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Yup, I’m a Knicks fan and saw the 7SOL and Triangle fail here in the 2010’s.
The system player argument is trash. Phil Jackson, Greg Popovich, Mike D’Antoni. They were nobodies before Jordan, Duncan, and Nash.
SHAQ CALLS TIM DUNCAN A SYSTEM PLAYER.. CLAIMS CHRIS WEBBER WAS BETTER.
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The system player argument is trash. Phil Jackson, Greg Popovich, Mike D’Antoni. They were nobodies before Jordan, Duncan, and Nash.
The Kings didn't struggle without Webber for most of the season after he got hurt. That said anything can happen in one season. The Blazers made the CF last year...haven't heard much about their system. People forget that the Spurs did add Aldridge the year before Duncan retired. That plus Kawhi and quality veteran role players ain't exactly chop liver. People also seem to forget that both Aldridge and Derozan have been there in that system the last 2 years and they have been moving further and further away from contention.
This is not me saying that Pop isn't on the short list of greatest coaches in the history of the game. This isn't football though. Basketball is all about the players. You can coach all you want and implement whatever system you chose, if you don't have the horses you ain't got shyt coming.
Shaq is the last person who should ever think about opening his mouth about anyone else's "luxuries".
BigTyme Records
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fukk fakkit ass OP
Pop only coached one season before TD and DRob was hurt. And he wasn’t even supposed to be the coach, he was the VP and GM and hired himself after a 3-15 start. Y’all act like he had some long history as a failed HC before TD. He was an assistant and then upgraded to GM/VP he wasn’t having a struggling career. Which is another example of why comparing him Phil or MDA is SIMPLETON shyt. Pop ran the entire operation from the moment he went back in 94. The entire operation. Not just a coach.
And lol @ bringing up Nash nikkas still haven’t showed me one elite season he had without MDA. But I can show you scrubs like Kendall Marshall who averaged 9apg with MDA. pretend like there’s no proof that MDAs offense inflates assist numbers brehs
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He lies about having people on ignore too. These guys always say you’re on ignore and then they’ll quote you randomly one day like wait I thought I was on ignore
rhakim has told me on several occasions I was on ignore, breh be lying 
ISO
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Greg Pop didn’t have a name. Duncan was a transcendent player coming out of college very quickly showed he was an All-Time great big man.Pop only coached one season before TD and DRob was hurt. And he wasn’t even supposed to be the coach, he was the VP and GM and hired himself after a 3-15 start. Y’all act like he had some long history as a failed HC before TD. He was an assistant and then upgraded to GM/VP he wasn’t having a struggling career. Which is another example of why comparing him Phil or MDA is SIMPLETON shyt. Pop ran the entire operation from the moment he went back in 96. The entire operation. Not just a coach.
And lol @ bringing up Nash nikkas still haven’t showed me one elite season he had without MDA. But I can show you scrubs like Kendall Marshall who averaged 9apg with MDA. pretend like there’s no proof that MDAs offense inflates assist numbers brehs
U was already told Nash was an All-Star, All-NBA, and led number one offenses before the 7SOL. If that’s not the signs of an elite point guard I don’t know what is.
U was already told that Nash isn’t great because of a system or arbitrary statistics but his skillset of elite shooting, passing, below the rim finishing, footwork, quickness, and ball handling where he passes the eye test clearly.
And Kendall Marshall was a pretty gifted passer.
He lies about having people on ignore too. These guys always say you’re on ignore and then they’ll quote you randomly one day like wait I thought I was on ignore
OH YEA, THERES NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT.... I CAUGHT HIM ON THAT A WHILE BACK.
HE WOULD SAY IM ON IGNORE IN ONE THREAD AND THEN OUTRIGHT REPLY TO SOMETHING I SAID IN ANOTHER.
BIGGEST FRAUD ON THE FORUM.....
HE DOES IT SO THAT HE DOESNT HAVE TO DEAL WIT THE SONNINGS AND STILL APPEAR LIKE HE GOT THE UPPER HAND, BUT HIS BUSTER ASS READIN ALL THIS RN, BELIEVE THAT.
U was already told Nash was an All-Star, All-NBA, and led number one offenses before the 7SOL. If that’s not the signs of an elite point guard I don’t know what is.
U was already told that Nash isn’t great because of a system or arbitrary statistics but his skillset of elite shooting, passing, below the rim finishing, footwork, quickness, and ball handling where he passes the eye test clearly.
And Kendall Marshall was a pretty gifted passer.
Making your first all star game at 27 years old and Being all star 2 times in 6 seasons doesn’t make you elite or a superstar
why you acting so dumb about that. Are Bam Adebayo and KhrIs Middleton elite, tier 1 superstars cuz they made the All star game?? Nash’s Dallas years were not elite dawg lost a starting battle to Robert pack in his 4th season he was elite with MDA and then with Gentry running MDA shyt at an old age. And I agree that Nash was a great player because of his skill set. But he was became elite because of MDA. Elite and great are different levels and you know that.An true elite PG is someone like CP3 who is a star across all teams/coaches and lifts up a team like OKC. Someone who challenges for MVP at 22. advanced a young age.
and Kendall Marshall was gifted but he flamed out of the leage quickly and only had success with MDA. Assist numbers clearly inflated cuz of the offense.
To say Pop was a nobody before TD is dumb as fukk. Pop became VP/ GM in 94 and immediately signed Avery and Sean Elliot and got to the conference finals. Those two guys helped them win a title in 99 and Elliot was an all star. He traded Dennis Rodman who wasn’t a good fit for type of culture he was trying to build. They win 62 and 59 games Pops first two years as an exec before DRob got hurt.
To act like Pop was some failed loser before TD is factually inaccurate he had already shown to have skills as an exec and team builder before TD even arrived. The entire Spurs philosophy, culture and consistency comes from Pops vision from 94 two years before TD arrived. Y’all be on that simple “bu bu but Phil shyt” when Phil’s situations was widely different
To act like Pop was some failed loser before TD is factually inaccurate he had already shown to have skills as an exec and team builder before TD even arrived. The entire Spurs philosophy, culture and consistency comes from Pops vision from 94 two years before TD arrived. Y’all be on that simple “bu bu but Phil shyt” when Phil’s situations was widely different
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Why you keep on talking about what happened in his 4th season?Making your first all star game at 27 years old and Being all star 2 times in 6 seasons doesn’t make you elite or a superstar
An true elite PG is someone like CP3 who is a star across all teams/coaches and lifts up a team like OKC. Someone who challenges for MVP at 22. advanced a young age.
and Kendall Marshall was gifted but he flamed out of the leage quickly and only had success with MDA. Assist numbers clearly inflated cuz of the offense.
I’m a Bam fan I think he’s an elite big man at the moment.
Nash became elite in those early 00’s seasons in Dallas. Again when he made All-Star, All-NBA, led the top offense, averaged 18/7 with elite splits. In those years he was an elite point guard according to the stats and accolades from them seasons. How did he become elite with MDA when he already had them skills that made him great? U can acknowledge he had the skillset. Nash simply moved to an offense where he got more usage and played at a faster pace. He showcased the talent he had and he made that system run.
CP3 is better than Nash. How about all the late bloomer PG’s like Nash though. Gary Payton, Kyle Lowry, Kemba Walker, Steph Curry, John Stockton. U telling me they not elite? U telling me they not HoF players?
Breh, I know it hurt to see Kobe get his ‘06 MVP robbed by Nash and that Big 4 not working out but let that hurt go. U sound irrational right now.
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Just like Kawhi right
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Marc Spector
the 4'11 Cuban
you dont get it bruh
This nikka Duncan had the audacity to play fundamentally sound , smart basketball, win 5 titles doing so, and be an arguable top 10 player of all time.
the audacity of this nikka I say
I mean how else are simpletons supposed to know how good you really are , if you arent shooting contested fadeaway jumpers or dribbling into a double team???
This take is so out of left-field that it should be a thread. I wholeheartedly disagree, but it'd be an interesting read.
