Sheduer Sanders finally enters the game……. Immediately throws an interception

[IIVI]

Also, Herbert’s rookie year was the same OL scheme that got Rivers killed week after week, with worse players on it. They even had the previous year’s LG as the starting center for Herbert, not even a specialized center.

They basically knew they were giving Herbert a worse Offensive Line and didn’t care because nobody expected Herbert to be that good. Herbert being more mobile was a big factor in making it work and the Chargers drafted Rashawn Slater and brought in an entire new Offensive Line the next year to protect the new franchise QB.

Rivers took 66 sacks his last two years with the Chargers and only 19 sacks when he went to Indy. That’s how bad the “worse OL” was that Herbert had to start with.

Point all being, you got to basically prove it. No one is getting special treatment and moving around their draft boards until you show you’re not a stop gap/experimental/temporary QB.

you’ll know if a team thinks their QB is special once they start putting Offensive Linemen around them and giving them weapons rather than draft defense/BPA. Maybe let go of a few coaches as well. That’s exactly what the Chargers did. They have to really prove they’re good first though.

 

[Conan]

Because Gabriel is a fukking rookie and needs all the reps he can get oh my god. This is why you shouldn't draft two rookie QBs! It's not a conspiracy.

So is Shedeur?

 

[Standing on business]

Yea Gerald McCoy said the samething

Go to 25:00

But Shannon and ocho

 

[Piff Perkins]

So is Shedeur?

When your QB1 is a rookie he's going to get all the reps for obvious reasons. It's a completely different situation than when Gabriel was behind a veteran QB who didn't need every rep. The ideal situation would be for the QB2 behind Gabriel to be a vet (who doesn't need reps) but the Browns fukked that up by drafting another rookie.

 

[phillycavsfan]

So is Shedeur?

You do understand that if you draft a QB in the third round and another in the fifth round, you're gonna prioritize giving the third round QB as many as possible first. That's just.....standard practice in that scenario.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

This is why you shouldn't draft two rookie QBs!

But they did draft two rookies, so why not talk about the situation as it is instead of whatever stan wars you have in your head?

 

[Conan]

When your QB1 is a rookie he's going to get all the reps for obvious reasons. It's a completely different situation than when Gabriel was behind a veteran QB who didn't need every rep. The ideal situation would be for the QB2 behind Gabriel to be a vet (who doesn't need reps) but the Browns fukked that up by drafting another rookie.

So you agree that regardless of Shedeur's chances at having a decent NFL career (I have no idea how he'll end up) the Browns and the coaching staff have not done him any favors, and any criticism of his performance on Sunday that doesn't take his lack of reps and adequate prep by the team into consideration is a bit.. biased?

 

[Bigblackted4]

We need to know what happened with Rg3 and Kirk Cousins because that’s a similar situation

 

[Piff Perkins]

So you agree that regardless of Shedeur's chances at having a decent NFL career (I have no idea how he'll end up) the Browns and the coaching staff have not done him any favors, and any criticism of his performance on Sunday that doesn't take his lack of reps and adequate prep by the team into consideration is a bit.. biased?

No? This isn't about favors, it's how the NFL works. If you aren't a starter you don't get many OR any 1st team reps during the season, depending on your position. If he was WR4 he'd eventually get some 1st team reps just because of how injuries and rest are handled with other positions. But at QB he doesn't have access to 1st team reps because he didn't beat out anyone during camp. His shot was this spring/summer and he failed. If he was as good as certain people say he would have beaten Gabriel in camp. But he didn't.

I haven't looked up Gabriel's status this week. But if he's still in concussion protocol I would expect Shaedur to get 1st team reps. And when Gabriel returns it'll go back to the way it's been.

 

[Deafheaven]

Also, Herbert’s rookie year was the same OL scheme that got Rivers killed week after week, with worse players on it. They even had the previous year’s LG as the starting center for Herbert, not even a specialized center.

They basically knew they were giving Herbert a worse Offensive Line and didn’t care because nobody expected Herbert to be that good. Herbert being more mobile was a big factor in making it work and the Chargers drafted Rashawn Slater and brought in an entire new Offensive Line the next year to protect the new franchise QB.

Rivers took 66 sacks his last two years with the Chargers and only 19 sacks when he went to Indy. That’s how bad the “worse OL” was that Herbert had to start with.

Point all being, you got to basically prove it. No one is getting special treatment and moving around their draft boards until you show you’re not a stop gap/experimental/temporary QB.

Caleb took 70 sacks last year and he a crazy athlete for the position put up solid numbers and people still were calling him a bust, this year

Yet Shadeur can put up a putrid statline with a noodle arm and we posed to be like bu bu bu poor lil 5th rounder

I don't understand it. Same nikkas in here who call Lebron a bum slurping Shadeur its scustya

 

[Nigerianwonder]

No? This isn't about favors, it's how the NFL works. If you aren't a starter you don't get many OR any 1st team reps during the season, depending on your position. If he was WR4 he'd eventually get some 1st team reps just because of how injuries and rest are handled with other positions. But at QB he doesn't have access to 1st team reps because he didn't beat out anyone during camp. His shot was this spring/summer and he failed. If he was as good as certain people say he would have beaten Gabriel in camp. But he didn't.

I haven't looked up Gabriel's status this week. But if he's still in concussion protocol I would expect Shaedur to get 1st team reps. And when Gabriel returns it'll go back to the way it's been.

None of this is true. There are just as many former QB's and players saying their back ups actually did get 1st team reps. It depends on the situation. There is no hard rule as teams decide whats best for their situation. In this case what people and former players are saying is that with only 2 rookies on your team as QB1 and QB2 it was a stupid and terrible coaching decision to not make sure your Rookie QB2 isnt ready to go and have at least some familiarity with the 1st team.

And lets talk about camp. KS went out of his way to tell the world it was an open 4 way QB competition once camp started. So draft position doesn't matter at that point. Dillion was getting 1st team reps from the start as QB3 behind flacco and pickett. Shaduer was the best QB in camp based on the numbers and accuracy. When he balled out against the panthers KS didnt even move him up the depth chart or let him get any reps. He should have been QB 2 behind flacco after that game if it was based on how he performed on the field.

Instead they brought in tyler huntley and gave him reps over Shaduer. They traded pickett before the regular season started after giving him valuable reps that should have went to Shaduer. And once flacco and all the vets were gone they still didnt give him any 1st team reps to prevent what everyone predicted would happen at some point if your rookie QB1 gets injured or is not able to play. That's not how the NFL works.. That's how a bad, poorly coached Browns team works.

 

[Deafheaven]

None of this is true. There are just as many former QB's and players saying their back ups actually did get 1st team reps. It depends on the situation. There is no hard rule as teams decide whats best for their situation. In this case what people and former players are saying is that with only 2 rookies on your team as QB1 and QB2 it was a stupid and terrible coaching decision to not make sure your Rookie QB2 isnt ready to go and have at least some familiarity with the 1st team.

And lets talk about camp. KS went out of his way to tell the world it was an open 4 way QB competition once camp started. So draft position doesn't matter at that point. Dillion was getting 1st team reps from the start as QB3 behind flacco and pickett. Shaduer was the best QB in camp based on the numbers and accuracy. When he balled out against the panthers KS didnt even move him up the depth chart or let him get any reps. He should have been QB 2 behind flacco after that game if it was based on how he performed on the field.

Instead they brought in tyler huntley and gave him reps over Shaduer. They traded pickett before the regular season started after giving him valuable reps that should have went to Shaduer. And once flacco and all the vets were gone they still didnt give him any 1st team reps to prevent what everyone predicted would happen at some point if your rookie QB1 gets injured or is not able to play. That's not how the NFL works.. That's how a bad, poorly coached Browns team works.

Whats more likely. they're both rookies so they gave the qb1 the qb1 reps, or the coach conspired to self sabotage himself by playing the inferior quarterback and fukking off his position as a 1/32 top dog in the league.

To...teach Shadeur a lesson? spite him? I just fail to understand why the coach would willfully try to lose games by not playing his best option at qb.

 

[IIVI]

Caleb took 70 sacks last year and he a crazy athlete for the position put up solid numbers and people still were calling him a bust, this year

Yet Shadeur can put up a putrid statline with a noodle arm and we posed to be like bu bu bu poor lil 5th rounder

I don't understand it. Same nikkas in here who call Lebron a bum slurping Shadeur its scustya

Yup. You can tell when a team considers them the real deal, that’s when they’ll fire coaches, draft protection, etc. That’s what happened for Herbert, Caleb, etc.

 

[Piff Perkins]

None of this is true. There are just as many former QB's and players saying their back ups actually did get 1st team reps. It depends on the situation. There is no hard rule as teams decide whats best for their situation. In this case what people and former players are saying is that with only 2 rookies on your team as QB1 and QB2 it was a stupid and terrible coaching decision to not make sure your Rookie QB2 isnt ready to go and have at least some familiarity with the 1st team.

And lets talk about camp. KS went out of his way to tell the world it was an open 4 way QB competition once camp started. So draft position doesn't matter at that point. Dillion was getting 1st team reps from the start as QB3 behind flacco and pickett. Shaduer was the best QB in camp based on the numbers and accuracy. When he balled out against the panthers KS didnt even move him up the depth chart or let him get any reps. He should have been QB 2 behind flacco after that game if it was based on how he performed on the field.

Instead they brought in tyler huntley and gave him reps over Shaduer. They traded pickett before the regular season started after giving him valuable reps that should have went to Shaduer. And once flacco and all the vets were gone they still didnt give him any 1st team reps to prevent what everyone predicted would happen at some point if your rookie QB1 gets injured or is not able to play. That's not how the NFL works.. That's how a bad, poorly coached Browns team works.

You said yourself it depends on situation. When you have a rookie QB he's going to get all the 1st team reps. That's simply a fact and you guys can cry about it all you want, or cast conspiracies that make no sense. If you want to say Sanders was in a bad position I agree. But it's not because of some hatred of him via the coaching staff that WILLINGLY drafted him.

 

[Nigerianwonder]

Whats more likely. they're both rookies so they gave the qb1 the qb1 reps, or the coach conspired to self sabotage himself by playing the inferior quarterback and fukking off his position as a 1/32 top dog in the league.

To...teach Shadeur a lesson? spite him? I just fail to understand why the coach would willfully try to lose games by not playing his best option at qb.

Whats more likely.. The browns are a well coached competent organization that has a track record of developing QB's or they are a dumpster fire of an organization that makes terrible decisions, are poorly coached and every QB looks 10x better when they leave?

We know the answer. KS bet the house on dillon and now his job is in jeopardy because of it. Dillon was never a good QB and lacks the physical attributes and height to be successful. Everyone knew this prior to the draft. He cannot throw the ball down field which is why the offense has been stagnant. Dillon wasnt graded as a 3rd round pick in the draft either. Only a complete idiot, which KS is, would think gabriel was best QB on the team who gave them the best chance to win.

Sometime I wonder if yall realize the browns are 2-8 right now. If KS knew what he was doing he wouldnt be 5-22 over over the past 2 seasons.