Rick Ross - Mastermind ethered AGAIN by another review, this time by Needle Drop

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You're caught up in images that White people have sold you. Street cats didn't start respecting Hip Hop until there was money in it. There wasn't money in until White people decided to sell it to you. Regardless of who currently represents your ideal of a Black rapper, being a thug, gangster, pimp, hustler, or stick up kid was never a prerequisite for being part of the Hip Hop community.

Furthermore, street cats were/are instrumental in hip hops growth and sucess. Murder Inc, Death Row, Suave House, No Limit, Cash Money were all created by street cats which built their empires from street money. Lastly, are u white? serious question
 

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Furthermore, street cats were/are instrumental in hip hops growth and sucess. Murder Inc, Death Row, Suave House, No Limit, Cash Money were all created by street cats which built their empires from street money. Lastly, are u white? serious question

Not White. Not capping for Fantano either. When I started out responding to this thread I specifically said I don't listen to any reviewers. He's just some dude giving his opinion. So he doesn't like Ross' album. So what?

Rap and more importantly Hip Hop didn't start with any of those corporations you named. None of those record labels gave birth to Hip Hop. You can't conflate the business of selling rap with the entire culture of Hip Hop.
 

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Not White. Not capping for Fantano either. When I started out responding to this thread I specifically said I don't listen to any reviewers. He's just some dude giving his opinion. So he doesn't like Ross' album. So what?

Rap and more importantly Hip Hop didn't start with any of those corporations you named. None of those record labels gave birth to Hip Hop. You can't conflate the business of selling rap with the entire culture of Hip Hop.
The problem is he didn't even give an opinion. He didn't even review it. He acted like a simpleton, he made a mockery of hip-hop. he gave zero insight as to what he considered good or bad about the album. He mocked the shyt. It's disgusting! Only Ross haters would cosign it. Had he done that for someone they champion the boeard would be up in arms.
 

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ONCE AGAIN! he can have his views and i can have mine. What part of that dont u get? Why do i HAVE to agree with him?

Because he is one of the more respected cac voices in hiphop apparently. Dude has many defenders on this site, hence the rampant c00nery that is so pervasive here.
 

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Mastermind is eh, but this guy is everything bad about pitchfork distilled down into some awkward fukk. The sooner we stop paying attention to him the sooner he will disappear.
 
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If you don't like something, why would you spend the time and effort to really try to understand it?

This has been the issue with white guys from outside of the street culture revviewing urban art for years...

Go back and read some of the mainstream media reviews on movies like Friday before it was released in theaters...The sh1t has a 56 metacritic score...And I'm certain that most of those critics really "know" film like Fantano "knows" music...The issue is, they don't know Black folk.. So why should I care?
White people/media have been clueless on this stuff for decades. I generally don't give the reviews of mainstream publications much weight.
That's definitely the rule. But of course, they're can be exceptions to the rule.
The primary question that got me interested in this thread is whether someone not from the streets can understand street rap enough to be able to do a worthwhile review.
 

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1. You are rarely certain you'll like a particular album. You are more likely to know what you won't like based on the type of music/artist it is. Back to point: Fantano makes reviews for hipsters in his own vein. Those people don't like Ross music in general.

2. Exactly. So you're not an authority on that type of music. Your opinion on a Lil Durk mixtape means very little. It's not made for you & you don't understand. The only value your opinion holds on a Lil Durk mixtape is for people that have similar tastes in music to you. Fantano doesn't have similar opinions to the average Coli poster, or someone that potentially could like the Ross record.

My beef isn't with this one review. I don't even like the Ross album. It's with Fantano and music generalist experts. It's difficult to be.
A knowledgable hip hop fans opinion of a Durk mixtape would hold more weight to me than the opinion of someone who only likes Drill music.
 

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White people/media have been clueless on this stuff for decades. I generally don't give the reviews of mainstream publications much weight.
That's definitely the rule. But of course, they're can be exceptions to the rule.
The primary question that got me interested in this thread is whether someone not from the streets can understand street rap enough to be able to do a worthwhile review.
You don't have to be "from" the streets.. But it helps to have some type of loose association for context..Whether its from friends or family, or just going out into the enviornment and partying with gangsters, going to strip clubs, jook joints etc..I think when you attack certain things from a strickly academic standpoint you often miss the point..Ross makes music for people to front to in their rides during the summer time or listen to at 2 am in the club when you're wildin on kush and pills...To compare him to OB4CL seems to be misguided..

Enviornment matters...Certain songs just don't sound right until you hear them in a strip club then you go.."Okay I get it"...Sitting in a conference room with your laptop and Dre Beats on may not be the experience for every album..But it's usually the enviornment that most of these reviewers digest art in...

The fact that he says what he says about The Migos lets me know he's never been to a hole in the wall club in Decatur, Ga on a summer night...Because whether you like them or not, you could never experience that and question why some people are passionate about them..

Thats why when Ross says he doesn't pay attention to what reviewers say he pays attention to the line wrapped around the venues it has merrit...Thats why I think any reviewer worth his salt should go to clubs and shows of the artist they critique to help them paint a more detailed and accurate depiction...
 

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A white guy giving glowing reviews of a Wu Tang project isn't exactly ground breaking...But I'll check more of his critiques out and try to be open minded..The problem is in the past I've just fundementally disagreed with his opinion on certain projects...

Even some of his glowing reviews on albums I've agreed with (like R.A.P. Music and Run The Jewels) he's seemed to like them for totally different reasons than I did..
I'm not very familiar with Fantano myself. If he has reviews where it's abundantly clear he has no idea what he's talking about, post em.
 

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You don't have to be "from" the streets.. But it helps to have some type of loose association for context..Whether its from friends or family, or just going out into the enviornment and partying with gangsters, going to strip clubs, jook joints etc..I think when you attack certain things from a strickly academic standpoint you often miss the point..Ross makes music for people to front to in their rides during the summer time or listen to at 2 am in the club when you're wildin on kush and pills...To compare him to OB4CL seems to be misguided..

Enviornment matters...Certain songs just don't sound right until you hear them in a strip club then you go.."Okay I get it"...Sitting in a conference room with your laptop and Dre Beats on may not be the experience for every album..But it's usually the enviornment that most of these reviewers digest art in...

The fact that he says what he says about The Migos lets me know he's never been to a hole in the wall club in Decatur, Ga on a summer night...Because whether you like them or not, you could never experience that and question why some people are passionate about them..

Thats why when Ross says he doesn't pay attention to what reviewers say he pays attention to the line wrapped around the venues it has merrit...Thats why I think any reviewer worth his salt should go to clubs and shows of the artist they critique to help them paint a more detailed and accurate depiction...
These are all fair points. Reading up on an artist/genre is great - but experience can be a great teacher as well.
As for environment, again a fair point. But if you need to be in a strip club, or surrounded by devotees, to get a particular artists music, that has to mean that the music lacks substance to some degree?
 

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But if you need to be in a strip club, or surrounded by devotees, to get a particular artists music, that has to mean that the music lacks substance to some degree?
Oh mos def...Saying Ross or Migos lacks substance is a fair point to make.. But it should only be made once..He's 6 albums deep..At this point Fantano should know exactly what he's getting with Ross.. He came in the door with songs like "Hustlin" and "White House".. As a self professed "nerd" lack of substance is something that he's probably going to have distain for..Which is why I take his opinion with a grain of salt.. I know he's coming from a position of bias...
 
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I'm not very familiar with Fantano myself. If he has reviews where it's abundantly clear he has no idea what he's talking about, post em.


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This J. Cole review where he b1tches about his use of the words "f@ggot" and "retard" on some ultra liberal city slicker white guilt steez..This is a perspective by someone that has no knowledge of the history of hip hop culture or barbershop slang...I don't need this level of political correctness from a white guy that listens to hours of music littered with the word "n1gga" without any type of protest..He's not judging the album.. He's making a moral judgement on Cole..

Fukk outta here..



At 10:10 he calls FUKKWITMEUKNOWIGOTIT the worst song on Magna Carter and shows more irrational hate for of all things Ross' flow (which was pitch perfect for a trap beat)..If you have that lack of insight on one of the biggest club/street bangers of the year, it lets ME know not to take your opinion serious on any music of that genre..

Dude is frankly just out of touch with the core audience that a lot of the music he reviews is meant for....
 

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Both those albums are wack. But to say F-witme is the worst song on MCHG is ludicrous. ON consensus that would be top 3, if not the most liked song off that album from the hip-hop public.

He's no Robert Christgau.
 
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