Shaq doubles down on winning without Kobe:” I coulda won 3 in a row with Vince “.

[Joe Sixpack]

Shaq never mentioned Phil in these scenarios, he only mentioned himself. Shaq didn’t use any context in his message (were the ones filling in the blanks) that’s why I said from the beginning it wasn’t about Kobe, it was more about Shaq thinking he could win with anyone else. I disagree. On paper yes, it seems that he can, but anybody who knows basketball understands that games aren’t won on paper. I really don’t think anyone besides Kobe and maybe Wade would’ve won multiples with Shaq. Why?

Shaq said they were successful because he and Kobe were at odds. Why were they at an odds? A One reason is, Shaq admitted Kobe wasn’t scared of him and Kobe let him know about himself when he was slacking. Kobe was gonna get his respect even if it meant Shaq kicking his ass. Who else in the NBA would’ve stood up to Shaq like that?? Ai, T Mac, nor Vince would have stood up to Shaq like that, he would’ve Lebron’d them, meaning he would’ve put them in their places and established himself as the ONLY alpha. I’m not even going to bring up defense, those guys weren’t changing games with their defense like Kobe did.

Also, Phil marveled at how Kobe ran the triangle and said he was the best at it (documented) and I don’t see any of this other players mentioned running the triangle like Kobe. I just think Kobe had the right attitude towards Shaq in order for the Lakers to 3 peat. Not the others. What separated Kobe from the others, especially T Mac, isn’t physical. It’s the intangibles and the mentality of wanting to be the GOAT. Kobe desired something bigger than Shaq, and that was to be the GOAT or outdo Mike. The others didn’t.

So if T Mac was always injured, he would’ve magically (no pun) been healthy when playing with Shaq? No. How would they win with an injured T Mac. Or are we gonna add in another “if T Mac was” scenario with his health? How many “if” does Mac need to 3 peat with Shaq?
Kobe never needed any “ifs” he just made it happen, even injured. Mentality.

T mac started getting hurt later on in Houston I am talking Orlando T Mac

And back then Phil Jackson was in his bag how are you gonna sit here and act like Phil wouldn’t of brought out more outta Tmac?

You holdin the series against the Pistons against him we are talking a young T Mac in his prime killing and playing alongside the most dominant force in the game with Phil Jackson as his coach.

Cmon man

 

[Everythingg]

Everyone needs great players around them the problem is these sensitive annoying Kobe fans get mad whenever they feel he’s not adequately sucked off to their liking.

It is not an insult to Kobe to say if you put Tmac from Orlando on the Lakers with Shaq AND PHIL JACKSON that Shaq could probably win multiple titles.I know earlier I said 3 peat but to be honest that is not something that is realistic like that so I’m gonna say Shaq would’ve won multiple titles with Tmac on the Lakers.

I don’t see how that is a crazy thing to say

T mac on Orlando was supposed to be playing with Grant Hill but his ankle was fukked up people keep forgetting that.

It was Tmac by himself carrying a crazy load in Orlando seeing all the double teams and it didn’t matter he was still blacking on the entire league

More like hold Kobe to the same standards of everyone else. If playing with Shaq is used against Kobe then hold Magic/Kareem playing with each other to that same standard. Instead Magic/Kareem will be in people's top 5. People don't bring up Kareem being a 3rd option for his last 2 rings either yet will diminish Kobe's first 3 rings where he played closer because the dominant center was unusable in close games.. Why arent Magic and Kareem held to that standard of "well they played with Magic/Kareem" depending on who you want to elevate/diminish?

And you don't think Kareem would take it as disrespectful to say that you could replace him with Wilt and get the same results? What if you told Isiah Thomas that he could've been replaced with Steph? Go up to Wade and tell him he could've been replaced with James Harden. How is handling that? Calling a star/superstars contributions replaceable is disrespectful especially when you're replacing them with a player that didnt accomplish as much as they did.

Saying TMac could replace Kobe is like saying James Harden could replace DWade but even worse. The talent is there, but are the intangibles? Nah. Leadership? Absolutely not. And that's with James Harden being laughed at in this generation for being a "choker" while in reality he lapped everything Mac did who is put on a pedestal based on stats, highlights, and specific moments like 13 in 33 secs. The best you could say is TMac was similarly talented (offensively) to Kobe. Or he had the talent to do everything Kobe did. But acting like you could just drop him in that same situation and undoubtedly get the same or similar results? Nah. Talent is there but he lacked the intangibles/drive that Kobe had that helped the Lakers win the first 3 with a lazy Shaq who said he didnt work on his game in the summer or that he stopped playing defense when he didnt get the touches he wanted.

 

[10bandz]

So he almost won 3 straight with Pau but Dirk is a stretch?

You see that type of bullshyt these nikkas be on

Shaq and Tmac is 3 peat lock, Shaq and Vince is 3 peat lock, but Kobe and Dirk? Melo, Wade and Bosh? Ehhhh, maybe

 

[10bandz]

They won games vs Portland with Kobe going 4-9 and 5-15 while losing a game by 8 where he went 4-13 with 6 turnovers and 6 fouls. They lost a game vs the kings with Kobe going 8-24 and fouling out. His game 4 was a good game but nothing otherworldly even before he missed the game tying shot. They lost by 1 in game 5 with Kobe going 11-29, missed 3 free throws, had 5 turnovers to 3 assists, and had 5 fouls. He was 10-26 with 5 fouls in game 7. These are not impossible games to replicate or be better than.

Now breakdown Tmac's games vs the Jazz in the 07 playoffs you fukking loser.

 

[staticshock]

VC ain’t have that killer instinct

East was trash they probably could have won at least 1 though

 

[10bandz]

Duncan was mvp in 3 of his finals as well

He shouldn't have won the 05 MVP

 

[Joe Sixpack]

More like hold Kobe to the same standards of everyone else. If playing with Shaq is used against Kobe then hold Magic/Kareem playing with each other to that same standard. Instead Magic/Kareem will be in people's top 5. People don't bring up Kareem being a 3rd option for his last 2 rings either yet will diminish Kobe's first 3 rings where he played closer because the dominant center was unusable in close games.. Why arent Magic and Kareem held to that standard of "well they played with Magic/Kareem" depending on who you want to elevate/diminish?

And you don't think Kareem would take it as disrespectful to say that you could replace him with Wilt and get the same results? What if you told Isiah Thomas that he could've been replaced with Steph? Go up to Wade and tell him he could've been replaced with James Harden. How is handling that? Calling a star/superstars contributions replaceable is disrespectful especially when you're replacing them with a player that didnt accomplish as much as they did.

Saying TMac could replace Kobe is like saying James Harden could replace DWade but even worse. The talent is there, but are the intangibles? Nah. Leadership? Absolutely not. And that's with James Harden being laughed at in this generation for being a "choker" while in reality he lapped everything Mac did who is put on a pedestal based on stats, highlights, and specific moments like 13 in 33 secs. The best you could say is TMac was similarly talented (offensively) to Kobe. Or he had the talent to do everything Kobe did. But acting like you could just drop him in that same situation and undoubtedly get the same or similar results? Nah. Talent is there but he lacked the intangibles/drive that Kobe had that helped the Lakers win the first 3 with a lazy Shaq who said he didnt work on his game in the summer or that he stopped playing defense when he didnt get the touches he wanted.

Magic won Finals MVP when Kareem sprained his ankle in game 6 in 1980. 42 15 and 7. Won the NBA title a year after winning the NCAA title.. Magic was in a different stratosphere than not only Kobe but every other player..

Nobody else has ever done that so don’t put Kobe in that category.

James Harden is not really a good example because he was a walking Ponzi Scheme. James Harden was a fraud all he did was get to the free throw line with clown shyt thats how he was able to put those high ass scoring avgs the shyt was all a grift. And that nikka‘s usage rate was ridiculous he played for a goofy ass coach who just said here James you pound the ball.. You a surface level ass nikka Jesus

Phil Jackson taught Kobe and Shaq how to win. He would’ve taught Tmac to win too.

 

[Everythingg]

Shaq never mentioned Phil in these scenarios, he only mentioned himself. Shaq didn’t use any context in his message (were the ones filling in the blanks) that’s why I said from the beginning it wasn’t about Kobe, it was more about Shaq thinking he could win with anyone else. I disagree. On paper yes, it seems that he can, but anybody who knows basketball understands that games aren’t won on paper. I really don’t think anyone besides Kobe and maybe Wade would’ve won multiples with Shaq. Why?

Shaq said they were successful because he and Kobe were at odds. Why were they at an odds? A One reason is, Shaq admitted Kobe wasn’t scared of him and Kobe let him know about himself when he was slacking. Kobe was gonna get his respect even if it meant Shaq kicking his ass. Who else in the NBA would’ve stood up to Shaq like that?? Ai, T Mac, nor Vince would have stood up to Shaq like that, he would’ve Lebron’d them, meaning he would’ve put them in their places and established himself as the ONLY alpha. I’m not even going to bring up defense, those guys weren’t changing games with their defense like Kobe did.

Also, Phil marveled at how Kobe ran the triangle and said he was the best at it (documented) and I don’t see any of this other players mentioned running the triangle like Kobe. I just think Kobe had the right attitude towards Shaq in order for the Lakers to 3 peat. Not the others. What separated Kobe from the others, especially T Mac, isn’t physical. It’s the intangibles and the mentality of wanting to be the GOAT. Kobe desired something bigger than Shaq, and that was to be the GOAT or outdo Mike. The others didn’t.

So if T Mac was always injured, he would’ve magically (no pun) been healthy when playing with Shaq? No. How would they win with an injured T Mac. Or are we gonna add in another “if T Mac was” scenario with his health? How many “if” does Mac need to 3 peat with Shaq?
Kobe never needed any “ifs” he just made it happen, even injured. Mentality.

You posted this while I was typing my post but 100% facts. James Harden can do almost everything DWade could do on the court, had better numbers (unlike Mac vs Kobe) but he didnt have the same mentals that Wade had.

 

[10bandz]

So how come Shaq didn't win any chips before Kobe, and won 1 chip without Kobe (whereas Kobe won 2)?

These fakkits have spent the last 2 weeks coming up with every reason to justify this shyt including "Real LAkers Fan" @NYC Rebel

 

[Joe Sixpack]

You posted this while I was typing my post but 100% facts. James Harden can do almost everything DWade could do on the court, had better numbers (unlike Mac vs Kobe) but he didnt have the same mentals that Wade had.

Like look at this disgusting shyt you just typed

Thats why I can’t take you serious

The fukk outta here with this bullshyt

James Harden was a Bernie Madoff, 3 card Monty, Ponzi Scheme ass nikka he was nowhere near Wade

 

[Baka's Weird Case]

He still wasn’t same Shaq that he was in 2000

the difference between shaq in 05 and 00 is nowhere near as big as the difference between wade in 05 and vince at any point in his career

if early 00s shaq winning three in a row with vince is so easy its an afterthought than mvp-caliber shaq not winning multiple rings with wade is an all-time failure

 

[10bandz]

you gotta be trolling he was paired with Shaq from day 1

These nikkas think its funny to troll about a dead man's legacy

 

[RedBull]

T mac started getting hurt later on in Houston I am talking Orlando T Mac

And back then Phil Jackson was in his bag how are you gonna sit here and act like Phil wouldn’t of brought out more outta Tmac?

You holdin the series against the Pistons against him we are talking a young T Mac in his prime killing and playing alongside the most dominant force in the game with Phil Jackson as his coach.

Cmon man

I’m not holding anything against Mac. I made no mention about the Pistons at all, I wasn’t even on that. I’m viewing the overall T Mac, not just sections of his career.

Phil could’ve brought more out of Mac, yes. I just don’t think they’re 3 peating with Mac.

 

[Everythingg]

Magic won Finals MVP when Kareem sprained his ankle in game 6 in 1980. 42 15 and 7. Won the NBA title a year after winning the NCAA title.. Magic was in a different stratosphere than not only Kobe but every other player..

Nobody else has ever done that so don’t put Kobe in that category.

James Harden is not really a good example because he was a walking Ponzi Scheme. James Harden was a fraud all he did was get to the free throw line with clown shyt thats how he was able to put those high ass scoring avgs the shyt was all a grift. And that nikka‘s usage rate was ridiculous he played for a goofy ass coach who just said here James you pound the ball.. You a surface level ass nikka Jesus

Phil Jackson taught Kobe and Shaq how to win. He would’ve taught Tmac to win too.

Do they get to the finals so Magic could even have the opportunity to win finals MVP without Kareem? Do you know Kareem averaged 31 and 12 in the playoffs that same year? Do you know that Kareem averaged 33 pts 13 rebs and 4.5 blks in that same series that Magic got finals MVP and only missed ONE game? Do you know that Kareem was already a champion when Magic entered the league? And a 5 time MVP with his 6th coming in Magic's rookie season? See people give Magic credit even though he was playing with a dominant force in Kareem. Im with that. Yet with Kobe, they use him playing with a dominant force against him. Even though his "dominant force" was one that became unusable in crunch time unlike Kareem who was a career 70ish% FT shooter? And finals MVP is cool and all, but it's one round out of 4. Dominating that one round is great but it doesn't outweigh the totality of the playoffs..

Umm James Harden played in the same "get the ball and do whatever you want" type of system TMac did.So what? And TMac had a high usage rate too. So what?Harden led teams still had way more in season success and went way further in the playoffs than any TMac led team ever did. Yet James gets mocked for his lack of playoff success while TMac gets excuses made for him. So you can say James is a bad example because of how he did it yet that cant apply to TMac?

You call me surface level but leave Phil Jackson's impact to "he taught them how to win"? Explain why Shaq was still lazy? Why did he (his words)stop playing defense when he didnt get the amount of touches he wanted? Why was he still NOT working on his game in the summer (his words)? Why did he hurt the team by waiting until the season was about to start to have a surgery he could have had months earlier?

What TMac showed in his career was that he didnt have the intangibles in his game that Kobe had. Its not automatic that Phil instills that in him...

 

[Everythingg]

You see that type of bullshyt these nikkas be on

Shaq and Tmac is 3 peat lock, Shaq and Vince is 3 peat lock, but Kobe and Dirk? Melo, Wade and Bosh? Ehhhh, maybe

That or its "Kobe was a sidekick to Shaq who was the reason 3peated". Then Pau comes to be the sidekick to Kobe and its "the sidekick is the reason Kobe won those last 2 rings"