SNAP Benefits in danger of halting due to government shutdown

[Wargames]

I don't believe them. All those people would vote for him a fourth time.

It's not like he was a huge success during the first term. Yet they still voted for him after he purposely raised their taxes in order to reduce his own.

It's a cult. Even the ones who say "something might not be right here" are still going to drink the Kool-Aid.

Its not Trump who should be worried by this its republicans in congress. They got to get through a primary and if they are in a purple district democrats. Don't get me started about the ones who are about to be fixed because Trump started a cold war with gerrymandering

 

[Creflo ½ Dollar]

What you aren't understanding is that Trump and them don't care about looking like the villain, over the past 8 years we've witnessed them doing all types of fuked up shyt, embracing being the bad guys, and throughout those 8 years, it didn't convince voters, the people in general why Trump and Republicans in power is bad for the country.

They still voted for him and his party, none of this is going to convince people to perceive Trump or Republicans differently because the ones who need the convincing simply don't care. We gotta stop thinking all this shyt will persuade Trumpers and MAGA to suddenly have an awakening, recognizing the error in their ways.

Blaming the people who got their hands tied is crazy

Yea about time the people do some about the bad guys then huh, if majority want the bad guys then what can we do. Malcom X said it ain’t nothing but the Ballot and the Bullet.

 

[OneManGang]

James Seidelman and John P. Watkins: Republicans exploit people’s biases to win elections

James Seidelman and John P. Watkins write that Republicans exploit people’s biases to win elections.

www.sltrib.com

Why Do Some Poor People Vote Against their Interests?

If head and heart are at odds, emotion often wins out.

www.psychologytoday.com

Bernie Sanders: 'Poor People Don't Vote...That's Just a Fact'

Sen. Sanders talks about the need to increase voter participation in America and partially blames some of his losses on "poor people" not voting.

www.nbcnews.com

We really do not speak enough or at all about poor people causing their own pain. Either voting for people that hate their guts or not voting at all, entrenching the dysfunction and income inequality they suffer.

Outside of my personal family I really have stopped caring about the plight of the poor. Why care about them when they do not even care about themselves?

Dapped 1000 times if I could. It’s one thing to be poor, you can’t always change or control your circumstances. But to be poor AND dumb? That’s more times than not a choice. Too many voters are idiots and this time I’m ok with causing some collateral damage. Country needs a huge wake up call

 

[num123]

I think it's really just an education Gap. You kind of have to treat them like children on some "forgive them, for they know not what they do".


With the exception of somebody getting into an accident or getting some critical illness, a lot of poor people lack the basic civic education that you would have to get from a good high school or a decent undergrad program. There is a reason why Trump says the uneducated love him

Not even an educational gap but an intelligence gap which spans economic classes, but hurts the poor even worse because of their position. Add in groupthink in regards to voting and voting for your interests to the equation and shyt is bad news.

But even then, if you are a fully functional human (assuming) you should understand what is politically important to you, your family and act on it. If you can not do that, even with people reaching out to you to show how not voting or voting Republican hurts you, then you deserve what you get.

 

[Unbothered]

Not the dems problem, u can’t keep letting them have their way, this the only leverage the dem as got right now. Trump and company ain’t playing fair, so u expect the dems to throw away their leverage to be the bigger person and get voted out, if they fold and healthcare go up it’s a high chance a lot of dems get voted out with fresh blood 1000%.

You talking like all of this ain’t Trump them issue, it’s their plan all along. Can’t let the bully win all the time. Enough is enough.

My thing is that sometimes to save people, you have to make tough choices and sacrifices, even if it comes at a cost. You can either stand by and watch people suffer, or you can do something that will likely cost you, but it's the chance you take to save people.

We know it's Trump and the GOP's issue but they don't care. They have no conscience, compassion, or qualms in seeing the damage they're doing, so people going through hardships due to the shutdown don't resonate with them.

Blaming the people who got their hands tied is crazy

Yea about time the people do some about the bad guys then huh, if majority want the bad guys then what can we do. Malcom X said it ain’t nothing but the Ballot and the Bullet.

It's not the Democrats' fault at all for what's happening, but I just don't think it's wise to sit on your hands as people suffer from a food crisis, potentially a home/shelter crisis, among other issues, even though the reason for doing so has merit. Yes, people will be upset that you folded, but at the same time, they'll see that you did it for a greater reason, to prevent people from suffering any longer.

At the beginning of the shutdown, when things weren't so bad, the Democrats' position of standing still made sense, but as days and weeks have gone by with no signs of resolution anywhere, and people are starting to feel the pain, holding out longer is risky for millions of people's livelihoods and well-being. It was a noble act but at this stage of the shutdown, they may need to rethink their strategy.

 

[O.Red]

I think it's really just an education Gap. You kind of have to treat them like children on some "forgive them, for they know not what they do".


With the exception of somebody getting into an accident or getting some critical illness, a lot of poor people lack the basic civic education that you would have to get from a good high school or a decent undergrad program. There is a reason why Trump says the uneducated love him

Y'all give education too much credit. There are plenty of educated people that support Trump. This is all about incentive structures

Whiteness as a religion has worked for centuries. The incentives have fed white people, rich and poor. That's the underlying meta. There's no amount of education that transcends following a system that benefits you. And yes the inherent cognitive dissonance is one of those benefits

We're at a point where greed and whiteness/racism have diverged, because you can't maximize capitalism being racist. This has left most whites locked out of the house. But the residuals of white supremacy's incentives still remain. And thus you have white people grasping on to the few crumbs of whiteness that remain

They could have a re do of the election tomorrow and I can just about guarantee Trump would still be re elected. That's not an "education" issue. It's something far more primal

 

[valet]

Are the partial benefits going out or not? Because I'm seeing some reports saying its not going out until the shutdown is over.

 

[Unbothered]

Are the partial benefits going out or not? Because I'm seeing some reports saying its not going out until the shutdown is over.

Yes, partial SNAP benefits will be distributed, as to when that all depends on how your state runs its system for SNAP benefits; some people could receive theirs within this week, but others could take weeks or even months, but it all depends on the state's computer system. The reason is that some states are using newer technology, whereas others are using old computer software from the 90s and early 00s to manage SNAP funding, etc.

Another thing to point out is that had Trump and his administration agreed to send full benefits, recipients would've gotten it quicker, since States wouldn't need to update and recalculate the reductions, but since they agreed to partial, it'll take time for some states to recalculate and program the reduced amount into the system for November, as well as adding the backpay to potential December payments.

So apparently there was some confusion made by Trump today after he made comments on Truth Social...

After Trump post on SNAP funds sparks confusion, White House says administration is complying with court order

President Trump wrote on Truth Social that federal food benefits "will be given only when the Radical Left Democrats open up government, which they can easily do, and not before!"

www.cbsnews.com

Washington — The White House clarified Tuesday that the Trump administration is complying with a federal court order that requires it to tap into a contingency fund to provide food benefits to tens of millions of Americans after President Trump said the aid from the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program will go out only when Democrats vote to end the ongoing government shutdown.

The reassurance from the White House came after the president wrote in a post on Truth Social that SNAP benefits "will be given only when the Radical Left Democrats open up government, which they can easily do, and not before!"

Mr. Trump's comment raised questions as to whether the administration would abide by a Rhode Island judge's order to use reserve funds to issue federal food benefits to Americans enrolled in SNAP. Administration lawyers told the court Monday that it would tap into the contingency pot to issue reduced food stamp payments for November. The Justice Department said in a filing that the Department of Agriculture would provide states with information necessary for calculating the benefits due to each eligible household, which would allow states to then begin disbursements.

Agriculture Secretary Brooke Rollins said on X that her agency sent that guidance to states Tuesday morning, but warned it would be a "cumbersome process" that could result in a weeks-long delay in food stamp payments going out recipients.

"If the government opens, families get their FULL benefit much more quickly," she wrote.

Asked about Mr. Trump's comments by CBS News senior White House correspondent Weijia Jiang, White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt said the administration is "fully complying" with the court's order, but stressed that "it's going to take some time" for recipients to receive the payments.

"We are digging into a contingency fund that is supposed to be for emergencies, catastrophes, for war, and the president does not want to have to tap into this fund in the future," she said.

Leavitt said that in order for beneficiaries to receive their full benefits, Democrats need to vote to fund federal agencies and end the shutdown. Administration officials have said fully covering those allotments for November would require roughly $9 billion, but there is only about $4.6 billion in the contingency fund that can be used to cover this month's benefit payments.

"Democrats are holding it up and making it difficult for the administration to get those payments out the door," she said.

The government shutdown entered its 35th day Tuesday and is on track to become the longest in U.S. history later in the day, surpassing the lapse in federal funding that occurred during Mr. Trump's first term.

More than 42 million Americans rely on SNAP to purchase food each month. The program is funded by the federal government and administered by states, which distribute the nutrition assistance to eligible participants. But the Department of Agriculture said late last month that the food aid would not go out to recipients on Nov. 1 because "the well has run dry" amid the government shutdown.

The notice followed the Trump administration's decision not to use roughly $5 billion in contingency funds to keep the benefits flowing to Americans who rely on SNAP for November. The Department of Agriculture told states in a memo last month that the reserve funds were "not legally available to cover regular benefits."

Ahead of the cutoff of food benefits at the start of the month, a group of 25 states and the District of Columbia, and a coalition of municipalities and nonprofit organizations, filed two different lawsuits claiming the administration's decision to halt food stamp payments was illegal. They sought court orders requiring the Department of Agriculture to use the contingency fund for this month's benefits.

In one of the cases, U.S. District Judge John McConnell on Friday ordered the Trump administration to dip into the fund to cover the lapse in SNAP payments caused by the shutdown. The judge, who sits in Rhode Island, gave the government until Monday to file a status update about the distribution of the money.

its filing with McConnell submitted Monday, the Justice Department said the Agriculture Department would comply with his order and "fulfill its obligation to expend the full amount of SNAP contingency funds today" by providing state agencies with information about reduced SNAP payments.

Patrick Penn, a Department of Agriculture official who oversees SNAP, said in a declaration that the administration "intends to deplete SNAP contingency funds completely and provide reduced SNAP benefits for November 2025." He told the court there is roughly $4.6 billion in the reserve for the November payments, which would be used to cover half of eligible households' allotments.

But he warned the aid would likely not go out immediately because of possible "payment errors and significant delays" due to variations among state eligibility systems, which have to be adjusted for the reduced payments.

Lawyers for the nonprofits and municipalities have asked McConnell to issue a new order compelling the Trump administration to provide the full SNAP benefits.

 

[Premeditated]

Imma be honest breh....

This is my first time every hearing of this program called SNAP

I'm so far removed from brokeness....

what are all these terms?

 

[Rekkapryde]

Are the partial benefits going out or not? Because I'm seeing some reports saying its not going out until the shutdown is over.

He said fukk the courts basically. Law don’t apply to me

 

[Unbothered]

Imma be honest breh....

This is my first time every hearing of this program called SNAP

I'm so far removed from brokeness....

what are all these terms?

Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program.

It was formally known as “Food Stamps” up until around 2008.

It's still commonly referred to as such by some people, but it's the same thing, program.

 

[Robbie3000]

James Seidelman and John P. Watkins: Republicans exploit people’s biases to win elections

James Seidelman and John P. Watkins write that Republicans exploit people’s biases to win elections.

www.sltrib.com

Why Do Some Poor People Vote Against their Interests?

If head and heart are at odds, emotion often wins out.

www.psychologytoday.com

Bernie Sanders: 'Poor People Don't Vote...That's Just a Fact'

Sen. Sanders talks about the need to increase voter participation in America and partially blames some of his losses on "poor people" not voting.

www.nbcnews.com

We really do not speak enough or at all about poor people causing their own pain. Either voting for people that hate their guts or not voting at all, entrenching the dysfunction and income inequality they suffer.

Outside of my personal family I really have stopped caring about the plight of the poor. Why care about them when they do not even care about themselves?

It’s a thankless job caring about the poor. None of my poor friends that I went high school vote. A couple of them are very proud of not voting.

 

[Rekkapryde]

It’s a thankless job caring about the poor. None of my poor friends that I went high school vote. A couple of them are very proud of not voting.

But then wanna complain

 

[beenz]

I'm getting real sick of these red hats on social media constantly arguing that the democrats are to blame for the continued shut down. then when I give a rebuttal with the actual facts, they resort to name calling propoganda memes.

we really are dealing with some mental midgets when it comes to MAGA.

 

[valet]

He said fukk the courts basically. Law don’t apply to me

His press secretary said he's referring to future SNAP. Who knows. Guess we'll see.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5588745-trump-court-order-snap/