Ryan Coogler: There's a lot of Cross over and love between Irish and Black American Culture.

[Voice of Reason]

It be the same militant fba brehs calling ppl tethers but be wanting to 'Pawg', be Passport bros and claim some cac ancestor from 200 hundred years ago.

I'm calling out Coogler for valorizing Irish cacs and acting like their struggle was like ours

 

[Mister Terrific]

Is that right?

I don’t mean the slavery aspect I mean the system and process of going in genociding the native population, enforcing segregation and setting up large farming estates.

Plantations of Ireland - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Irish Plantation house in Derry, Ireland, remind you of anything?

Yes, the Irish were “indentured servants” just like Black folks in the south after reconstruction were “sharecroppers”. Yes you were technically “free” free to starve or be arrested for vagrancy if you didn’t work, which means you will be imprisoned and subsequently, enslaved.

Vagrancy (Ireland) Act, 1847

The electronic Irish Statute Book (eISB) comprises the Acts of the Oireachtas (Parliament), Statutory Instruments, Legislation Directory, Constitution and a limited number of pre-1922 Acts.

www.irishstatutebook.ie

Black Codes (United States) - Wikipedia

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[Mister Terrific]

The British, French, and Portuguese (Sephardic Jews) were most of the large plantation owners in North America and the Caribbean by a large percentage.

The small Kentucky/Tennessee plantations owned by white Scots-Irish were not giant plantations capable of spreading their masters surname throughout the nation once the slaves were freed.

Try again.

The ancestry of slaveholders in the South was largely people of British ancestry in Virginia, the Carolinas, and Deep South (with Louisiana being an exception) and a mix of English and Scotch-Irish in the northern south (Tennessee, Kentucky) and a mix of all three plus more in Texas. In Louisiana, particularly around New Orleans, it is a bit more complicated, with people of French descent and other ethnic groups owning slaves. I’m not an expert on Louisiana ethnicities, so I’ll leave additional detail to someone with knowledge in that area.

In Texas, folks moved in who were of Scotch-Irish, English, and other ancestries from the US and it’s Territories, owner slaved, and settled there. Some Spanish and Mexicans in the state also owned slaves. It’s important to note slavery’s legality was fluid in Mexico and Mexican Texas in the years before it became a Republic and later a state. (see: Alice Baumgartner, “South to Freedom: Runaway Slaves to Mexico and the Road to Civil War,” Basic Books, 2020.)

Also, in Texas, closer to, and during the American Civil War, you had slaveholders from the Deep South migrating to Texas as war raged close to their homes. Texas was relatively free of armed conflict for much of the war. By 1860, slave owners who originated from a diverse group of states resided in Texas. (See: Ralph A. Wooster, “Notes on Texas Largest Slaveholders, 1860,” Southwestern Historical Quarterly, Vol. 67 No. 1, 1967.”)

In Texas you also had unique slaveholders such as Swante Mangus Swenson who was the first Swedish immigrant to Texas. He later freed his slaves and gave them land. (see: Handbook of Texas; typescript manuscript relating to SM Swenson]. Though there weren’t many, there were some German slaveholders in Texas as well. (See: James Kearney, “Nassau Plantation: The Evolution of a Texas German Slave Plantation, Univ. of North Texas Press, 2011)

Historian unveils Irish heritage of hundreds of slave owners​

A historian who discovered that at least 260 slave owners in South Carolina in the 1800s were Irish-born has said the number is “just the tip of the iceberg”.

Martine Brennan, from Kerry, began researching Ireland’s involvement in the slave trade after a DNA test revealed she had distant African American cousins in South Carolina.

“As I researched more I came across other Irish people who also discovered distant relatives that were African American,” Brennan told The Times yesterday. “It became very evident to me that while some of these relationships may have been consensual where races mixed, many were not as they aged back to the 1800s when a clear power dynamic was at play.”

The African American Irish Diaspora Network, a US-based organisation, estimates that about 38 per cent of African Americans have some Irish ancestry.

In 2020 Brennan began her Enslavement to Citizenship project, which focuses on South Carolina, where 40 per cent of enslaved people brought to America entered the country. The work has so far found 260 Irish-born slave-owners and has involved extensive record searching through images of headstones, archived letters, newspaper obituaries, records of property, auction listings and wills.

Historian unveils Irish heritage of hundreds of slave owners

A historian who discovered that at least 260 slave owners in South Carolina in the 1800s were Irish-born has said the number is “just the tip of the iceberg”.Ma

www.thetimes.com

Better get chat GPT to help you.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

The other bit about the blues being a mixture of Irish musical motifs ?

I think Coogler was going in that direction smh lol

Nothing "Irish" about the Blues...that comes from that generic theory they always say about "African rhythm" meeting "European Harmony" description that they always attempt to apply to various musics in the Americas. Blues actually is based on a system that's OUTSIDE of European norms...










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The music that probably best represents a probable Irish/African (generically British Isles) fusion is the old time fiddle tradition

 

[King_Kamala61]

The ancestry of slaveholders in the South was largely people of British ancestry in Virginia, the Carolinas, and Deep South (with Louisiana being an exception) and a mix of English and Scotch-Irish in the northern south (Tennessee, Kentucky) and a mix of all three plus more in Texas. In Louisiana, particularly around New Orleans, it is a bit more complicated, with people of French descent and other ethnic groups owning slaves. I’m not an expert on Louisiana ethnicities, so I’ll leave additional detail to someone with knowledge in that area.

In Texas, folks moved in who were of Scotch-Irish, English, and other ancestries from the US and it’s Territories, owner slaved, and settled there. Some Spanish and Mexicans in the state also owned slaves. It’s important to note slavery’s legality was fluid in Mexico and Mexican Texas in the years before it became a Republic and later a state. (see: Alice Baumgartner, “South to Freedom: Runaway Slaves to Mexico and the Road to Civil War,” Basic Books, 2020.)

Also, in Texas, closer to, and during the American Civil War, you had slaveholders from the Deep South migrating to Texas as war raged close to their homes. Texas was relatively free of armed conflict for much of the war. By 1860, slave owners who originated from a diverse group of states resided in Texas. (See: Ralph A. Wooster, “Notes on Texas Largest Slaveholders, 1860,” Southwestern Historical Quarterly, Vol. 67 No. 1, 1967.”)

In Texas you also had unique slaveholders such as Swante Mangus Swenson who was the first Swedish immigrant to Texas. He later freed his slaves and gave them land. (see: Handbook of Texas; typescript manuscript relating to SM Swenson]. Though there weren’t many, there were some German slaveholders in Texas as well. (See: James Kearney, “Nassau Plantation: The Evolution of a Texas German Slave Plantation, Univ. of North Texas Press, 2011)





Better get chat GPT to help you.

In Louisiana the Irish didn't own slaves outright (some did, some didnt) allegedly, but they were definitely the overseers and they were brutal.

Idk why Coogler decided to say this silly shyt, especially since he claims he studied the history for his movie.

Dude is a hack and I'm glad he exposed.

 

[nightwing2016]

Myth? There was a slave revolt in carolinas with black slaves and white indentured servants who clicked up and took over.

They declared no more white indentured servitude in america because of it to split them up and stop the revolt.

A fight as old as time.


who do you think fought the southern WASPS? Catholic Irish, italians and poles right off the boat. The union army was made up of immigrants.

Irish/poles/italians were seen as lesser than for ages and even today. Down south wasps hate east coast catholics.

What revolt was that because the only thing similar to what you’re discussing is Bacon’s Rebellion in Virginia and your description of it is inaccurate. Indentured servants did not identify with black people and regularly mistreated them. And that did not end indentured servants, it forced colonists to lean heavier into slavery as it was more cost effective and indentured servants had legal protections that black people didnt.

The only revolt that is memorable in the Carolina’s was Stono and white people were not helping black people murder white people.

 

[Diunx]

The same Irish that flood the police force?

 

[King_Kamala61]

The same Irish that flood the police force?

I told Negroes about Coogler...adding in the Diaspora war in a comic book movie unsolicited, then showcasing sea Mexicans killing Africans and not one Sea Mexican died.

The dude Coogler is a plant by white media execs and I believe it.

 

[tuckgod]

In Louisiana the Irish didn't own slaves outright (some did, some didnt) allegedly, but they were definitely the overseers and they were brutal.

Exactly and last I checked overseers didn’t leave their names to the slaves.

The so called white Irish served the same role they played when they first invaded the British Isles: buffers, managers, mercenaries, overseers, police, for the crown.

The truth is all in this thread and can’t be refuted.

 

[King_Kamala61]

Exactly and last I checked overseers didn’t leave their names to the slaves.

The so called white Irish served the same role they played when they first invaded the British Isles: buffers, managers, mercenaries, overseers, police.

The truth is all in this thread and can’t be refuted.

Yep not all ..I know Deuce McAllister is from Mississippi and his name ain't British so you got some Blacks from descendants of slavery who do have Irish last names that wasn't cause of morally legal unions...but via slavery.

Again as I stated beforehand, the Irish was no friends to Negroes in the south. The way we Louisiana and Southern folk assimilated Corn beef and cabbage into our Soul food cuisine as an added dish. But we don't use potatoes in our corned beef and cabbage. We do add sausages though and serve with cornbread or hot water cornbread.

Either way I was right about Coogler

 

[Kasgoinjail]

bytches not gonna talk about how St Patrick day celebrates the slaughter of black twa people in Ireland?????


I waited 10 pages and didn't see that
Just a lot of talk about Irish surnames and eating blood pudding with ur grits.

Disgrace

 

[tuckgod]

Yep not all ..I know Deuce McAllister is from Mississippi and his name ain't British so you got some Blacks from descendants of slavery who do have Irish last names that wasn't cause of morally legal unions...but via slavery.

Again as I stated beforehand, the Irish was no friends to Negroes in the south. The way we Louisiana and Southern folk assimilated Corn beef and cabbage into our Soul food cuisine as an added dish. But we don't use potatoes in our corned beef and cabbage. We do add sausages though and serve with cornbread or hot water cornbread.

Either way I was right about Coogler

Yeah, we’re fighting two different fights in here but I appreciate the info

I haven’t listened to his quote to see what y’all so mad about, I’m just correcting the tethers that get a kick out of doing the crackers job and reducing our history to being simple derivatives of their little tribes, when in fact, our history is the most diverse out of any other group of people on the planet, and any African relation is a petty footnote.

 

[tuckgod]

bytches not gonna talk about how St Patrick day celebrates the slaughter of black twa people in Ireland?????


I waited 10 pages and didn't see that
Just a lot of talk about Irish surnames and eating blood pudding with ur grits.

Disgrace

We’ve done that to death sis.

Come back on St Patrick’s Day.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

In Louisiana the Irish didn't own slaves outright (some did, some didnt) allegedly, but they were definitely the overseers and they were brutal.

Idk why Coogler decided to say this silly shyt, especially since he claims he studied the history for his movie.

Dude is a hack and I'm glad he exposed.

He didn't get exposed...Coogler isn't TECHNICALLY wrong but clarification needs to be done for one to understand the nuances of the history between the two groups.

 

[King_Kamala61]

He didn't get exposed...Coogler isn't TECHNICALLY wrong but clarification needs to be done for one to understand the nuances of the history between the two groups.

I'm from Louisiana and I never would've fixed my mouth to say no shyt like that which Coogler did.

Y'all boy been exposed man .....look at how he shoe horned the African Diaspora war in a fukkin comic book movie and then displayed Africans getting killed by Sea Mexicans and making the Sea Mexicans ridiculously overpowered.

This dude is a plant....and he will further expose himself as time geaux on. Just like Obama.