Robert Mugabe has died at age 95

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Mugabe along with many other Africans fought for African liberation.... he done a lot of good for Africans .....


Unfortunately he suffered from the disease that plagues African leaders by holdong onto power for too long

Yet another leader that tarnished his legacy unfortunately
It's not about how long you hold power, it's what you do with that power that matters. I respect his fight against the whites in Zimbabwe during the Rhodesian bush war. However, he crossed the line with Gukurahundi - Wikipedia
The man was right to take the land but the way he dished it out was shoddy, incompetant and corrupt.
fukk him.
 

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I will simply say RIP to him. He's my brother and I have no right to speak on his country's domestic affairs.
 

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One of the few modern black leaders not too cowardly to tell the truth about white people publicly. RIP.
 

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RIP for what? He left Zimbabwe worse than it was prior to him taking power. He looted uncounted billions and ravaged their economy. He's the poster child of corruption in Africa. He didn't liberate Zimbabwe, he extended their suffering.
 

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Wasn't this guy a terrible leader:patrice: or did I just hear wrong?

Can someone list out the "good" and the "bad" he has done..

The good:

Zimbabweans are probably the most educated Black Africans. Mugabe went hard on education during the first part of his leadership and because of that over 90%+ are literate and many have higher degrees. Their education and entrepreneurship is probably higher than any other Black people in southern Africa and was partially why they were targeted in the first SA xenophobic riots earlier this century

Defeated the White supremacist regime of Ian Smith without destroying the country

Didn't bend easily to foreign pressure. Stuck to the fact Britain was supposed to help buy and distribute White farmer land due to the Lancaster agreement that ended Zimbabwe's war of independence.

A lot of people forget an IMF adjustment plan screwing Zimbabwe in the late 1990s helped sow the seeds of the economic/political instability and the bad turn of the country. Mugabe was culpable but he didn't just go from capable president to nut case overnight.

The bad:

Mugabe was a relatively good leader from 1980-1995 or so and the country grew and was prosperous. The problem is he did not try to let go. If he had not been so power hungry the civil war with the Ndebele probably could have been avoided. He probably should have served 10 years then let Joshua Nkomo (the Ndebele leader; Mugabe was Shona) be president.

Civil war with Ndebele. Sad situation and killed many civilians. However, the Whites in Africa have no room to brag since it wasn't much worse to what they did to each other in the Boer Wars.

Seizing land and giving to cronies. There needed to be land re-distribution but violating constitutional rights including of White farmers and giving it to incompetents hurt the country in a way that was not necessary. Proper planning and execution could have avoided all this.

Economic mismanagement: note the hyperinflation.

Beating down political opponents. Sad but he did not broke any opposition.

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Here's the thing. If Zimbabwe can fix its fiscal problems and get food self-sufficient again, it has the human capital to be a great country.
 

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We caping for Dictators?? :patrice:

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My nikka he wasnt running some sweet ass country like Switzerland where the biggest problem is how to feed the homeless citizens, ya man was in a landlocked country in the midst of a white minority rule, crushing rebellions and fighting white oppression by force in order to liberate his people. Yeah, the West will paint him as a monster, but truthfully every leader in history who ever unified anything had to be particularly brutal to get it done, par for the course really.

Some girls have never seen the doors of a gym, but look fit running from one man to another - Robert Mugabe


If Obama wants me to allow same sex marriage in Zimbabwe, he must come here so I can marry him first - Robert Mugabe


A man of quotes

:russ:

Oh snap I forgot about that!! Another one..

"There is nothing more confounding to a woman than a man who is good in bed but has no money."

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From what I know he wasn't a good leader. Zimbabwe's economy tanked under his rule, and he and his wife especially were extraordinarily corrupt. He was spoiling her with first class shopping trips to Europe's most exclusive fashion and luxury goods stores while his people starved.

But on the other hand I have great respect for how he defied and stuck it to the man. He had no intention of complying with American and British demands, and we should all salute his resistance to imperialism :salute:

Mugabe was no Kwame Nkrumah or Thomas Sankara, that's for sure.

If he had stood down in the mid-90s like a normal leader, he would be remembered as one of the great post-colonial leaders though the Ndebele killings would have probably made that a debatable point. After 1995 is when he let shyt hit the fan to retain power at all costs.
 

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Some of y’all celebrating his life night want to actually go back and research his life. He wasn’t this black folks loving revolutionary y’all seem to believe. It’s out there. Read the leaked SA intel report where it goes extensively into how they can’t trust him since he was on the the take during the war on terrorism and allowed the US to set up interrogation Black sites within the country. I’ve never met anyone from Zim who honestly capes for the guy like AfAm’s.
 

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Some of y’all celebrating his life night want to actually go back and research his life. He wasn’t this black folks loving revolutionary y’all seem to believe. It’s out there. Read the leaked SA intel report where it goes extensively into how they can’t trust him since he was on the the take during the war on terrorism and allowed the US to set up interrogation Black sites within the country. I’ve never met anyone from Zim who honestly capes for the guy like AfAm’s.

Nah we shouldn't worship the man, he did dirt and it's all in plain sight. I know a lot of Zim who hate him but also don't want the Western forced alternative (Tsvingirai) which is why he had some support to keep power.

He was a pan-Africanist though. People forget that troops from Zimbabwe and Angola saved the DRC from being taken over by Rwanda after Mobutu fell. The US (Clinton/Susan Rice) and UK were openly pushing for this to happen to seize DRC resources and bring them into the African Anglophone orbit. Also Zimbabwe arrested and stopped the mercenaries funded by Margaret Thatcher's son as well as a Nigerian born British-Lebanese oil trader from overthrowing the government of Equitorial Guinea. Yeah Nguema is a dictator too and I have ZERO sympathy for him and his stunting kids but he was serious about stopping Western interference in Africa. Sad he was so vicious towards his own people in retaining power.
 
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