School re-opening discussion

[ogc163]

For elementary schools kids, especially black kids who are/were already behind, falling further behind isn’t a short term loss, it’s something that will set them back their entire lives. I’m not going to argue you on how you feel, but it’s shortsighted to bucket this as a short term loss, both for the individual kids and the black community as a whole.

Opening up midway probably doesn't undermine this potential outcome, although I'm open to evidence showing otherwise. Also, we already have evidence of the failures and contagion effects of midway measures in other context. And if we take midway measures and the contagion is on par with the other attempts the downside would be significant, whereas if everything things goes right the potential upside is probably trivial. Thus, given the cost/benefit analysis of the situation it would be best to just close schools.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

For elementary schools kids, especially black kids who are/were already behind, falling further behind isn’t a short term loss, it’s something that will set them back their entire lives. I’m not going to argue you on how you feel, but it’s shortsighted to bucket this as a short term loss, both for the individual kids and the black community as a whole.

Dead Parents/Grandparents Missing a year of school

 

[MeachTheMonster]

California, especially the bay, did all that, again, everything isn’t even open here like it is in SoCal, GA, FL, TX etc. sure the inconsistency across the country doesn’t help, but these spikes are mainly from local populations.

Again don’t matter what individual cities do if travel bans aren’t in place. shyt will just bounce around the country as it’s doing.

y’all can keep asking for a uniform response to this, inclusive of an all 50 state hard core lockdown, but that’s not happening (again) in the US short of full scale military deployment. Some states will probably close this fall depending on how this shakes out, but it’s more a time to convince everyone of the secondary set of protocols needed

That’s the damn problem

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Again don’t matter what individual cities do if travel bans aren’t in place. shyt will just bounce around the country as it’s doing.


That’s the damn problem

Lol @ domestic travel bans. How does that happen? At best you ground all flights, how do you stop driving? I can’t with these unrealistic measures y’all propose, they’re just as wild as the side who want it to be free reign. But this speaks to our polarized society, very few voices bridging the gap these days

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Lol @ domestic travel bans. How does that happen? At best you ground all flights, how do you stop driving? I can’t with these unrealistic measures y’all propose, they’re just as wild as the side who want it to be free reign. But this speaks to our polarized society, very few voices bridging the gap these days

Yes, doing anything that would actually help in the crisis sounds “unrealistic” which is why so many other countries around the world have found a way to beat the virus while Americans die.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Yes, doing anything that would actually help in the crisis sounds “unrealistic” which is why so many other countries around the world have found a way to beat the virus while Americans die.

Ok...you’re right. Let’s focus on solutions that don’t work in the US, that’s the best way to tackle problems, don’t take into account the unique circumstances and nature of your country, govt and citizens.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Ok...you’re right. Let’s focus on solutions that don’t work in the US, that’s the best way to tackle problems, don’t take into account the unique circumstances and nature of your country, govt and citizens.

They do work if you fukking do them.

There’s no reason America can’t lock down the way Europe did other than our leaders won’t do it.

The science on it is clear. How to beat it is clear.

American leadership is dumb, American culture is selfish and ignorant.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

They do work if you fukking do them.

There’s no reason America can’t lock down the way Europe did other than our leaders won’t do it.

The science on it is clear. How to beat it is clear.

American leadership is dumb, American culture is selfish and ignorant.

How do you fully lock down America the same as Europe? The continental US is bigger than pretty much the whole of Europe. Each of those countries locking down is the equivalent of a state (sometimes smaller than a state) locking down.

I’m sure you’ll throw china out there re: size and completely disregard the stark differences of our governments

 

[MeachTheMonster]

How do you fully lock down America the same as Europe? The continental US is bigger than pretty much the whole of Europe. Each of those countries locking down is the equivalent of a state (sometimes smaller than a state) locking down.

I’m sure you’ll throw china out there re: size and completely disregard the stark differences of our governments

Being bigger doesn’t matter.

Logistically it would be easier than Europe being that we are already one country with a unified government.

You are just making excuses for bad decisions.

 

[Poetical Poltergeist]

How do you fully lock down America the same as Europe? The continental US is bigger than pretty much the whole of Europe. Each of those countries locking down is the equivalent of a state (sometimes smaller than a state) locking down.

I’m sure you’ll throw china out there re: size and completely disregard the stark differences of our governments

European Union has a larger pop than the US. It comes down to leadership at this point and we have none.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

European Union has a larger pop than the US. It comes down to leadership at this point and we have none.

Being bigger doesn’t matter.

Logistically it would be easier than Europe being that we are already one country with a unified government.

You are just making excuses for bad decisions.

Each country was responsible for their jurisdiction. The lockdown wasn’t governed by the EU. You close country borders and monitor them, you cannot do that for intra and inter state travel. I’m really looking for the realistic way you stop movement within the US?. It’s not comparable to a bunch of countries agreeing to keep their citizens in/out of one another, we did that with Canada and Mexico (well they did it to us), which is the equivalent of what the EU did to one another.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Each country was responsible for their jurisdiction. The lockdown wasn’t governed by the EU. You close country borders and monitor them, you cannot do that for intra and inter state travel. I’m really looking for the realistic way you stop movement within the US?. It’s not comparable to a bunch of countries agreeing to keep their citizens in/out of or another, we did that with Chanda and Mexico (well they did it to us), which is the equivalent of what the EU did to one another.

You don’t have to worry about individual travel if everything is shut down. A couple cars crossing state/city lines means nothing if the entire country is doing the right thing.

People wouldn’t be going to vacation in Florida if Florida shut shyt down, etc, etc.

Europe didn’t stop it by closing boarders. They stopped it by using lockdowns, social distancing and mask wearing measures.

 

[88m3]

You’re trying so hard and failing here...especially when you clearly showed you’re driven by a selfish motivation of not wanting your wife in class...like I said, easy to call other occupations “essential” but when it hits home, it’s


As for data, tons of articles about kids falling behind, early childhood education and development not being effective online, etc

Research Shows Students Falling Months Behind During Virus Disruptions


And again - no where did I ask what school buses are, lol @ saying walking to school and public trans being how we got to school being privilege. Please stop

I'm really not though it seems to be your critical thinking and reading comprehension if not your own selfish motivations and a sociopathy approaching the levels of @the cac mamba that are at fault.

I pointed out that learning from home is still moving forwards, you immediately jumped into the oppression olympics, and said that I'm privileged despite you not understanding the necessity of school buses. My anecdote was in response to your privilege claim and slight at my grasp for what is actually happening. My wife doesn't currently work in education, she works in another essential field and isn't in a high risk category so you can put that dagger away. lol classy.

Learning can be done more safely from home with fewer risks for everyone, just because something entirely new was undertaken for an unprecedented situation there will be issues that need to be worked out and people can adapt. A lot more can be done to support children learning from home, in NY they've passed executive orders and laws providing broadband and getting funding to put devices in kids hands. What a lot of special needs and at risk children actually need is access to paraprofessionals, social services, and health care. I think this can be done on the state level and should be happening on the federal level but wanting teachers and schools to backstop our societies greatest failures alone is setting ourselves up for an unprecedented disaster and significant deaths.

‘I Don’t Want to Go Back’: Many Teachers Are Fearful and Angry Over Pressure to Return
‘The Second Wave’ of COVID Hits Israel Like a Tsunami
NPR Choice page

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

You don’t have to worry about individual travel if everything is shut down. A couple cars crossing state/city lines means nothing if the entire country is doing the right thing.

People wouldn’t be going to vacation in Florida if Florida shut shyt down, etc, etc.

Europe didn’t stop it by closing boarders. They stopped it by using lockdowns, social distancing and mask wearing measures.

I see lockdowns/closures and the other protocols to prevent spread as two different buckets. Universal lockdowns were never going to work here, not sure why it’s hard for some of y’all to admit that...my point on movement within the US points to just one reason why.

Travel is just one issue, the autonomy of states and the rights of local jurisdictions to govern is another...even within states/cities their is different protocol. Lockdowns were never going to be a blanket thing here, and I’m not convinced they should’ve been, I can see the case for Idaho being like why would we close down when we’re not overrun just because NYC is? If I remember correctly, southern Italy didn’t have the same rules as northern Italy which was getting hammered, we need to stop acting like this shyt was perfect in Europe.

Now I fully agree that Trump/the right’s desire to fight things like masks, capacity limits, and closing certain businesses or venues that lead to crowds in the hundreds to thousands is the issue that needs to be addressed. That’s the middle path IMO, it’s how you say, fine, let’s have some level of function but also be responsible in how we function. That opportunity was missed

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

I'm really not though it seems to be your critical thinking and reading comprehension if not your own selfish motivations and a sociopathy approaching the levels of @the cac mamba that are at fault.

I pointed out that learning from home is still moving forwards, you immediately jumped into the oppression olympics, and said that I'm privileged despite you not understanding the necessity of school buses.

Learning can be done more safely from home with fewer risks for everyone, just because something entirely new was undertaken for an unprecedented situation there will be issues that need to be worked out and people can adapt. A lot more can be done to support children learning from home, in NY they've passed executive orders and laws providing broadband and getting funding to put devices in kids hands. What a lot of special needs and at risk children actually need is access to paraprofessionals, social services, and health care. I think this can be done on the state level and should be happening on the federal level but wanting teachers and schools to backstop our societies greatest failures alone is setting ourselves up for an unprecedented disaster and significant deaths.

‘I Don’t Want to Go Back’: Many Teachers Are Fearful and Angry Over Pressure to Return
‘The Second Wave’ of COVID Hits Israel Like a Tsunami
NPR Choice page

I’m not sure what selfish motivations you’re alluding to, but overall, your thought of putting all these services into individual households requires much more investment, coordination and health risk than pulling those kids to one, or a few, sites. I’m sure the OUSD, as broke and dysfunctional as it is, will certainly find a way to send personnel and tech to the 13% of its kids who are special needs and the 30% who are below the poverty line

sounds like even more of an amazing plan for rural districts which don’t have resources and also have geography working against them