Detroit had an elite defense every year?
Calvin is the only name that gets brought up in a decade of Lions football, so yes, garbage.
Richard Sherman on Matthew Stafford’s HOF case
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Calvin is the only name that gets brought up in a decade of Lions football, so yes, garbage.
ROMO WAS BETTER THAN
STAFFORD AND ELI.
HE WONT BE SNIFFING
THE HOF AND NEITHER SHOULD THEY
PRO FOOTBALL HOF
WAS ALWAYS ABOUT THE BEST
OF THE BEST
AND WAS NEVER BASED ON IF YOU WON A SB
This assumes durability every single year and that any of the other QBs (Stroud, Lawrence, Herbert, Tua, Maye) will almost have none.
MAHOMES HAS 6
LAMAR HAS 4
ALLEN HAS 3
BURROW HAS 2
THEYLL ALL HAVE
ATLEAST 7 WHEN ITS
ALL SAID AND DONE
Team success also plays a role and these QBs aren't winning 11+ games every year. It may not seems like it now but one day Pat will lead an old and/or injured Chiefs team to a 8/9 win season. Same for Lamar and others.
The AFC is too QB rich for a bunch of them to rack up 7+ Pro bowls. Mahomes is guaranteed that number, Lamar is likely. The rest are in question.
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the next guy
Superstar
Big Ben
Rivers
Eli
Stafford
Ryan
Palmer
Romo
Rivers and Ben are hall of famers. Eli should be in, you can't tell the story of the league without him.
If Stafford wins a second one, then he should go in.
Rivers
Eli
Stafford
Ryan
Palmer
Romo
Rivers and Ben are hall of famers. Eli should be in, you can't tell the story of the league without him.
If Stafford wins a second one, then he should go in.
ROMO WAS BETTER THAN
STAFFORD AND ELI.
HE WONT BE SNIFFING
THE HOF AND NEITHER SHOULD THEY
PRO FOOTBALL HOF
WAS ALWAYS ABOUT THE BEST
OF THE BEST
AND WAS NEVER BASED ON IF YOU WON A SB
THIS.
Mufukkaz wanna move the goalposts to let everyone in. If you've never been considered the top of your position, stay in the ring of honor for your team
And his last name.
BURROW WON 9 GAMES,
MISSED THE PLAYOFFS
AND MADE THE PRO BOWL THIS SEASON
SO NO THEY WONT HAVE TO WIN
11+ GMS EVERY YEAR.
BlueHeffner
Veteran
My nikka
And Mahomes won 15 games and still didn't make it. So again, nobody in the AFC is guaranteed 7 Pro Bowls other than him and likely Lamar.
BURROW WON 9 GAMES,
MISSED THE PLAYOFFS
AND MADE THE PRO BOWL THIS SEASON
SO NO THEY WONT HAVE TO WIN
11+ GMS EVERY YEAR.
Well for starters a HOF QB and WR shouldn't need an elite D to win one playoff game at some point in almost a decade together.
History aint got nothing to do with right now. Same historically inept franchise was in the NFC chip game last year.
They would have a playoff win if the offense didn't take the 2nd half off. Or maybe if he wasnt throwing oops to 6'10 nikkas when WR were wide open in a winnable game in GB in which Rodgers got hurt and had to leave for some time and they win the division and host a playoff game rather than going to Dallas.
Lions were no better for having him and did all they could to help him out...3 TE in the first rd in a decade.
I didnt say they did for the entire tenure. But the point is they weren't historically bad his whole time there. There were chances and he didnt deliver. What HOF QB goes to a bad team (thats where top picks usually go) for a decade and makes 0 difference? Lions got plenty of 7-9 and 9-7 and making the playoffs and going 0 fer seasons in their history...with decent to average or even worse QBs. So why aint the HOFer fair any better?
MAHOMES DIDNT HAVE
A GREAT INDIVIDUAL SEASON.
I WAS POINTING OUT THAT
11+ WINS WASNT A NEEDED FACTOR
THEN YOU CONFIRMED IT
BY POINTING OUT MAHOMES
WON 15 GAMES.
THANKS
At the end of the day, you need to play in a good team.
Stats wise, he’s obviously one of the best to ever do it. But does it matter when
1. You played at the same time as bunch of goats that were better
2. Your team was ass for other reasons than qb
It’s an interesting and hard case. At the same time you have a dude like Eli, who was the definition of mid but had the best defense out and a clutch gene to not be ass in 2-3 playoff games
Stats wise, he’s obviously one of the best to ever do it. But does it matter when
1. You played at the same time as bunch of goats that were better
2. Your team was ass for other reasons than qb
It’s an interesting and hard case. At the same time you have a dude like Eli, who was the definition of mid but had the best defense out and a clutch gene to not be ass in 2-3 playoff games
Read to comprehend not to respond brother
A lot of teams that should win don't necessarily win. That's what makes the NFL playoffs what it is. Again you can't name anybody worth a damn outside of Calvin and you're using 1 game to talk about 11 years. While also ignoring that the team they lost too was a 12-win Dallas team.
They don't have to be historically bad for his entire tenure, it's the fact that they're a historically poorly-ran team and the difference that Stafford was able to make stands out, regardless of how mediocre it may be in a vacuum.
Alright then. Individual seasons added as another factor. Which means that the team wins you chose to harp on while ignoring everything else I listed doesn't guarantee anything.
MAHOMES DIDNT HAVE
A GREAT INDIVIDUAL SEASON.
I WAS POINTING OUT THAT
11+ WINS WASNT A NEEDED FACTOR
THEN YOU CONFIRMED IT
BY POINTING OUT MAHOMES
WON 15 GAMES.
THANKS
Like stats.
Or health.
Or stats/success of the 8-10 other talented QBs in the same conference.
You're welcome.
BURROW IS IN YR 5
ALLEN IS IN YR 7
IF THEY PLAY 16+ SEASONS
LIKE STAFFORD THEY WILL
HAVE 7 PRO BOWLS.
DEAL WITH IT