School re-opening discussion

[MeachTheMonster]

I see lockdowns/closures and the other protocols to prevent spread as two different buckets. Universal lockdowns were never going to work here, not sure why it’s hard for some of y’all to admit that...my point on movement within the US points to just one reason why.

“Never gonna work” because they were never enacted.

Not because there’s some logistical issue preventing America from doing it.

We just chose not to because American leadership is incompetent.

Travel is just one issue, the autonomy of states and the rights of local jurisdictions to govern is another...even within states/cities their is different protocol. Lockdowns were never going to be a blanket thing here, and I’m not convinced they should’ve been, I can see the case for Idaho being like why would we close down when we’re not overrun just because NYC is? If I remember correctly, southern Italy didn’t have the same rules as northern Italy which was getting hammered, we need to stop acting like this shyt was perfect in Europe.

This is the patented American ignorance I was talking about.

Idaho would shut down early, so they wouldn’t have a bunch of deaths. Waiting till a bunch of people die, before you start doing something is exactly why America is winning the Rona contest.

Now I fully agree that Trump/the right’s desire to fight things like masks, capacity limits, and closing certain businesses or venues that lead to crowds in the hundreds to thousands is the issue that needs to be addressed. That’s the middle path IMO, it’s how you say, fine, let’s have some level of function but also be responsible in how we function. That opportunity was missed

Any path would take clear and decisive leadership from the top. Can’t mandate masks if there aren’t enough to go around.

Cant contact trace if there aren’t enough tests to go around.

like I said the science on how to beat it is clear. American leadership just failed on all levels.

 

[the cac mamba]

I'm really not though it seems to be your critical thinking and reading comprehension if not your own selfish motivations and a sociopathy approaching the levels of @the cac mamba that are at fault.

I pointed out that learning from home is still moving forwards, you immediately jumped into the oppression olympics, and said that I'm privileged despite you not understanding the necessity of school buses. My anecdote was in response to your privilege claim and slight at my grasp for what is actually happening. My wife doesn't currently work in education, she works in another essential field and isn't in a high risk category so you can put that dagger away. lol classy.

Learning can be done more safely from home with fewer risks for everyone, just because something entirely new was undertaken for an unprecedented situation there will be issues that need to be worked out and people can adapt. A lot more can be done to support children learning from home, in NY they've passed executive orders and laws providing broadband and getting funding to put devices in kids hands. What a lot of special needs and at risk children actually need is access to paraprofessionals, social services, and health care. I think this can be done on the state level and should be happening on the federal level but wanting teachers and schools to backstop our societies greatest failures alone is setting ourselves up for an unprecedented disaster and significant deaths.

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fukk outta here breh. you know goddamn well that she's right about poorer school districts not even being in the same convo as richer ones when it comes to "learning at home"

you must be one of those coastal elites that nap always used to talk about

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

“Never gonna work” because they were never enacted.

Not because there’s some logistical issue preventing America from doing it.

We just chose not to because American leadership is incompetent.


This is the patented American ignorance I was talking about.

Idaho would shut down early, so they wouldn’t have a bunch of deaths. Waiting till a bunch of people die, before you start doing something is exactly why America is winning the Rona contest.


Any path would take clear and decisive leadership from the top. Can’t mandate masks if there aren’t enough to go around.

Cant contact trace if there aren’t enough tests to go around.

like I said the science on how to beat it is clear. American leadership just failed on all levels.

The logistical issue is fukking state’s rights

 

[MeachTheMonster]

The logistical issue is fukking state’s rights

Yes it’s their “right” to let their citizens die and spread the virus outside their own state.

Merican Freedom

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Yes it’s their “right” to let their citizens die and spread the virus outside their own state.

Merican Freedom

Frame it how you want, that’s the underlying issue of why, even if if trump had said everyone needs to close, there wouldn’t not have been a uniform response in how states closed nor how long they closed. keep riding your high horse of mocking ‘merica, that mode of thinking and actions also contributed to the resistance and inconsistency we see now

 

[MeachTheMonster]

fukk outta here breh. you know goddamn well that she's right about poorer school districts not even being in the same convo as richer ones when it comes to "learning at home"

you must be one of those coastal elites that nap always used to talk about

America has the money. Getting the needed resources to the poorer districts should be the priority right now.

But that’s now how America works


Beyond that, sending poor kids back to already run down and unsafe schools while everyone else gets the privilege of distance only would exasperate the problem of inequality.

The “poor kids need to go back to school” argument is dumb on so many levels and just an example of how poor people continually get the short end of the stick even under the guise of trying to help them.

 

[the cac mamba]

America has the money. Getting the needed resources to the poorer districts should be the priority right now.

But that’s now how America works


Beyond that, sending poor kids back to already run down and unsafe schools while everyone else gets the privilege of distance only would exasperate the problem of inequality.

The “poor kids need to go back to school” argument is dumb on so many levels and just an example of how poor people continually get the short end of the stick even under the guise of trying to help them.

i didnt differentiate between anyone going back im not pretending i have the answer to this. its an awful question

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Frame it how you want, that’s the underlying issue of why, even if if trump had said everyone needs to close, there wouldn’t not have been a uniform response in how states closed nor how long they closed. keep riding your high horse of mocking ‘merica, that mode of thinking and actions also contributed to the resistance and inconsistency we see now

The underlying issue is that Americans leadership is OK with dead Americans as long as they keep getting paid and reelected.

The federal government has plenty of rules and mandates when it comes to public health.

“States rights” arguments are almost exclusively used to defend and sanction fukkery. Remember slavery was a “states rights” issue.

Ultimately if the federal government stood up and said shut it down, even if there was pockets of resistance around the country we’d be much better off. Every single city/town/jurisdiction in Europe didn’t follow the exact same plan, but leadership from the top set the tone and made the right moves. You’d have less resistance to lock downs if the people at the top weren’t downplaying the need for them for the first 3 months of the pandemic. And even some still to this day.

America still flailing around like a blueprint hasn’t been set.

 

[88m3]

fukk outta here

Yeah that's not at issue

 

[88m3]

I’m not sure what selfish motivations you’re alluding to, but overall, your thought of putting all these services into individual households requires much more investment, coordination and health risk than pulling those kids to one, or a few, sites. I’m sure the OUSD, as broke and dysfunctional as it is, will certainly find a way to send personnel and tech to the 13% of its kids who are special needs and the 30% who are below the poverty line

sounds like even more of an amazing plan for rural districts which don’t have resources and also have geography working against them

You're arguing for cluster sites during a pandemic

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

You're arguing for cluster sites during a pandemic

Sites where you can control - to the best of your ability - cleanliness, spacing and the people entering seems better than advocating for people to enter in an out the homes of multiple kids throughout the day

 

[Althalucian]

Sites where you can control - to the best of your ability - cleanliness, spacing and the people entering seems better than advocating for people to enter in an out the homes of multiple kids throughout the day

How old are your kids? Mine are preschool and younger. My oldest receives special services from a school though. It's worked out on zoom pretty well considering.

 

[DJ Paul's Arm]

Phoenix announced their school district will start the year with remote learning.

 

[Shogun]

Phoenix announced their school district will start the year with remote learning.

I suspect most will follow suit soon enough.

 

[DJ Paul's Arm]

I suspect most will follow suit soon enough.

They need to. One child or teacher gettin got by this virus and it's a wrap for Trump.