafford’s HOF case

[Cladyclad]

I mean if you aren't a top positional player of your era, you aren't a Hall Of Famer. It ain't these other guys fault that you weren't on their level......or maybe it is.

Stat Padford has played 16 complete seasons in the NFL. Just breaking his career into thirds, if you go first 5 years of his career, 2009-13, who were the Top 5 QBs?

Manning, Brady, Rodgers, Brees were assuredly the Top 4. After that, most people in that era had either Rivers or Roethlisberger rounding out the Top 5...

The middle third of his career, 2014-19. Who were the top guys at his position?

Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Mahomes are the Top 4. And most people in real time had Wilson rounding out the Top 5, possibly still Rivers or Luck. So he wasn't a Top 5 quarterback in the middle of his career...

So now in his latest act, 2020-present, who are the top guys?

Yet again, he's very clearly not in the Top 4, which is Mahomes, Lamar, Allen, Burrow. This is the only "era" or stage of his career he even has a strong argument as Top 5, though there are people who would take Herbert over him, and hell Brady played the first 3 years of this stage of Padford's career, and Padford at no point in life was ever better than Brady, so that's really who #5 of this phase is...

Early in his career, people spoke about Padford, the way they speak about Herbert now, and Padford never really realized the projected ceiling.

He's been on a better team later in the LA chapter of his career, so a whole lot of revisionism has occurred regarding the Detroit era of his career (which wasn't just a footnote, he was there for a dozen fukking years).

Overall I'd say he's had a great career, was able to win a Super Bowl, but he was never that great of a player.....and in the context of this conversation, "great" means Canton-worthy. He was never Canton-level GREAT, for any sustained period of time.

He won't.


See above.

He 37 and at the end of his career lol

 

[klientel]

I love Stafford like a cousin but even I’ll admit he’s not going into the HOF. Now if we manage to win again he’s first ballot suddenly. But without that nahhh

 

[Shadow King]

If people don't think Russ getting in why would Stafford be in the conversation before him.

Russ is not a slam dunk but will get it. Stafford also isn't "before" him in the conversation.

 

[AceMan]

If Eli Manning gets in, Stafford WILL get in

 

[Shadow King]

I mean if you aren't a top positional player of your era, you aren't a Hall Of Famer. It ain't these other guys fault that you weren't on their level......or maybe it is.

Stat Padford has played 16 complete seasons in the NFL. Just breaking his career into thirds, if you go first 5 years of his career, 2009-13, who were the Top 5 QBs?

Manning, Brady, Rodgers, Brees were assuredly the Top 4. After that, most people in that era had either Rivers or Roethlisberger rounding out the Top 5...

The middle third of his career, 2014-19. Who were the top guys at his position?

Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Mahomes are the Top 4. And most people in real time had Wilson rounding out the Top 5, possibly still Rivers or Luck. So he wasn't a Top 5 quarterback in the middle of his career...

So now in his latest act, 2020-present, who are the top guys?

Yet again, he's very clearly not in the Top 4, which is Mahomes, Lamar, Allen, Burrow. This is the only "era" or stage of his career he even has a strong argument as Top 5, though there are people who would take Herbert over him, and hell Brady played the first 3 years of this stage of Padford's career, and Padford at no point in life was ever better than Brady, so that's really who #5 of this phase is...

Early in his career, people spoke about Padford, the way they speak about Herbert now, and Padford never really realized the projected ceiling.

He's been on a better team later in the LA chapter of his career, so a whole lot of revisionism has occurred regarding the Detroit era of his career (which wasn't just a footnote, he was there for a dozen fukking years).

Overall I'd say he's had a great career, was able to win a Super Bowl, but he was never that great of a player.....and in the context of this conversation, "great" means Canton-worthy. He was never Canton-level GREAT, for any sustained period of time.

He won't.


See above.

We've had this debate already but I'm gonna get concise with a crossover comparison and say that Stafford is McGrady with a Rocket ring. We judge what he "didn't do" but his peers respect what they know he is.

 

[Da_Eggman]

I think he hates wife so u could see him trying go like like 4 more seasons

 

[yseJ]

I think he gets in.

 

[duckbutta]

Top 10 all time in attempts

Guy who throws the ball almost more than any qb to ever play football throws for 60k

I think every QB on that list is top 10 in attempts

 

[murksiderock]

We've had this debate already but I'm gonna get concise with a crossover comparison and say that Stafford is McGrady with a Rocket ring. We judge what he "didn't do" but his peers respect what they know he is.

100%!

 

[Street Knowledge]

How the fukk u gonna make a all pro when cats


Arod
Brady
Manning
Brees

Are in their prime

You throw 5k and 40tds and you a afterthought lol

He wouldn’t be making all pros in any era lol

 

[jetflyinglimousineriding]

Russ is not a slam dunk but will get it. Stafford also isn't "before" him in the conversation.

The same one making the claim about Stafford (Sherman) is the same person now saying Russ shouldn't make it. Today from their careers I don't see how you can make the argument for Stafford yet try to say Russ shouldn't get in.
Now if Stafford could somehow manage to get an MVP this season i think he gets in.

 

[BrehWyatt]

The same one making the claim about Stafford (Sherman) is the same person now saying Russ shouldn't make it. Today from their careers I don't see how you can make the argument for Stafford yet try to say Russ shouldn't get in.
Now if Stafford could somehow manage to get an MVP this season i think he gets in.

They're both going in.

 

[Tribal Outkast]

The same one making the claim about Stafford (Sherman) is the same person now saying Russ shouldn't make it. Today from their careers I don't see how you can make the argument for Stafford yet try to say Russ shouldn't get in.
Now if Stafford could somehow manage to get an MVP this season i think he gets in.

Stafford murking cats in 2025. He’s definitely getting in.

 

[Shadow King]

The same one making the claim about Stafford (Sherman) is the same person now saying Russ shouldn't make it. Today from their careers I don't see how you can make the argument for Stafford yet try to say Russ shouldn't get in.
Now if Stafford could somehow manage to get an MVP this season i think he gets in.

OP is almost 4 years old and Sherman was saying Stafford shouldn't make it either. If he's changed his mind I'm unaware.

I also said Stafford is not before Russ in consideration, at least not at the time I made the point you're quoting, so I'm not really understanding what you're pushing back on.