Serious questions about Christianity.

[Everythingg]

Well it would be good if you understood the points YOU were trying to make.. You wont get any closer to the most high discussing the discrepencies in the words of MEN.. the longer you turn a blind eye to the death, destruction and hatred it took to recreate such a state and continue to credit an ethnicity as the 'children of god' instead of all that is created BY GOD, then the further from truth you will be kept.. You have the audacity to think you can comprehend the creator? you will get about as close as a computer explaining the human conscience..The bible is CLEAR on few things.. Thou shalt not kill is one that seems pretty clear until you think about what these zionists are doing.. idol worship seems to be obviously prohibited until you look at the zionist run media.. Every advantage israel has had in its rebuilding has been more in line with the ideology of a fallen angel than a benevolent being.. but i guess we'll find out whose right on the other side, because if theres one thing that biocentrism has made clear.. the possibility of an afterlife is extremely high

I do understand what Im trying to say my friend. And what Im saying is there more to the bible than what most (that try to discredit it) admit. One example was the restoration of Israel. Thats something that WE can see and point to as a fulfilled prophecy. Now the death, hate, and destruction part? I dont ignore that. I dont turn a blind eye to it. I see it and I dont champion it. But it was fulfilled and thats what I was pointing to.

Nowhere in the bible does it state that ONLY Hebrews/Jews can be children of God. In fact, if you read it from beginning to end, you see that its open to ALL nationalities and not just simply Israel. Israel were just the people that God introduced Himself to so that by them, He could be introduced to the world and that ALL the world could know God as Israel did. Nothing about them being better or superior than anyone else. A mistake that is often made, is attributing those who you call "zionists" with Israel of the bible. I think its clear for ANYONE that has read the bible, that they have ulterior motives for what they do. And those motives (at least from the outside looking in) have nothing to do with the bible. If they did, as you clearly establisehd, we wouldnt see the "zionists" doing what they do in the media or around the world. But you shouldnt attribute their actions to Israel. Otherwise, it seems like you'd be following in Hitler's footsteps instead of attacking the TRUE problem of the world.

Lastly, I've never claimed to be able to comprehend the Creator completely. But that doesnt mean I cant comprehend what He has revealed to humanity. And thats what I do. There are PLENTY of things that I dont understand about Him, or understand WHY exactly He did certain things. But again, I can understand the PARTS He has revealed to humanity. And thats all I try to do and spread to my brethren. But let me ask you. Do you just believe in "God" or do you know the "God" that you worship and refer to?

 

[AyahuascaSippin]

I do understand what Im trying to say my friend. And what Im saying is there more to the bible than what most (that try to discredit it) admit. One example was the restoration of Israel. Thats something that WE can see and point to as a fulfilled prophecy. Now the death, hate, and destruction part? I dont ignore that. I dont turn a blind eye to it. I see it and I dont champion it. But it was fulfilled and thats what I was pointing to.

Nowhere in the bible does it state that ONLY Hebrews/Jews can be children of God. In fact, if you read it from beginning to end, you see that its open to ALL nationalities and not just simply Israel. Israel were just the people that God introduced Himself to so that by them, He could be introduced to the world and that ALL the world could know God as Israel did. Nothing about them being better or superior than anyone else. A mistake that is often made, is attributing those who you call "zionists" with Israel of the bible. I think its clear for ANYONE that has read the bible, that they have ulterior motives for what they do. And those motives (at least from the outside looking in) have nothing to do with the bible. If they did, as you clearly establisehd, we wouldnt see the "zionists" doing what they do in the media or around the world. But you shouldnt attribute their actions to Israel. Otherwise, it seems like you'd be following in Hitler's footsteps instead of attacking the TRUE problem of the world.

Lastly, I've never claimed to be able to comprehend the Creator completely. But that doesnt mean I cant comprehend what He has revealed to humanity. And thats what I do. There are PLENTY of things that I dont understand about Him, or understand WHY exactly He did certain things. But again, I can understand the PARTS He has revealed to humanity. And thats all I try to do and spread to my brethren. But let me ask you. Do you just believe in "God" or do you know the "God" that you worship and refer to?

i see and feel god in every plant that grows, every drop of rain that falls, the sun that provides heat and security.. the night that provides peace and rest.. every child that smiles and every act of courage or selflesness displayed in life..

i was watching a documentary a few nights ago where lions gained a remarkable sense of bravery and desperation due to the environment and started trying to seperate a group of elephants.. they picked the carcass of a young male.. and the elephants (one of the smartest animals on the planet) rushed back to defend the youngster but unfortunately couldnt.. there were other examples of loyalty such as a young elephant staying by his dying mothers side and a mother in distress as her newborn died of dehydration.. she stayed all night regardless of how much she needed that lake..the most interesting thing though was just how gentle a fully grown elephant was around a lion cub who was approaching inquisitively.. anyway what i took from this was the range of emotions and characteristics these 'beasts' contained within them.. and how we continue to behave in a more barbaric way than the wildest of animals, ignoring that awareness that tells us this is heading towards disaster . sadly most of these acts are unjust and unecessary.. israel would be a dual state if the israelis werent so indoctronated by the words of men

 

[AyahuascaSippin]

also i try not to 'figure god out' .. i refuse to give god a gender or a description such as benevolent or omipotent as these are human concepts which we use to attempt to comprehend god, but are ultimately useless symbols which hold little relevance.. God speaks to our soul when we are ready to hold a proper conversation

 

[Everythingg]

I agree with your posts my friend. Your animal analogy reminds me of a couple of months ago when I saw a bird carrying a branch to what I assume was his nest. A little thing,but it was the first time I actually saw that in person and it kind of hit me. Ever since then I've been appreciating God when Im in nature and seeing animals go about their daily activities.

But lets say that God "speaks to each of our souls" in a manner which only we understand and that there is no need for something on paper or stone that can be looked upon as a general standard. I have met people that have told me men (like Kobe Bryant or Lebron James) are "god" or that the sun is our "god". Now if we went by the precept that God in all of us, how would we deal with that blatant idolatry? Heck, what is "idolatry" without the bible telling us? Because I know of NO RELIGION before the one Israel followed/follows that didnt allow things made of human hands to represent their God. Because of this, because of Abraham being honored and known globally, because of the restoration of Israel AND MORE, I believe there is more to the bible than simply "words of men". Others ignore these things though but I guess thats where FREE WILL comes into play.

israel would be a dual state if the israelis werent so indoctronated by the words of men

Is that the bible which you're calling the "words of men"?

Besides, Muslims that claim to believe in the God of Abraham should have NO PROBLEM with whats going on Israel. And Im not referring to the death and destruction that is plaguing it, but the part where their God actively commanded Moses and then Joshua to do the same (or similar) acts when Israel was entering the land the first time. So to accept that as your God, but get mad when He acts in accordance, doesnt make much sense at least to me.

 

[Brandsdale]

how is having dreads a bad sign towards christianity?

 

[Carter G. Hoodson]

What do we make of the (alleged) false prophecies Jesus made in Matthew 16:27 regards to Deut 18:22?

Do you believe in Paul? Or do you consider him a false apostle according to Revelation 2:2?

Do you believe that Jesus is God Almighty?

the real question should be did Moses, Abraham, Ruth..etc in the old testament subscribed to Jesus as their lord and savior since he was never mentioned nor christianity was mention in the old testament? If you don't prescribe to christianity or jesus, then you are going to hell. IF that's the case, are those prophets going to hell? Hell what about Jesus, because from my understanding he was birth as a jew, crucified as a jew and resurrected as a jew. Christianity isn't the same as judaism. We have a conflict of interest ppl.

 

[Marvel]

the real question should be did Moses, Abraham, Ruth..etc in the old testament subscribed to Jesus as their lord and savior since he was never mentioned nor christianity was mention in the old testament? If you don't prescribe to christianity or jesus, then you are going to hell. IF that's the case, are those prophets going to hell? Hell what about Jesus, because from my understanding he was birth as a jew, crucified as a jew and resurrected as a jew. Christianity isn't the same as judaism. We have a conflict of interest ppl.

The only people inheriting the Kingdom of Heaven which will be on Earth are the descendants of Israel that keep the faith in Jesus and keep the commandments of God.

Revelation 14
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Jesus only came to save HIS PEOPLE (the descendants of Israel ) from their sins. Only the children of Israel was given the laws under Moses. That is why the JUDGEMENTS of breaking the commandments are only seen on those people.

Matthew 1
21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save HIS PEOPLE from their sins.

Luke 1

68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed HIS PEOPLE,

69 And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David;

70 As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:

71 That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us;

72 To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant;

73 The oath which he sware to our father Abraham,

74 That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear,

75 In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life.

Acts 5
31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Repentance and forgiveness of sins is only given to the seed of Israel. Everyone else is wasting their time seeking the LORD. As the LORD JESUS CHRIST said:

Matthew 15
24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

He doesn't care about anybody else. He has never dealt with anybody else like he has done with the descendants of Jacob. Israel was a man first, then a people before it was ever a piece of land, so dont get it confused.

Psalms 147
19 He sheweth his word unto Jacob, his statutes and his judgments unto Israel.

20 He hath not dealt so with any nation: and as for his judgments, they have not known them. Praise ye the Lord.

Only the seed of Jacob have experienced the punishments from GOD for breaking the commandments. The white man's Christianity is what gets everybody confused, but the Bible is clear from beginning to end that the descendants of Israel are the only ones that need to be saved.

 

[Marvel]

the real question should be did Moses, Abraham, Ruth..etc in the old testament subscribed to Jesus as their lord and savior since he was never mentioned nor christianity was mention in the old testament? If you don't prescribe to christianity or jesus, then you are going to hell. IF that's the case, are those prophets going to hell? Hell what about Jesus, because from my understanding he was birth as a jew, crucified as a jew and resurrected as a jew. Christianity isn't the same as judaism. We have a conflict of interest ppl.

Do you know what a Jew is? A Jew is a descendants of the Kingdom of Judah and also refers to someone from the tribe of Judah. They were first called Jews during the Persian captivity during the time of the Prophet Ezra and it continued during the Greek captivity (which is chronicled in the Books of Maccabees) and the Roman captivity. That is what they were called Jew was never a religion on its own, it was always a group of people before the white man stole it from the original people and proclaimed themselves Jews and created the Talmud which is what the fake Jews follow today. So a person cannot convert to become a Jew. One can only be a Jew according to the flesh...as in according to their bloodline. That is why the fake white Jews called themselves Jewish, because they wish they were a Jew. -ish means pertaining to but not actual. Just like someone says "His car is blueish"

 

[Broke Wave]

I agree with your posts my friend. Your animal analogy reminds me of a couple of months ago when I saw a bird carrying a branch to what I assume was his nest. A little thing,but it was the first time I actually saw that in person and it kind of hit me. Ever since then I've been appreciating God when Im in nature and seeing animals go about their daily activities.

But lets say that God "speaks to each of our souls" in a manner which only we understand and that there is no need for something on paper or stone that can be looked upon as a general standard. I have met people that have told me men (like Kobe Bryant or Lebron James) are "god" or that the sun is our "god". Now if we went by the precept that God in all of us, how would we deal with that blatant idolatry? Heck, what is "idolatry" without the bible telling us? Because I know of NO RELIGION before the one Israel followed/follows that didnt allow things made of human hands to represent their God. Because of this, because of Abraham being honored and known globally, because of the restoration of Israel AND MORE, I believe there is more to the bible than simply "words of men". Others ignore these things though but I guess thats where FREE WILL comes into play.



Is that the bible which you're calling the "words of men"?

Besides, Muslims that claim to believe in the God of Abraham should have NO PROBLEM with whats going on Israel. And Im not referring to the death and destruction that is plaguing it, but the part where their God actively commanded Moses and then Joshua to do the same (or similar) acts when Israel was entering the land the first time. So to accept that as your God, but get mad when He acts in accordance, doesnt make much sense at least to me.

Muslims should have no problem with Israel? Forming a state on their lands killing their people and causing one of the biggest crimes of the 20th century based off the Old Testament which we mostly don't even believe in?

 

[Everythingg]

Muslims should have no problem with Israel?

Not if they believe in the God of Abraham. If they do, then they should see the tactics that were used the first time they entered that SAME land.

Also remember that I said "Im not referring to the death and destruction" that is happening. Im referring to those of "Israel" returning to the land that was promised to their fathers (not Muslims/Ishmael) by their God. Muslims claim to believe in that same God right?

 

[Everythingg]

the real question should be did Moses, Abraham, Ruth..etc in the old testament subscribed to Jesus as their lord and savior since he was never mentioned nor christianity was mention in the old testament? If you don't prescribe to christianity or jesus, then you are going to hell. IF that's the case, are those prophets going to hell? Hell what about Jesus, because from my understanding he was birth as a jew, crucified as a jew and resurrected as a jew. Christianity isn't the same as judaism. We have a conflict of interest ppl.

Technically, Jesus suggested that those that follow "judaism" would be just fine....

Spoiler

Matthew 5
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven

Luke 16
27 “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, 28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’

29 “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’

30 “‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’

31 “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

the real question should be did Moses, Abraham, Ruth..etc in the old testament subscribed to Jesus as their lord and savior since he was never mentioned nor christianity was mention in the old testament? If you don't prescribe to christianity or jesus, then you are going to hell. IF that's the case, are those prophets going to hell? Hell what about Jesus, because from my understanding he was birth as a jew, crucified as a jew and resurrected as a jew. Christianity isn't the same as judaism. We have a conflict of interest ppl.

Hebrews and Christians were one-and-the-same until the 2nd Century CE. The 'conflict of interest' is due to rabbis losing Orthodox converts to 'The Way', not the OT......

Not following Jesus/Christianity doesn't condemn anyone to 'Hell' so, those prophets are to be 'resurrected' for Olam Ha-Ba..a concept which was rejected by the Sadducees (since it isn't explicitly stated) but is a fundamental belief of traditional Judaism alluded to in various places in the Tanakh (ex.: see Dan. 12:2).​

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Muslims should have no problem with Israel? Forming a state on their lands killing their people and causing one of the biggest crimes of the 20th century based off the Old Testament which we mostly don't even believe in?

The present state of Israel is due to The Balfour Declaration of 1917.......

http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/balfour_declaration_of_1917.htm
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The Balfour Declaration was made in November 1917. The Balfour Declaration led the Jewish community in Britain and America into believing that Great Britain would support the creation of a Jewish state in the Middle East.

On November 2nd 1917, Arthur James Balfour, the British Foreign Secretary of the time, wrote to Lord Rothschild. The Rothschild’s were considered by many Jews to be one the most influential of all Jewish families – they were certainly one of the wealthiest. Their influence in America was considered to be very important to the British government.

Balfour declared his support for the establishment of a Jewish homeland in the area known as Palestine – though there had to be safeguards for the "rights of non-Jewish communities in Palestine". This communication was accepted by the Jewish community as Great Britain’s support for a Jewish homeland. Other nations that fought for the Allies offered their support for the declaration.

However, from a Palestinian Arab point of view, the same area had been promised to them for siding with the Allies in World War One and fighting against the Turks who were fighting on the side of the Germans.

Therefore, when Britain was given Palestine to govern as a League of Nation's mandate at the end of the war, both the Jews and the Arabs believed that they had been betrayed as both believed that they had been promised the same piece of land. After 1918, politics in the Middle East was to become a lot more complicated as many Jews took the Balfour Declaration as read and emigrated to Palestine. The Arabs there saw the increasing number of Jews moving to the region as a threat to their way of life and problems quickly multiplied.

 

[Thsnnor]

How come Jesus didnt establish that it was because he was human that he was calling God greater than himself?



But the "old" testament establishes that Israel ARE sons of God, and prophets were often called "son of man". I dont see what the problem would be unless they were unaware of their own texts...

He did establish that. Problem is we are using current day linguistics to interpret what He said during His ministry.

I wholly agree Israel is God's chosen people but the prophets didn't fulfill prophecy they gave it. Jesus fulfilled prophecy, healed the sick, cured the diseased, fed thousands and raised the dead. Jesus was killed for none of the things I described but was killed for saying He was equal to God. They were very aware of their own texts.

 

[Thsnnor]

The only people inheriting the Kingdom of Heaven which will be on Earth are the descendants of Israel that keep the faith in Jesus and keep the commandments of God.



Jesus only came to save HIS PEOPLE (the descendants of Israel ) from their sins. Only the children of Israel was given the laws under Moses. That is why the JUDGEMENTS of breaking the commandments are only seen on those people.







Repentance and forgiveness of sins is only given to the seed of Israel. Everyone else is wasting their time seeking the LORD. As the LORD JESUS CHRIST said:



He doesn't care about anybody else. He has never dealt with anybody else like he has done with the descendants of Jacob. Israel was a man first, then a people before it was ever a piece of land, so dont get it confused.



Only the seed of Jacob have experienced the punishments from GOD for breaking the commandments. The white man's Christianity is what gets everybody confused, but the Bible is clear from beginning to end that the descendants of Israel are the only ones that need to be saved.

The Jews had to reject Jesus for the Gentiles to have a chance at redemption.

Matthew 15:21-28 KJV
Then Jesus went thence, and departed into the coasts of Tyre and Sidon. [22] And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil. [23] But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us. [24] But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. [25] Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me. [26] But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs. [27] And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table. [28] Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.

Jesus was here to appeal to the Jews only at that current time. A woman from a different land (gentile) sought help from Jesus and was compared to taking bread from a child and giving it to dogs but she had faith and said even dogs eat crumbs from their masters table.

Jesus commended her faith and healed her daughter. We all can get salvation through Jesus but God's chosen will get theirs first.