Shaq doubles down on winning without Kobe:” I coulda won 3 in a row with Vince “.
- Thread starter BigTyme Records
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What about the opposite question of how far does Orlando and NJ get if you replace TMac and Vince with Kobe?
Flat tops running the old “the actual finals don't matter” narrative
EVERYONE KNOWS THE
REAL FINALS WERE IN THE WEST.
THESE THINGS WERE SAID
IN REAL TIME SO ITS HILARIOUS
TO WATCH HISTORY BEING REWRITTEN
KOBE WENT ON TO
WIN 2 WITHOUT SHAQ
WHILE TMAC NEVER GOT
OUT THE FIRST ROUND.
VINCE JOINED 2 DIFFERENT TEAMS
THAT MADE 3 FINALS AND NEVER
GOT BACK TO THE FINALS
WITH THOSE TEAMS.
YEA THEY WERE KOBES
Mister Terrific
It’s in the name
Oh I didn’t realize the Lakers won every title from 99-04.
I thought this was about Shaq 3 peating.
My bad.
The Sixers lost by an average of 6.8 points. The Spurs lost by an average of 20+ points.
FINALS STATS
THEY DONT EVEN MAKE
IT OUT THE WEST WITHOUT
KOBE IDIOTS
They were also within 2 points in the 4th quarter of both games 2 and 3 despite having half their roster on hospital leave.
We saw Iverson vs Kobe and he had Kobe sucking air having to have Tyron Luo come off the bench to guard Iverson after scoring 15 points in game 1.
NOBODY in the league was preparing for Kobe like they were Shaq. Shaq was literally the most dominate player in MBA history at this point. The Spurs lost Derek Anderson AND were triple teaming Shaq.
IF Kobe was so important to the Lakers championships like that why when his usage went up PAST Shaq’s in 2003 and 2004 did they lose?
He was literally the focal point of the Lakers offense in 2003 against the Spurs and they got their ass beat. In 2004 he literally pissed on himself.
Shaq was the same dude he always was. Damn near 70% at the rim. Dominate rebounding. Plus plus on defense.
Phil Jacksok literally called Kobe a uncoachable child and bounced. The notion that Kobe was some mature baller that no guard in the league could match at that time is hilarious.
Lebrons worst performance ever, literally gone down in legend is still better than Kobe’s worst.
And that Mavs team was twice as good as that Pistons team
nikka KOBE WON 2 WITHOUT SHAQ
AND MADE 3 STRAIGHT FINALS
WE DONT HAVE TO DO
HYPOTHETICALS.
NETS AND ORLANDO
MADE THE FINALS BEFORE VINCE
AND DID NOTHING WITH HIM.
TMAC DID NOTHING WITH YAO
AND THEY GOT OUT THE 1ST RD
THE YEAR HE WAS OUT
COMPARING THESE MENTAL MIDGETS
TO KOBE WAS COOL IN 02.
EVEN I DID IT
BUT TO DO IT NOW IN 2025
IS SHAMELESS AND LAUGHABLE
The Sixers lost by an average of 6.8 points. The Spurs lost by an average of 20+ points.
They were also within 2 points in the 4th quarter of both games 2 and 3 despite having half their roster on hospital leave.
We saw Iverson vs Kobe and he had Kobe sucking air having to have Tyron Luo come off the bench to guard Iverson after scoring 15 points in game 1.
NOBODY in the league was preparing for Kobe like they were Shaq. Shaq was literally the most dominate player in MBA history at this point. The Spurs lost Derek Anderson AND were triple teaming Shaq.
IF Kobe was so important to the Lakers championships like that why when his usage went up PAST Shaq’s in 2003 and 2004 did they lose?
He was literally the focal point of the Lakers offense in 2003 against the Spurs and they got their ass beat. In 2004 he literally pissed on himself.
Shaq was the same dude he always was. Damn near 70% at the rim. Dominate rebounding. Plus plus on defense.
Phil Jacksok literally called Kobe a uncoachable child and bounced. The notion that Kobe was some mature baller that no guard in the league could match at that time is hilarious.
Lebrons worst performance ever, literally gone down in legend is still better than Kobe’s worst.
And that Mavs team was twice as good as that Pistons team
KOBE MADE 3 STRAIGHT FINALS
AND WON 2 WITHOUT SHAQ.
NO AMOUNT OF dikkSUCKING
WILL ERASE THESE FACTS
Bittersteel
Rookie
Kobe winning 2 without Shaq has no bearing on Shaq's legacy.
Shaq shouldn't even be entertaining these stupid hypotheticals. He was the number one option on the team that won three straight titles. Whether he could win with Vince or Tmac or Ray or what he actually did with Kobe is irrelevant.
He was the undisputed best player in the NBA until Duncan was able to get one in 03.
Any people arguing that Kobe could have won without Shaq in the Early 2000s are fooling themselves. Bryant staged a mutiny in the 2004 finals taking over the offense and couldn't deliver for the LA Lakers. He was not ready to compete at that level.
Shaq shouldn't even be entertaining these stupid hypotheticals. He was the number one option on the team that won three straight titles. Whether he could win with Vince or Tmac or Ray or what he actually did with Kobe is irrelevant.
He was the undisputed best player in the NBA until Duncan was able to get one in 03.
Any people arguing that Kobe could have won without Shaq in the Early 2000s are fooling themselves. Bryant staged a mutiny in the 2004 finals taking over the offense and couldn't deliver for the LA Lakers. He was not ready to compete at that level.
You’re right.
KOBE MADE 3 STRAIGHT FINALS
AND WON 2 WITHOUT SHAQ.
NO AMOUNT OF dikkSUCKING
WILL ERASE THESE FACTS
Those are facts.
But facts without context are useless.
Glad I could help clarify that for you
YOU JUST MADE UP SOME shyt
NO ONE SAID.
NEITHER ONE OF
THEM WOULD HAVE WON
WITHOUT THE OTHER
DURING THOSE YEARS.
ACT LIKE KOBE DIDNT
OUTSCORE SHAQ FOR 2 STRAIGHT
WESTERN CONFERENCE
PLAYOFF RUNS.
Everythingg
King-Over-Kingz
Kobe with JKidd don't get swept by Wade/Shaq
Kobe on 2002 Orlando Magic gets past Baron Davis instead of guaranteeing a win before then saying Baron Davis had the better teammates
Kobe on 03 Magic doesn't play 67 games and go 21-61 like 24 year old TMac
Mister Terrific
It’s in the name
Kobe vs Spurs 2003
Shaq 3 finals MVPs
KOBE MADE 3 STRAIGHT FINALS
AND WON 2 WITHOUT SHAQ.
NO AMOUNT OF dikkSUCKING
WILL ERASE THESE FACTS
Kobe 2 finals MVPs
Shaq 1 sidekick ring. Kobe 3 sidekick rings.
No amount of Maga Mamba historical revisionism and lying is going to change that.
I was there. Nobody thought Kobe was better than Shaq. NOBODY.
No allstar guard in the nba in 2000 could cobble together 15 points
honestly shaq getting tmac past the first round three years in a row would be impressive enough 
Kobe vs Spurs 2003
Shaq 3 finals MVPs
Kobe 2 finals MVPs
Shaq 1 sidekick ring. Kobe 3 sidekick rings.
No amount of Maga Mamba historical revisionism and lying is going to change that.
I was there. Nobody thought Kobe was better than Shaq. NOBODY.
No allstar guard in the nba in 2000 could cobble together 15 points
Bittersteel
Rookie
YOU JUST MADE UP SOME shyt
NO ONE SAID.
NEITHER ONE OF
THEM WOULD HAVE WON
WITHOUT THE OTHER
DURING THOSE YEARS.
ACT LIKE KOBE DIDNT
OUTSCORE SHAQ FOR A
WHOLE WESTERN CONFERENCE
PLAYOFF RUN.
Oh yes, the famous tough competition in the West. Which great teams did they face again?
The moment Duncan had some perimeter help in 2003 with a rookie Parker, he was able to get past the Lakers.
The reality is Kobe was a second option on a superteam playing in a league that had no other superteams.
Those three rings he won playing second fiddle to Shaq are fugazi and the media knows it.
