Sheduer Sanders finally enters the game……. Immediately throws an interception

[Nigerianwonder]

You said yourself it depends on situation. When you have a rookie QB he's going to get all the 1st team reps. That's simply a fact and you guys can cry about it all you want, or cast conspiracies that make no sense. If you want to say Sanders was in a bad position I agree. But it's not because of some hatred of him via the coaching staff that WILLINGLY drafted him.

Explain how Gabriel got reps even as QB3? Shaduer is a rookie too. And once your vet flacco was traded they only had 2 active QB's. both are rookies. So you have to prepare a just in case scenario and at least give him some limited reps. Thats what a smart coach and team would do. The browns current record reflects their decision making.

And the coach didnt draft him. The GM drafted Shaduer. KS didnt want him and made that clear. Dillon was always his guy.

 

[yseJ]

23 and counting pages of debating of 1st team snaps and barely a single breakdown of his actual play and merits of his passes, decision making and play some folks are interested in creating in narrative than analyzing actual football but I didnt expect anything else out of such a polarizing player


Ive watched every play, he got a couple of effective scrambles, had one great backshoulder throw, one solid intermediate throw to a wide open guy.
definitely held onto the ball too long which was the story in college, and ran backwards and took sacks that some couldve been thrown away. which is again consistent with his college profile


Baltimore brought a lot of people on LoS and blitzed a lot. Lots of five, six man fronts. He needs to be more aware of blitz and hot reads. Thats what a lot of teams do now to QBs who are thrown into the fire. Used to be teams defenses played pretty vanilla with a new QB, but nowadays they wanna force the hand and force some mistakes.

 

[Deafheaven]

Whats more likely.. The browns are a well coached competent organization that has a track record of developing QB's or they are a dumpster fire of an organization that makes terrible decisions, are poorly coached and every QB looks 10x better when they leave?

We know the answer. KS bet the house on dillon and now his job is in jeopardy because of it. Dillon was never a good QB and lacks the physical attributes and height to be successful. Everyone knew this prior to the draft. He cannot throw the ball down field which is why the offense has been stagnant. Dillon wasnt graded as a 3rd round pick in the draft either. Only a complete idiot, which KS is, would think gabriel was best QB on the team who gave them the best chance to win.

Sometime I wonder if yall realize the browns are 2-8 right now. If KS knew what he was doing he wouldnt be 5-22 over over the past 2 seasons.

Exactly, its a dogshyt ass org and every qb will look bad there so why is Gabriel dogshyt (he is) and not a victim of said ineptitude

The coach and org being retards doesn't mean its some type of anti shadeur conspiracy. 32 teams passed on him 4 times, if he was a special talent that doesn't happen.

 

[Nigerianwonder]

Exactly, its a dogshyt ass org and every qb will look bad there so why is Gabriel dogshyt (he is) and not a victim of said ineptitude

The coach and org being retards doesn't mean its some type of anti shadeur conspiracy. 32 teams passed on him 4 times, if he was a special talent that doesn't happen.

Because Dillon cant throw downfield or see over the line. No amount of coaching can fix his physical limitations. The play calling is limited cause of Dillon's limitations. That dink and dunk offense KS is running to protect Dillons short comings is why they are losing games. That's why you go with Shaduer cause he can at least get the ball down field (Which he has shown even in the last game). I cant say the Browns would be great with Shaduer but I guarantee they would be better than 2-8 if they started him this season just off of the fact that the he opens up the offensive play calling.

 

[Deafheaven]

Because Dillon cant throw downfield or see over the line. No amount of coaching can fix his physical limitations. The play calling is limited cause of Dillon's limitations. That dink and dunk offense KS is running to protect Dillons short comings is why they are losing games. That's why you go with Shaduer cause he can at least get the ball down field (Which he has shown even in the last game). I cant say the Browns would be great with Shaduer but I guarantee they would be better than 2-8 if they started him this season just off of the fact that the he opens up the offensive play calling.

Is this before or after he takes 2-3 -15 yard sacks

Bro is a incredibly flawed and mid player who was able to throw to the best athlete in college his whole career in a offense built to make him look as good as possible with a shining green light to do whatever. Deion should have drilled in his head he a pocket qb at the next level but he still taking crazy sacks and bailing from pockets.

He would have to have a super computer for a brain to play like he wants to in the NFL, maybe he does and the last game was just a anomaly. If he ever is good it won't be because he can play hero ball he should model his game after Alex Smith, Pennington etc

 

[phillycavsfan]

Because Dillon cant throw downfield or see over the line. No amount of coaching can fix his physical limitations. The play calling is limited cause of Dillon's limitations. That dink and dunk offense KS is running to protect Dillons short comings is why they are losing games. That's why you go with Shaduer cause he can at least get the ball down field (Which he has shown even in the last game). I cant say the Browns would be great with Shaduer but I guarantee they would be better than 2-8 if they started him this season just off of the fact that the he opens up the offensive play calling.

I have to know, based on what? Gabriel sucks, but I've watched enough football to know it can get worse for sure.

Why is there this refusal to believe that this 5th round quarterback with an average arm and average athleticism and 14-13 college record will suck?

 

[Deafheaven]

I have to know, based on what? Gabriel sucks, but I've watched enough football to know it can get worse for sure.

Why is there this refusal to believe that this 5th round quarterback with an average arm and average athleticism and 14-13 college record will suck?

Well, hes only a 5th round pick because there was a league wide decree to not take him till the 5th round. He actually should have went over Dart and top 5 overall

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Whats more likely. they're both rookies so they gave the qb1 the qb1 reps, or the coach conspired to self sabotage himself by playing the inferior quarterback and fukking off his position as a 1/32 top dog in the league.

To...teach Shadeur a lesson? spite him? I just fail to understand why the coach would willfully try to lose games by not playing his best option at qb.

To prove he made the right choice. He chose DG. He for obvious reasons wants his pick to be right.

Coaches are wrong all the time. It doesn’t have to be a conspiracy. He fukked up.

 

[Nigerianwonder]

I have to know, based on what? Gabriel sucks, but I've watched enough football to know it can get worse for sure.

Why is there this refusal to believe that this 5th round quarterback with an average arm and average athleticism and 14-13 college record will suck?

Based on the fact that the only 2 wins the Browns got this season was cause of the Defense and special teams. The offense has been completely stagnant and irrelevant. Being able to take shots down field and tailoring the offense and play calling around Shaduers strengths would be a completely different looking offense. All dillon has done so far is hand the ball off or throw 2 yard passes. He hasnt shown anything special Shaduer couldnt do.

 

[Dorian Breh]

Well, hes only a 5th round pick because there was a league wide decree to not take him till the 5th round. He actually should have went over Dart and top 5 overall

 

[Copy Ninja]

All I’m saying is this: Stefanski has won Coach of the Year twice in the last five years. The guy can coach, and when he’s had even a competent QB, he’s proven he can get a team to the playoffs.

The idea that he’d tank a seven-figure a year job and his entire reputation just to “sabotage” a 5th-round pick is wild. That’s tinfoil-hat stuff. Could his read on Dillon vs. Shedeur be wrong? Sure—coaches miss evaluations all the time.

But no NFL head coach is intentionally sabotaging a potential franchise QB. Those guys are like the holy grail in this league.

Shedeur’s gonna get his shot. We’ll find out soon enough whether he’s the guy or not.

 

[Eye Cue DA COLI GAWD]

He's not good, which is why he fell to the 5th round. Gabriel isn't good either, which is why he fell to the 3rd round. Which is why Cleveland will draft a QB next year. Day 3 QBs almost never pan out. At that point you're hoping a guy can be a backup.

I already stated his performance was the product of being in a tough spot/situation. But he couldn't even look serviceable. Which to me, again, points to the fact that he's not an NFL starting QB. But lets be real: the cult told us this guy could come in at any moment and ball out. They built this myth and now have to deal with the expectations.

When guy he got time, he made above average NFL throws. Why you think the Ravens blitzed him and didn't waste their time doing the same to Gabriel.

That alone is a starting point that you're conveniently leaving out.

 

[phillycavsfan]

Based on the fact that the only 2 wins the Browns got this season was cause of the Defense and special teams. The offense has been completely stagnant and irrelevant. Being able to take shots down field and tailoring the offense and play calling around Shaduers strengths would be a completely different looking offense. All dillon has done so far is hand the ball off or throw 2 yard passes. He hasnt shown anything special Shaduer couldnt do.

No coach in their right state of mind is opening up their playback for a FIFTH round rookie. You can argue "maybe they will in a year or two" but why waste that investment of time when Cleveland can draft a 1st or 2nd round QB next spring who the franchise will have more trust in.

Nearly all rookie QBs are dink and dunk QB because it gives the team the widest margin of error. They don't know the playbook well enough and don't have enough experience reading NFL defenses.

 

[10bandz]

Explain how Gabriel got reps even as QB3? Shaduer is a rookie too. And once your vet flacco was traded they only had 2 active QB's. both are rookies. So you have to prepare a just in case scenario and at least give him some limited reps. Thats what a smart coach and team would do. The browns current record reflects their decision making.
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And the coach didnt draft him. The GM drafted Shaduer. KS didnt want him and made that clear. Dillon was always his guy.

they're just gonna keep juelzing around this. Dillon as QB3 was getting like 15-20% of 1st team reps in camp. They let go of 2 veteran QBs to start him even though he didn't earn it. Traded Flacco to a division rival and all. Bu bu bub b ut we want Sheduer to get special treatment. foh.

 

[10bandz]

23 and counting pages of debating of 1st team snaps and barely a single breakdown of his actual play and merits of his passes, decision making and play some folks are interested in creating in narrative than analyzing actual football but I didnt expect anything else out of such a polarizing player


Ive watched every play, he got a couple of effective scrambles, had one great backshoulder throw, one solid intermediate throw to a wide open guy.
definitely held onto the ball too long which was the story in college, and ran backwards and took sacks that some couldve been thrown away. which is again consistent with his college profile


Baltimore brought a lot of people on LoS and blitzed a lot. Lots of five, six man fronts. He needs to be more aware of blitz and hot reads. Thats what a lot of teams do now to QBs who are thrown into the fire. Used to be teams defenses played pretty vanilla with a new QB, but nowadays they wanna force the hand and force some mistakes.

I already posted Chase Daniels breakdown and he showed y'all that his teammates did him no favors. On the INT the WR didn't even run his route properly. And the oline is trash.