Ryan Coogler talks about how he felt guilty trying to connect to Africa instead of his FBA Ancestors - “I only saw my first Cotton Field in 2021”

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Dumbest post in the thread :skip:
It’s pure projection, the same kind of tactics and behavior invented by the same cacs he worships.

For someone with his post history to say that is beyond comical.

Sad thing is you just know this nikka is doing CO!NTELPRO type work all-day and all-night on an online message board for FREE.

No checks, no snacks, no vacations, none of that, just doing the white man’s bidding out of patriotic duty.
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i always tell nikkas pan africanism is branch of white supremacy. it sounds ridiculous but it’s true and it’s why politicians openly campaign and support it
you can argue almost everything is a branch of white supremacy

black americans mocking africans looks like a white supremacist white dream. same for africans looking down on black americans
 

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you can argue almost everything is a branch of white supremacy

black americans mocking africans looks like a white supremacist white dream. same for africans looking down on black americans
black americans not establishing or claiming 400 years of hard work and excellence and instead of prioritizing a place they’ve never been to where some* of the people there descend from those who sold them is 100% white supremacist tactics.

Even how slavery is taught in america as if there weren’t africans complicit in the trade and europeans “kidnapped” all of the africans with no knowledge of the land or languages (which is asinine) gives to the idea that white people are all all powerful and all doing and knowing.

also teaching slavery as a just cotton picking when it was really the emulation of an entire work force with plenty of specialized positions is all white supremacist propaganda.
 

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I really don't like that Cooglers words are being taken out of context. I think he is saying is not cutting off his African roots. But more so finding pride in the what African-Americans have built in this country that has been hostile to us, making lemons out of lemonade, I can respect that.
Pannies see what they want to see. same way there’s a 20 second clip of Africans, Indians and Chinese ancestors dancing in Sinners and they’ll pretend the movie was centered in African spirituality.

Truth is Black Americans have been held hostage by that ideology for a long time and they don’t want to let us go.
 

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black americans not establishing or claiming 400 years of hard work and excellence and instead of prioritizing a place they’ve never been to where some* of the people there descend from those who sold them is 100% white supremacist tactics.

This is too generalizing for me – I don't know too many Black Americans the outright deny Black achievements in America… As long as they know about them.

So if your argument is that Black Americans prioritize learning about Africa over learning what we've done in America, I'd need to literally see data we'd both be just guessing there.

I know some Black Americans that take the time to learn a lot about Africa and try to rediscover the roots. And I know Black Americans that have some idea about Africa but know a lot more about Black American history. It really just varies.

Even how slavery is taught in america as if there weren’t africans complicit in the trade and europeans “kidnapped” all of the africans with no knowledge of the land or languages (which is asinine) gives to the idea that white people are all all powerful and all doing and knowing.

You don't think white supremacist would prefer teaching that Africans knew exactly what they were experiencing in American sold them anyway and therefore Black Americans and Africans shouldn't care about each other at all?

also teaching slavery as a just cotton picking when it was really the emulation of an entire work force with plenty of specialized positions is all white supremacist propaganda.
I actually don't really understand what you mean here
 

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I really don't like that Cooglers words are being taken out of context. I think he is saying is not cutting off his African roots. But more so finding pride in the what African-Americans have built in this country that has been hostile to us, making lemons out of lemonade, I can respect that.
It's everyone outside of him fighting to use him for dueling agendas. It's a very stupid time in humanity. The internet is the worst thing that happened to a lot of people. It's not like edited news. Everyone can cook up and spin narratives to fit their shyt and fools will fall for it. I have no issues with anything he has said. Some people are pretending he is moving away from one thing to another. No such thing has happened just natural growth.
 

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Funny how the acronym crew walked right past this post.
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Anyway, nothing wrong with him reaching that conclusion. I did the same around 15-20 years ago. I actually no lie made a promise to myself and my ancestors that I’d be well-versed in understanding our history, beliefs, culture, etc. because I saw firsthand what happened when we overlooked ourselves.

Years ago most of these kind of conversations were limited to what we now know as the ‘conscious community’. Whether folks want to admit it or not, there was A LOT of self-loathing among African Americans in these circles around not feeling ‘“African enough” within our own culture and in-turn immersing in other cultures of the continent and diaspora as a way to counter that sentiment, which IMO was the wrong approach and a misinterpretation of Pan-Africanism altogether (I could go a whole lot deeper into this but I’d really gotta sit and write about it.).

Long story short, immersing myself in the history of our culture here made me a better Pan-African. The deeper you go in them cotton fields, rice fields, tobacco fields, etc. The more you engage The Blues, the juke joints, etc. you literally can’t deny the African within us.

It looks Ryan is reaching the same understanding…from a true Pan-African perspective.
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All african Americans need to get back to knowing our own history first in this country both good and bad then going to learn about other countries

Yes i want to know about Africa, but hell even at my old age i still don’t know a lot about my ancestors here in America and their fight and their success

Kinda sad hearing a lot of black folks today talk about “ i need to get to italy and france and learn their history “ and we have no idea or don’t even want to know our rich history
 

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That’s not the type of time he’s on. He was describing how he partially arrived at conceptualizing Sinners - and it involved a crazy 24 hours in which he witnessed a cotton field for the first time. Coogler is a proud black american man, but he has pan-african sensibilities. In this very same interview he lists pan-african authors as some of his research points for the movie. In the movie he makes a direct connection to Africa (this is without mentioning how affectionately he speaks of Africa often)

In this interview he - again - makes the direct connection from Africa to Blues in the deep American South:



People are using out of context excerpts and quotes to project onto him :hubie:

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You don't think white supremacist would prefer teaching that Africans knew exactly what they were experiencing in American sold them anyway and therefore Black Americans and Africans shouldn't care about each other at all?
no, because they no the relationship is already futile and they know africans are already tribal WITH each other, their neighbors. Why would they seriously embrace people who have been gone for hundreds of years.
I actually don't really understand what you mean here
Slavery according to white teachings is just a bunch of black people picking cotton. When in reality slavery was the emulation of an entire workforce. If there’s a job, there’s a slave doing it for free.

Teaching it as just cotton picking helps to dehumanize enslaved people and takes away from what the reality of what slavery actually was. A free workforce, free industry, unfettered capitalism with no workers rights and no pay.
 

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no, because they no the relationship is already futile and they know africans are already tribal WITH each other, their neighbors. Why would they seriously embrace people who have been gone for hundreds of years.
Yeah fair enough. There are plenty of anecdotes of Africans embracing Black Americans who visit, but that is not entirely the same as an African nation signing up for the plight of Black Americans in some manner - politically or economically - which is what I'd really like to see. I don't even know what their teaching of Black American history is like in those countries, if it happens at all. They got their own shyt going on and things to learn.

Slavery according to white teachings is just a bunch of black people picking cotton. When in reality slavery was the emulation of an entire workforce. If there’s a job, there’s a slave doing it for free.

Teaching it as just cotton picking helps to dehumanize enslaved people and takes away from what the reality of what slavery actually was. A free workforce, free industry, unfettered capitalism with no workers rights and no pay.

Fair enough too, though I think field slaves and house slaves were outright the most widespread because of what they did and didnt have going on back then. You know others that were popular and go underreported?
 

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Yeah fair enough. There are plenty of anecdotes of Africans embracing Black Americans who visit, but that is not entirely the same as an African nation signing up for the plight of Black Americans in some manner - politically or economically - which is what I'd really like to see. I don't even know what their teaching of Black American history is like in those countries, if it happens at all. They got their own shyt going on and things to learn.



Fair enough too, though I think field slaves and house slaves were outright the most widespread because of what they did and didnt have going on back then. You know others that were popular and go underreported?
It’s no different than today, most in the workforce work menial jobs but there are people who have specialized positions

we were working in the fields but we were also Locksmiths, and Blacksmiths, chefs, fisherman, carpenters, authors, teamsters, stevedores, porters, and dockhands, masons and shoemakers. working in milling and distillery.


Some Blacksmiths
  • David Davis: An enslaved blacksmith known for his resistance and multiple jailings.

  • Allen Jones: A blacksmith who purchased his own freedom and the freedom of his family.

  • George Granger Jr. (Little George): An enslaved blacksmith at Monticello who made various items for the plantation.

  • Isaac Granger Jefferson: A blacksmith at Monticello who gained his freedom and continued practicing his trade

We did a lot
 

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Nobody had issues with anything you claim except when the person who coins FBA says shyt like Africans have started killing FBa false flagging a ethnic war. Saying we spread AIDS to y'all in Atlanta, he has multiple instances of fostering division and hatred.

All that shyt that's always conveniently ignore to say it's about people hating self identity and delineation when it's not. Tariq spent the last few years making AI c00n art that would make the clan blush tagging It FBA... We hate Tariq and his c00n agenda. Don't pretend to get it twisted. It's ok to take that chip off your shoulder. Dude ain't skating for what he has done and it won't be forgotten
Bro before tariq and fba-THATS ALL IT WAS. Thats the actual real gripe. Tariq is just a smokescreen

The very concept of delineation was considered divisive. I was there in the beginning and so were you.

There was a delineation movement right here on the coli that predates tariq,fba,ados or any of that shyt FOR YEARS. You guys were saying the same things back then,that your saying now
 
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