SMH...it is as if OutKast never existed in Atlanta

[JustCKing]

nah. dungeon family did not have a bigger presence. they didnt have many jams and werent as popular as theyre made out to be in hindsight. now if youre talking about their presence LOCALLY, then once again - thats not my argument.

as for the locality, so so def was atlanta-based. thats all that really matters. rocafella was basically a philly label for a while but it was still synonymous with new york first.

alot of people assumed da brat was from atlanta actually. especially thru the 1st run. and youre getting your timeframes mixed up. bow wow? ludacris? you sure you were around breh?

So So Def was Atlanta based, but it wasn't synonymous with Atlanta. OutKast/Dungeon Family will be associated with Atlanta Hip Hop before So So Def. Dungeon Family had a bigger presence than So So Def. "Playa's Ball", "Git Up, Git Out", "Southernplayalistic", "Benz or Beamer", "Dirty South", "Soul Food", "ATLiens", "Elevators", "They Don't Dance No More", "Black Ice", "Rosa Parks", "Skew It On The Bar-B" are all bigger than any Hip Hop song that you could bring up from So So Def.

Assuming Da Brat from Atlanta is not the same as being synonymous with Atlanta.

I'm not getting my time frames mixed up. "Welcome to Atlanta" is the first time people outside of Atlanta heard a rap song from So So Def repping Atlanta. My point is that the song isn't even associated with So So Def. It's considered a Ludacris song. Even still, in 2001 Dungeon Family was still dominant.

 

[MegaTronBomb!]

They're on the old school rap/r&b stations like 102.9 & 99.3 so GTFOH

Kast has influenced the A & the South significantly...BOB, Future, Killer Mike, BIG Krit, Dirty, Nappy Roots. BTW, their are a lot of rappers on the come up in ATL (Father, Two 9, Scotty ATL) who cite Kast as direct influences. Just because you don't hear an artist who sounds exactly like them on the radio doesn't mean the influence isn't there. Last year's OutKast concert in the A brought the WHOLE city out...that speaks directly to their influence culturally & musically

Outkast didn't have much influence on Atlanta or the South as a whole....the last 15 years of Atlanta rap will show you that.....Only places you seen people even reminiscent of Outkast in the South, were from places that had no scene to begin with BIG KRIT ( Mississippi) and Nappy Roots (Kentucky )

Houston,New Orleans,Memphis and Miami never had an Outkast influence.... cause they were pretty much anomalies within the South..... It's always been about sellin dope, whoopin ass, being a pimp/player, or music to dance to

You also have to remember, Outkast is one of the best selling hip hop groups ever...They could've done a show damn near anywhere and it would've brought everyone out..... they did Headline at Coachella last year too.

 

[MegaTronBomb!]

I dunno how old dudes are but So So Def/JD wasn't really taken that seriously initially. Not by my age bracket at least. Da Brat was a Snoop clone and JD wasn't exactly setting the world on fire on some rap shyt. Kriss Kross was seen as a kiddy group. I'd even go as far as to say their R&B shyt was better received than their rap, no idea what each sold though. I'm just going off what people were listening to.

Fred.

I've always seen So So Def as a Atlanta R&B label....that had successful rappers.

Bow Wow, Da Brat and Kriss Kross aint exactly a roster of rappers that's worth bragging about....... and i spent my birthday money of Totally Krossed Out

At this point... Jermaine Dupri's lasting legacy on Atlanta is that people who were signed to him, now have very popular Reality TV shows.

Looking back, he had an opportunity to make So So Def into a super label, and he wasted that shyt in epic fashion

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

The So So Def argument is kinda out of whack... JD himself used to complain that he wasn't given credit for being part of the Southern movement when it really started rolling. And rightfully, he wasn't because most of his acts weren't from the South, and he never really immersed himself in the Southern hip-hop scene until he wasn't getting recognized. He was doing Cali shyt, and then doin' his Puff Daddy shyt... once Southern hip-hop was really starting to dominate, he was vocal about not getting his recognition, and almost immediately after that he began making moves and collabing with those artists. But he wasn't exactly heavy into that scene until then.

I dunno how old dudes are but So So Def/JD wasn't really taken that seriously initially. Not by my age bracket at least. Da Brat was a Snoop clone and JD wasn't exactly setting the world on fire on some rap shyt. Kriss Kross was seen as a kiddy group. I'd even go as far as to say their R&B shyt was better received than their rap, no idea what each sold though. I'm just going off what people were listening to.

Fred.

you guys are completely missing my point, right along with @JustCKing im not talking about being immersed in the south or being "taken seriously.

all im saying is that regardless of what you thought of them, the first thing that came to mind when you mentioned atlanta back then was so so def. unless you were a backpack hippity-hopper or some sort of incent-burner.

THATS ALL IM SAYING!!!!!!!!!

So So Def was Atlanta based, but it wasn't synonymous with Atlanta. OutKast/Dungeon Family will be associated with Atlanta Hip Hop before So So Def. Dungeon Family had a bigger presence than So So Def. "Playa's Ball", "Git Up, Git Out", "Southernplayalistic", "Benz or Beamer", "Dirty South", "Soul Food", "ATLiens", "Elevators", "They Don't Dance No More", "Black Ice", "Rosa Parks", "Skew It On The Bar-B" are all bigger than any Hip Hop song that you could bring up from So So Def.

Assuming Da Brat from Atlanta is not the same as being synonymous with Atlanta.

I'm not getting my time frames mixed up. "Welcome to Atlanta" is the first time people outside of Atlanta heard a rap song from So So Def repping Atlanta. My point is that the song isn't even associated with So So Def. It's considered a Ludacris song. Even still, in 2001 Dungeon Family was still dominant.

half those songs you listed werent even that popular. some of em werent popular at all. so so def's singles catalog is way more popular than dungeon family's.

i was under the impression that we were talking about the '90s.

who the hell considered "welcome to atlanta" a ludacris song? a bunch of kids i guess.

They're on the old school rap/r&b stations like 102.9 & 99.3 so GTFOH

Kast has influenced the A & the South significantly...BOB, Future, Killer Mike, BIG Krit, Dirty, Nappy Roots. BTW, their are a lot of rappers on the come up in ATL (Father, Two 9, Scotty ATL) who cite Kast as direct influences. Just because you don't hear an artist who sounds exactly like them on the radio doesn't mean the influence isn't there. Last year's OutKast concert in the A brought the WHOLE city out...that speaks directly to their influence culturally & musically

aint none of these names ever popped off except for future.

outkast's influence on the south is far from significant.

 

[Chris Cool]

outkast was going platinum, goodie was going gold. both had a bunch of top 10 rap charts songs as well some top 40 appearances. wtf are you talking about bruh?

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

outkast was going platinum, goodie was going gold. both had a bunch of top 10 rap charts songs as well some top 40 appearances. wtf are you talking about bruh?

stop basing your perspective off of sales.

and if you insist on doing that, the least you can do is take the sales of the other parties mentioned into consideration, seeing that they sold more records than dungeon.

 

[Wild self]

i was being specific about the A having a literal strip club CULTURE. its not just a random strip joint in some industrial part of town like it is in every city. But its a THING for folks in the A. This is on people's to do list. and its not a some very small amt of people either. its a lot. dudes and chicks.

of course there's other things to do. but its a big enough thing for a lot of people to think its on the list as something to do. strip joints are in L.a. cali. people go. but its a very very very small minority of people going to strip joints outside of a bachelor party or something along those lines. nuccas in the A are going there for the wings like its a sports bar.

But one of the reason that became a THING is because the A wasnt known for having a bunch of nice sports bars back in the day before all the masses moved down there. So they are still stuck in that culture. Which is why the music that comes out of there even if its a transplant thats down there trying to hustle their music. it has to go thru the strip club first. then it hits the regular club. then it gets some run commercially. we're talking non trap boy music.

the rest of the south has things to do. but lets keep it 150. there's a reason everyone wants to live in NY, DC, Chi, LA, Seattle, these places. if it wasnt for the ridiculous cost of living in these places. these places would be where all the black folks would be living. the only reason we're still in the south like that is because on average we're some of the brokest people in the nation. so we can only afford so much when it comes the cost of living in a city. it is..what it is.

Its literally too much to do in L.A. so much so no one really cared enough to put a NFL team here because us citizens were not even trippin that hard. sure we love sports and the nfl like everyone else. but the owners were afraid that we wouldnt show up to the games cause we have a 1000 other things to get into . that is never the case with the south and a lot of midwest spots(not chi).

Thats true, but some cities down south are poppin, regardless.

 

[Wild self]

But it's sad that these young party bums never pay homage.

 

[JustCKing]

you guys are completely missing my point, right along with @JustCKing im not talking about being immersed in the south or being "taken seriously.

all im saying is that regardless of what you thought of them, the first thing that came to mind when you mentioned atlanta back then was so so def. unless you were a backpack hippity-hopper or some sort of incent-burner.

THATS ALL IM SAYING!!!!!!!!!





half those songs you listed werent even that popular. some of em werent popular at all. so so def's singles catalog is way more popular than dungeon family's.

i was under the impression that we were talking about the '90s.

who the hell considered "welcome to atlanta" a ludacris song? a bunch of kids i guess.





aint none of these names ever popped off except for future.

outkast's influence on the south is far from significant.

Every one of those songs I listed was bigger than any jam So So Def put out that. So So Def at the time had what? "Funkdafied" and "Give It 2 You". When Da Brat dropped her sophomore album, it was overlooked. Then JD came with 1472 and that had "You Get Dealt Wit", "Going Home With Me", "Sweetheart", and "Party Continues". Other than that, the song with Snoop from the Men In Black soundtrack is the only other So So Def rap record that got play. I'm not talking about my personal playlist, but what Hot 97.5 ATL (now 107.9) and V103 were playing. Every song I listed was bigger than any rap record So So Def put out.

Many consider "Welcome To Atlanta" a Luda song because it was also a bonus track on Word of Mouf.

 

[Chris Cool]

stop basing your perspective off of sales.

and if you insist on doing that, the least you can do is take the sales of the other parties mentioned into consideration, seeing that they sold more records than dungeon.

you were the one saying they weren't popular. how could you be less popular if you sold more records? go back and check your numbers bruh.

 

[Kyle C. Barker]

love outkast , but I fucced with these cats heavy too

wickeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

you were the one saying they weren't popular. how could you be less popular if you sold more records? go back and check your numbers bruh.

do you have any clue who and how many acts JD had his hands on?

and thats besides, the point because basing stuff off of just sales is for dweebs with no perspective on anything.

and i didnt say DF wasnt popular. i said they werent that popular. they were the epitomy of middle of the pack. it wasnt a love/hate thing with them. it was either you like it or ignore it. they really werent important. now as far as so so def goes, they stayed with multiple fresh new jams out that you couldnt ignore if you were urban & social. similar to bad boy. thats pretty much why people thought so so def first when they thought of atlanta. you could see people from other places rockin a so so def shirt. can say the same for DF.

and thats not a knock on dungeon family. im just saying they were a crew that were just there.

now as far as their hometown importance goes, i'll let the unbiased atlanta cats tell it.

 

[Chris Cool]

do you have any clue who and how many acts JD had his hands on?

and thats besides, the point because basing stuff off of just sales is for dweebs with no perspective on anything.

and i didnt say DF wasnt popular. i said they werent that popular. they were the epitomy of middle of the pack. it wasnt a love/hate thing with them. it was either you like it or ignore it. they really werent important. now as far as so so def goes, they stayed with multiple fresh new jams out that you couldnt ignore if you were urban & social. similar to bad boy. thats pretty much why people thought so so def first when they thought of atlanta. you could see people from other places rockin a so so def shirt. can say the same for DF.

and thats not a knock on dungeon family. im just saying they were a crew that were just there.

now as far as their hometown importance goes, i'll let the unbiased atlanta cats tell it.

again you make no sense. how are you a crew that's "just there" when your singles are charting and your records are selling? if they was just there nikkas would have flopped and we wouldn't even be talking about them today. of course you didn't see people rocking df shirts. you can't wear shyt that don't exist, nikkas didn't even refer to themselves as dungeon family yet.

 

[hex]

you guys are completely missing my point, right along with @JustCKing im not talking about being immersed in the south or being "taken seriously.

all im saying is that regardless of what you thought of them, the first thing that came to mind when you mentioned atlanta back then was so so def. unless you were a backpack hippity-hopper or some sort of incent-burner.

THATS ALL IM SAYING!!!!!!!!!

Breh....what?

So So Def had one R&B album out in 1993....the same year Outkast had "Player's Ball" out as a single.

If So So Def was the first thing that came to mind about ATL back then, then so is DF and by extension Outkast. At the very least equally so.

As far as So So Def in general....you gotta understand your perception of that era is filtered through your age. You're younger than me. So yeah, if you were 12-15 or younger, So So Def was probably the shyt. It wasn't any people my age over Da Brat's Snoop impersonation, or JD's struggle bars. People were impressed by "Player's Ball", though.

Fred.

 

[TheBEASTCOASTrevival]

Joey Badass is a hipster fakkit.

All that " oh he's so cool for appreciating the 90's for being so young " shyt went away now that he's in his 20's

But in regards to Atlanta specifically.... Outkast were never as influential in Atlanta or to the rest of rappers in Atlanta to have a lasting influence 20+ years later.

rich homie quan is a fakkit in general