Serious questions about Christianity.

[Thsnnor]

would it not be fair to assume that the most important aspect of the abrahamic faiths is an unnatural fear of not being a christian jew or muslim? thats so ridiculous.. Jesus was a man.. by the sound of it a good man.. but 2000 years later people are clinging to stories written over 1500 years which have little or no validity and wave them about out of an unhealthy fear of christian or whichever god..


your description of allah and god being different is laughable tbh.. the only differences are language and the fact that people who worship god have steadily shat on those who worship allah since the crusades.. so i guess jesus was a fan of crusades and the slave trade? since it brought him to so many new people? do you see how your commitment to everything christian seems ridiculous to people with a soul that dont worship white men?

Actually the biggest fear would have been finding yourself out of favor with God. In the O.T. There were the Jews (no christians yet) who left God, became enslaved and found God again. I think it's recorded as happening over 50 times. The accuracy is not in doubt of the NT.

The Verdict

What can we conclude from this evidence? New Testament specialist Daniel Wallace notes that although there are about 300,000 individual variations of the text of the New Testament, this number is very misleading. Most of the differences are completely inconsequential--spelling errors, inverted phrases and the like. A side by side comparison between the two main text families (the Majority Text and the modern critical text) shows agreement a full 98% of the time.[18]

Of the remaining differences, virtually all yield to vigorous textual criticism. This means that our New Testament is 99.5% textually pure. In the entire text of 20,000 lines, only 40 lines are in doubt (about 400 words), and none affects any significant doctrine.[19]

Greek scholar D.A. Carson sums up this way: "The purity of text is of such a substantial nature that nothing we believe to be true, and nothing we are commanded to do, is in any way jeopardized by the variants."[20]

This issue is no longer contested by non-Christian scholars, and for good reason. Simply put, if we reject the authenticity of the New Testament on textual grounds we'd have to reject every ancient work of antiquity and declare null and void every piece of historical information from written sources prior to the beginning of the second millennium A.D.

Has the New Testament been altered? Critical, academic analysis says it has not.
http://www.str.org/articles/is-the-new-testament-text-reliable#.U7K9WThMXZs

The crusades were between the Catholic Church and Muslims. Not Christians. The big difference between God and allah is God had a son allah didn't. The differences only grow from there. People have over the years used the Bible to advance their own personal agenda. Joseph Smith? David koresh? Jim Jones? Even if people choose not to believe at least know the difference as too not fall for false teaching.

 

[Everythingg]

Jesus did not say that but that doesn't change the fact Enoch, Elijah and possibly Moses were taken to Heaven without dying. It was common knowledge back then they didn't die and they understood the context in which he was referring to.

Jesus did not say that to them though. So how can you just insert them into the passage and say Jesus wastalking about them?

Did Jesus not say He came not to break the law but fulfill it?

He also said before heaven and earth pass, not ONE JOT OR TITTLE should pass from the law till ALL be fulfilled.

Heaven and earth are still here right?

The only way to claim to be older than Abraham was to claim to be God.

So what you're telling me, is that the angel of God that spoke to Moses in Genesis 22 couldnt claimto be older than Abraham? Or even Noah if you want to go to a time period BEFORE Abraham.

John 8:53-59 KJV
Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself? [54] Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God: [55] Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying. [56] Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it , and was glad. [57] Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? [58] Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. [59] Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

Jesus was sentenced to death by the Jews. Through His death we can get salvation through Him. We don't have to do sacrifices anymore and even better the door was opened for gentiles to attain salvation also. I remember a story saying the Jews thought he was going to come on a horse and free them from the Romans and rule over them. Jesus offered spiritual salvation not the physical they wanted.

Did you read the bible front to back before becoming a Christian?

 

[Thsnnor]

Jesus did not say that to them though. So how can you just insert them into the passage and say Jesus wastalking about them?



He also said before heaven and earth pass, not ONE JOT OR TITTLE should pass from the law till ALL be fulfilled.

Heaven and earth are still here right?



So what you're telling me, is that the angel of God that spoke to Moses in Genesis 22 couldnt claimto be older than Abraham? Or even Noah if you want to go to a time period BEFORE Abraham.



Did you read the bible front to back before becoming a Christian?

The Bible is an account from 2000 years ago. They understood what he was saying just as the same reason they believed he was claiming to be God. Which is why he was crucified.

The desolation of abomination can't happen till the Temple is built. Jesus said ALL things. The Temple will be built soon enough especially since they now have the perfect red heifer. Things written about are coming about in today's times.

The angel was delivering a message. According to the Bible angels existed before Adam so I'm not fully understanding your question. Satan was thrown out before Adam and Eve were created so of course angels existed before Abraham.

No I didn't read the Bible front to back before becoming a Christian.

 

[AyahuascaSippin]

why would god tell adam of gold in havilah? What purpose would such a metal provide in such a holy place?

can it not be said that the bible has more to do with creating modern society which services the elite and treats its most honest followers similarly to issachar in genesis 49:15 "rest was good.. land was pleasant.. bowed his shoulders to bare, became a servant unto tribute/submit to forced labour"

Have you ever explored the key elements of the major spiritual beliefs that have been forgotten since the bible started answering everyones questions? for example the allusions to merkaba meditation contained within judaisim? How about the proven fact that humans have a retilian base instinct response system and the fact that some people think everything is answered by jesus, keeps them in this primal state as they have everything they need (a job, bills to pay and god) and in turn people neglect their god given cerebral cortex?

you honestly believe through the guidance of the bible that a nation of apple customers knows more about life and death than civilizations that brought us pyramids, algebra, the written language and 'the spiritual awakening'?

 

[Thsnnor]

why would god tell adam of gold in havilah? What purpose would such a metal provide in such a holy place?

can it not be said that the bible has more to do with creating modern society which services the elite and treats its most honest followers similarly to issachar in genesis 49:15 "rest was good.. land was pleasant.. bowed his shoulders to bare, became a servant unto tribute/submit to forced labour"

Have you ever explored the key elements of the major spiritual beliefs that have been forgotten since the bible started answering everyones questions? for example the allusions to merkaba meditation contained within judaisim? How about the proven fact that humans have a retilian base instinct response system and the fact that some people think everything is answered by jesus, keeps them in this primal state as they have everything they need (a job, bills to pay and god) and in turn people neglect their god given cerebral cortex?

you honestly believe through the guidance of the bible that a nation of apple customers knows more about life and death than civilizations that brought us pyramids, algebra, the written language and 'the spiritual awakening'?

Even though religions of history there is one main difference. In Christianity God comes to us and others we have to reach god. I've heard something to which you are referring but I don't know enough to make a basis on it so I'm not going to front about it. All I know of what you are referring is something about adam, gold, energy, eneki? and large footprints in Africa.

As far as civilizations go don't you think it's interesting that Israel (God's chosen people) is the only nation in the history of earth to be wiped off the face of the earth and return?

 

[AyahuascaSippin]

Even though religions of history there is one main difference. In Christianity God comes to us and others we have to reach god. I've heard something to which you are referring but I don't know enough to make a basis on it so I'm not going to front about it. All I know of what you are referring is something about adam, gold, energy, eneki? and large footprints in Africa.

As far as civilizations go don't you think it's interesting that Israel (God's chosen people) is the only nation in the history of earth to be wiped off the face of the earth and return?

I was gonna steer away from enki and the footprints to keep this conversation more tangible.. its more to do with the implications of 'god' sending man on his first 'job' i suppose.. it doesnt fit in with the divinity we are supposed to associate with such a diety.. as far as the return of israel, it doesnt seem so strange when you consider the rise and fall of egypt, greece, rome and the still standing european/american caliphate which systematically attacked and partitioned arab lands in their conquest to recreate israel.. when you look at the destruction of the native americans, south america turning into a resource farm, and africa damn near returning from death, this israeli/american/british agenda doesnt seem praiseworthy or divine.. more like an act of liberty er i mean lucifer

 

[Everythingg]

The Bible is an account from 2000 years ago. They understood what he was saying just as the same reason they believed he was claiming to be God. Which is why he was crucified.

What Im saying is NOT that they didnt understand him. But the PEOPLE he said it to, tasted death (to our knowledge) before seeing him return. WHY?

The desolation of abomination can't happen till the Temple is built. Jesus said ALL things. The Temple will be built soon enough especially since they now have the perfect red heifer. Things written about are coming about in today's times.

So that didnt already happen in your opinion?

The angel was delivering a message. According to the Bible angels existed before Adam so I'm not fully understanding your question. Satan was thrown out before Adam and Eve were created so of course angels existed before Abraham.

Heres what you said my friend:


"The only way to claim to be older than Abraham was to claim to be God."

So you're now saying that angels could make those claims as well right?

No I didn't read the Bible front to back before becoming a Christian.

Why not? How are you sure you understand the end if not the beginning?

 

[Everythingg]

I was gonna steer away from enki and the footprints to keep this conversation more tangible.. its more to do with the implications of 'god' sending man on his first 'job' i suppose.. it doesnt fit in with the divinity we are supposed to associate with such a diety.. as far as the return of israel, it doesnt seem so strange when you consider the rise and fall of egypt, greece, rome and the still standing european/american caliphate which systematically attacked and partitioned arab lands in their conquest to recreate israel.. when you look at the destruction of the native americans, south america turning into a resource farm, and africa damn near returning from death, this israeli/american/british agenda doesnt seem praiseworthy or divine.. more like an act of liberty er i mean lucifer

Out of all those events you just compared the restoration of Israel to, WHICH ONE(S) were written of hundreds of years( though it was thousands with Israel) before it happened?

 

[Thsnnor]

I was gonna steer away from enki and the footprints to keep this conversation more tangible.. its more to do with the implications of 'god' sending man on his first 'job' i suppose.. it doesnt fit in with the divinity we are supposed to associate with such a diety.. as far as the return of israel, it doesnt seem so strange when you consider the rise and fall of egypt, greece, rome and the still standing european/american caliphate which systematically attacked and partitioned arab lands in their conquest to recreate israel.. when you look at the destruction of the native americans, south america turning into a resource farm, and africa damn near returning from death, this israeli/american/british agenda doesnt seem praiseworthy or divine.. more like an act of liberty er i mean lucifer

There are many wolves in sheep's clothing nowadays. The British government no longer has christianity at its forefront. Roman catholicism is doing OK tho. France is strictly secular. South America is mainly Roman catholic. As far as the world goes America was founded on christianity but the way the government is now even it has been kicked out. So many things going on but very few of it is being done in the name of religion let alone Christianity.

 

[Thsnnor]

What Im saying is NOT that they didnt understand him. But the PEOPLE he said it to, tasted death (to our knowledge) before seeing him return. WHY?




So that didnt already happen in your opinion?




Heres what you said my friend:


"The only way to claim to be older than Abraham was to claim to be God."

So you're now saying that angels could make those claims as well right?




Why not? How are you sure you understand the end if not the beginning?

You took a snippet of what I said but that is cool. My view still stands. Angels are also God's creation and they existed before Adam. They are God's messengers not mailman who proclaim by the way I am older than you.

The Bible can be summed up in one word. Redemption and we have that through Jesus. I know school is about learning but I don't have to go through all the grades before confirming it.

 

[AyahuascaSippin]

Out of all those events you just compared the restoration of Israel to, WHICH ONE(S) were written of hundreds of years( though it was thousands with Israel) before it happened?

thats not the point i was making. I was alluding to current and previous presidents and monarchs being traced back to the knights of malta, knights templar, European aristocracy stemming from the rise and fall of rome.. all of which have been pushed by the same judeo-christian values that have origins in egypt/babylon/sumer.. This isnt some long winded conspiracy theory as burkes peerage would show. So it seems more like a premeditated plan than a prophecy of some sort. I mean what is Israel other than a wealthy and wildly racist sliver of land with a military fit to hijack nations? sounds like a us military base to me

 

[Everythingg]

You took a snippet of what I said but that is cool. My view still stands. Angels are also God's creation and they existed before Adam. They are God's messengers not mailman who proclaim by the way I am older than you.

The Bible can be summed up in one word. Redemption and we have that through Jesus. I know school is about learning but I don't have to go through all the grades before confirming it.

I was just pointing out that Jesus saying he was older than Abraham, does not necessarily mean he was claiming to be God. Especially if he says "the father is greater than I" and "I go back to my God and your God" when speaking to his followers.

You've read Deuteronomy 13 right? As well as 1 John 4:1?

 

[Thsnnor]

I was just pointing out that Jesus saying he was older than Abraham, does not necessarily mean he was claiming to be God. Especially if he says "the father is greater than I" and "I go back to my God and your God" when speaking to his followers.

You've read Deuteronomy 13 right? As well as 1 John 4:1?

Jesus said the father is greater than I because he had human flesh wrapped around Him. Jesus had to eat, drink and sleep in human form. Even in the Trinity God is still higher than Him.

The main issue is the phrasing used. Back then saying the son of God was everywhere. However if you said the son of Man you would get stoned. Jesus also said I AM. The only other time that was referenced was God and Moses at the burning bush. If you said I AM back then you had a stoning coming.

 

[Everythingg]

thats not the point i was making. I was alluding to current and previous presidents and monarchs being traced back to the knights of malta, knights templar, European aristocracy stemming from the rise and fall of rome.. all of which have been pushed by the same judeo-christian values that have origins in egypt/babylon/sumer.. This isnt some long winded conspiracy theory as burkes peerage would show. So it seems more like a premeditated plan than a prophecy of some sort. I mean what is Israel other than a wealthy and wildly racist sliver of land with a military fit to hijack nations? sounds like a us military base to me

I understand that wasnt the point that YOU were making. It was the point I was.

And thats what Israel is like TODAY. But not in the past. And NOT in the future either when they see the US fall. So you dont think thats its of any significance that this nation ceased to exist for thousands of years and then popped up again just as an ancient book dictated it would?

Jesus said the father is greater than I because he had human flesh wrapped around Him. Jesus had to eat, drink and sleep in human form. Even in the Trinity God is still higher than Him.

How come Jesus didnt establish that it was because he was human that he was calling God greater than himself?

The main issue is the phrasing used. Back then saying the son of God was everywhere. However if you said the son of Man you would get stoned. Jesus also said I AM. The only other time that was referenced was God and Moses at the burning bush. If you said I AM back then you had a stoning coming.

But the "old" testament establishes that Israel ARE sons of God, and prophets were often called "son of man". I dont see what the problem would be unless they were unaware of their own texts...

 

[AyahuascaSippin]

I understand that wasnt the point that YOU were making. It was the point I was.

And thats what Israel is like TODAY. But not in the past. And NOT in the future either when they see the US fall. So you dont think thats its of any significance that this nation ceased to exist for thousands of years and then popped up again just as an ancient book dictated it would?

Well it would be good if you understood the points YOU were trying to make.. You wont get any closer to the most high discussing the discrepencies in the words of MEN.. the longer you turn a blind eye to the death, destruction and hatred it took to recreate such a state and continue to credit an ethnicity as the 'children of god' instead of all that is created BY GOD, then the further from truth you will be kept.. You have the audacity to think you can comprehend the creator? you will get about as close as a computer explaining the human conscience..The bible is CLEAR on few things.. Thou shalt not kill is one that seems pretty clear until you think about what these zionists are doing.. idol worship seems to be obviously prohibited until you look at the zionist run media.. Every advantage israel has had in its rebuilding has been more in line with the ideology of a fallen angel than a benevolent being.. but i guess we'll find out whose right on the other side, because if theres one thing that biocentrism has made clear.. the possibility of an afterlife is extremely high