Mr. Somebody
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If there were no sanctions on this nation, how well do you think they would be doing right now.
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Definitely better than they're doing, but still not great. Even without sanctions, Mugabe would still be a greedy despot who was more interested in hoarding wealth for himself than in the welfare of his people, and he would still have damaged the economy with his ridiculous policies, the war in the DRC, etc. Mugabe wants to blame sanctions for all the economic problems, but he's a dishonest demon, friend. Make no mistake. Furthermore, while I obviously think the sanctions are wrong, there's no hope of having the sanctions lifted as long as he does things like rig elections and use murder and intimidation to maintain his position.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Zimbabwe
Mr. Somebody
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Dont the most powerful nations in the world use murder, intimidation, election rigging and monarchies to maintain power, friend.
Dont the most powerful nations in the world use murder, intimidation, election rigging and monarchies to maintain power, friend.
Sure. But what's your point here? That that makes it ok for Mugabe to imitate them? Also, I don't recall the last US election involving the level of murder, rigging, or de facto monarchy in the last election in Zimbabwe, friend. And that's just a side point, really. The main point is that Mugabe has been disastrous for Zimbabwe and would have been even without sanctions.
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How would you know?
Mr. Somebody
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Im just saying you seem naive about how the world is run to take some kind of moral stance on his leadership. Its too bad we wont know how well the nation would do with sanctions. You look at the prosperity of a nation like Germany post ww2 and the sanctions they complied with. On the surface a friend may say *whoa nelly, they're in the money* but more than half of the industry in germany is foreign owned and is also occupied by a foreign nation. Whats the balance between being Owned and self determination, friend. Are you willing to be property of another to avoid the pain of nation building, friend?
Sadly, friend, every nation on the planet is built on blood.
its so demonic, friends.
Im just saying you seem naive about how the world is run to take some kind of moral stance on his leadership. Its too bad we wont know how well the nation would do with sanctions. You look at the prosperity of a nation like Germany post ww2 and the sanctions they complied with. On the surface a friend may say *whoa nelly, they're in the money* but more than half of the industry in germany is foreign owned and is also occupied by a foreign nation. Whats the balance between being Owned and self determination, friend. Are you willing to be property of another to avoid the pain of nation building, friend?
Sadly, friend, every nation on the planet is built on blood.
its so demonic, friends.
We know the country would still not have been great without sanctions, friend. Sanctions didn't make him enter the war. Sanctions didn't make him come up with his ridiculous economic policies. Sanctions didn't make him a dictator.
Mr. Somebody
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In your opinion, how long does it take to build a prosperous nation from nothing.
There's no such thing as "from nothing," friend, and definitely not in this case. Like I said, the economy was doing well right when he came to power, to the extent that the Zimbabwean dollar was worth more than the US dollar. He could have taken that and run with it while continuing intelligent pro-African policies, and Zimbabwe would be flourishing today.
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actually we don't know this to be the case. It seems who have swallowed whole the western propaganda friend.
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What factors contributed to the great economy before he came into power, friend. I mean isnt it obvious why the economy was doing well? Also why are people in this nation still voting for him overwhelmingly if hes so bad for them.
Are you suggesting that sanctions caused him to enter the war, to choose isolationist (which he was going to pursue regardless as he explicitly stated) and other deeply misguided economic policies, aside from purposefully manipulating the economy to suit his own interests, and to become a despot?
The amount of vote manipulation makes it difficult to know how many people actually voted for him. Remember this from the election before the last one: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/jul/04/zimbabwe1
And finally, we both know that people often don't vote in their best interests (poor Republicans, and more generally, pretty much most Americans with our two-party system.) So even if they did vote for him, it wouldn't necessarily mean much.
That about sums it up.
Mr. Somebody
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Why was Mugabe in prison?@The Real kicked so much truth in this thread
. Everything he said was right on the money.
It's okay to resist imperialism while realizing Mugabe is a murdering, thieving, piece of shyt who doesn't give two licks about Zimbabwe, friends.