So apparently this is "Kanye West's dream team"

[Wildin]

Stop comparing this nikka to MJ. Not in the same stratosphere. Creatively. Talent wise or anything.

Dudes need to cut that shyt out. Ever since it was revealed that Ye works with a million people for his albums the defense has been..."well, Mike did the same shyt". When did it become ok to mention Mike and Ye in the same breath? And I still mess with Ye musically...but c'mon dog.

Ya'll realize MJ and Kanye do the same thing right? Make music albums

They are in the same stratosphere, same league, same game.

Now Britney Spears or someone who is an 'artist' who just shows up to a studio and someone hands her the lyrics and all she does is have a mediocre singing voice and fledging looks but gets paid to be an entertainer aren't in the same stratosphere, league,or even game.

 

[mr.africa]

too many cooks in the kitchen. that most probably contributed to the lack of cohesiveness of the project
@ some of the juvenile and downright terrible lyrics considering he had such a large team at his disposal!!

 

[It is a mystery]

Kid Cudi at the top of the team as he should be:smugcudi:

 

[The Mad Titan]

No wonder real friends and 30 hours are my favorite tracks on the album

 

[Mac Casper]

At one point Kanye was a part of someone else's team

 

[spliz]

Ya'll realize MJ and Kanye do the same thing right? Make music albums

They are in the same stratosphere, same league, same game.

Now Britney Spears or someone who is an 'artist' who just shows up to a studio and someone hands her the lyrics and all she does is have a mediocre singing voice and fledging looks but gets paid to be an entertainer aren't in the same stratosphere, league,or even game.

No they don't and no they're not.

 

[SirBiatch]

Comparing Kanye to Michael Jackson

Kanye and Kendrick stans gon stan

Ya'll realize MJ and Kanye do the same thing right? Make music albums

They are in the same stratosphere, same league, same game.

Now Britney Spears or someone who is an 'artist' who just shows up to a studio and someone hands her the lyrics and all she does is have a mediocre singing voice and fledging looks but gets paid to be an entertainer aren't in the same stratosphere, league,or even game.

Kanye is Britney Spears

 

[spliz]

Kanye and Kendrick stans gon stan



Kanye is Britney Spears for listeners who think they're getting MJ

This nikka don't even realize it. Kanye is a rapper that don't write. A producer that don't make beats. And a genius who can't come up with anything on his own. Lol. Mike's voice was a one of a kind talent. Once writing is gone for Kanye. fukk is he doing? U can't even say he has great delivery. Cause he doesn't. A nikka like Dre or even Birdman is better at delivering other peoples rhymes. U can't say he's not a producer in the "traditional" sense. Cause he doesn't understand arrangements like a "traditional" producer would. Dre is ten times better when it comes to that. Let's call Kanye a fukkin genius for doing nothing. While ignoring a hip hop producer who can do some shyt like this.

 

[TheDarceKnight]

I've always considered myself a big Kanye head but for those that have followed a lot of his studio work from MBDTF and beyond, is this something that just progressed more and more?

Unless the liner notes and my memory are wrong, he basically produced all of COllege Dropout, with Evidence from Dilated People's doing the Last Call beat, and then John Legend playing some keys here and there.

On Late Registration it seemed similar overall. he did most of the beats, with Just Blaze doing one, but the main difference was bringing in Jon Brion to add lots more live instrumentation to the album.

Graduation seemed like a step forwards. More outside producers involved (Nottz, DJ Toomp, Timbo) an then way more Writers involved (not just lyrics, but song writers). But still had some bare bones joints and joints without a ton of outside help.

MBDTF is when it started getting crazy, and you'd see Kanyem RZA, No ID, Mike Dean, and more all working on one beat. From then on is when I really starting hearing Mike Dean's name a lot more, and Watch The Throne, Cruel Summer, Yeezus, and T.L.O.P seem to have followed that pattern?

 

[Techniec]

dre got 5 people and he makes classics

Kanye got 50 and he drops some faccotry n fukkery

 

[TheDarceKnight]

wow @ havoc.

That made me really happy. He did the drums on Famous and Fearless.

 

[spliz]

That made me really happy. He did the drums on Famous and Fearless.

Real Friends.

 

[FrostBite]

too many cooks in the kitchen.

The "too many cooks in the kitchen" isn't really valid, considering how many people contributed to other Kanye albums. In fact, take a look at the liner notes of probably any of your favorite albums and it's going to look something like this.

Late Registration, for example...

Personnel
Credits adapted from the album's liner notes.[8]

Instrumentalists

• Susan Chatman – violin (tracks 10, 17 and 19)
• Daphne Chen – violin (tracks 10, 17 and 19)
• Terry Glenny – violin (tracks 10, 17 and 19)
• Marisa Kuney – violin (tracks 10, 17 and 19)
• Victoria Lanier – violin (tracks 10, 17 and 19)
• Alyssa Park – violin (tracks 10, 17 and 19)
• Julie Rogers – violin (tracks 10, 17 and 19)
• Audrey Solomon – violin (tracks 10, 17 and 19)
• Amy Wickman – violin (tracks 10, 17 and 19)
• Eric Gorfain – violin, strings orchestration (tracks 10, 17 and 19)
• Piotr Jandula – viola (tracks 10, 17 and 19)
• David Sage – viola (tracks 10, 17 and 19)
• Tom Tally – viola (tracks 10, 17 and 19)
• Marda Todd – viola (tracks 10, 17 and 19)
• Richard Dodd – cello (tracks 10, 17 and 19)
• Mathew Cooker – cello (tracks 10, 17 and 19)
• Armen Ksadjikian – cello (tracks 10, 17 and 19)
• Victor Lawrence – cello (tracks 10, 17 and 19)
• Stephen Holtman – trombone (tracks 10 and 17)
• Andrew Martin – trombone (tracks 10 and 17)
• Bruce Otto – bass trombone (tracks 10 and 17)
• Gary Grant – flugelhorn, trumpet (tracks 10 and 17)
• Dan Fornero – flugelhorn, trumpet (tracks 10 and 17)
• Denise Briese – double bass (tracks 10 and 17)
• Francis Senger – double bass (tracks 10 and 17)
• Jason Torreano – double bass (tracks 10 and 17)
• Rick Todd – French horn (tracks 10 and 17)
• Dave Tozer – guitar (tracks 13 and 20)
• Brad Warnaar – French horn (tracks 10 and 17)
• Tom Craskey – additional keyboards (tracks 13 and 20)
• Ervin Pope – keyboards (tracks 9 and 17)
• Robert Glasper - piano

Production

• Kanye West – executive producer, primary artist, producer (all tracks except 3)
• Devo Springsteen – producer (track 13)
• Richard Reitz – recording engineer (track 6)
• Brian Sumner – recording engineer (tracks 8, 9, and 21)
• Anthony Kilhoffer – recording engineer (tracks 3-4, 6, 8-14, 16-17, 19-20)
• Tom Biller – recording engineer (tracks 2, 4, 11-14, 16-17), string recording engineer (10, 17, 19-20)
• Andrew Dawson – recording engineer (tracks 2-4, 6-8, 16-17, 21), mixing (8, 16, 17, and 19)
• Mike Mo – assistant recording engineer (tracks 2-4, 6, 10, 14)
• Ryan Neuschafer – assistant recording engineer (tracks 9-12)
• James Auwarter – assistant recording engineer (tracks 9-12)
• Nate Connelly – assistant recording engineer (tracks 2-4, 6, 9-10, 14, 21)
• Taylor Dow – assistant recording engineer (tracks 2, 7, 16, 17, and 19)
• Matt Green – assistant recording engineer (tracks 3, 4, 8, 10, 16, and 17)
• Jon Brion – brass arrangement (tracks 10 and 17), producer (2, 4, 9-11, 13-14, 16-17, 20), string arrangements (10, 17, and 19)
• Warryn Campbell – producer (track 14)
• Just Blaze – producer (track 3)
• Kyambo Joshua – executive producer
• Doug Joswick – package production
• Mike Dean – mixing (tracks 2-4, 6, 7)
• Craig Bauer – mixing (tracks 9-12)
• Manny Marroquin – mixing (tracks 13 and 20)
• Kris Yiengst – art coordinator, photography
• Sarah A. Friedman – photography
• Louis Marino – creative director
• Eric Weissman – sample clearance
• Vlado Meller – mastering

Vocalists

• Paul Wall – featured artist (track 6)
• Cam'ron – featured artist (track 19)
• Brandy – featured artist (track 10)
• Common – featured artist (track 7)
• Consequence – featured artist (track 19)
• Lupe Fiasco – featured artist (track 3)
• The Game – featured artist (track 8)
• GLC – featured artist (track 6)
• Jay-Z – featured artist (track 13)
• Adam Levine – featured artist (track 2)
• Nas – featured artist (track 14)
• Really Doe – featured artist (track 14)
• Jamie Foxx – featured artist (track 4)
• Tony Williams – additional vocals (track 9)
• Charlie Wilson – additional vocals (track 8)
• Keyshia Cole – additional vocals (track 8)
• DeRay Davis – additional vocals (track 1)
• John Legend – additional vocals (tracks 16 and 17)

 

[RTF]

nikka. This is hip hop. U can't compare musical genre's. If Mike didn't write one line. The nikka still had one of a kind vocals. Dancing ability. nikka literally created his own dance style. Sort of like what Bruce Lee did with Jeet Kune Do. Did revolutionized music videos. Broke boundaries for black culture and made it so cats like Kanye could have a platform to go on his little rants. nikka. What the fukk does Kanye have if he ain't writing his rhymes? Ain't making his beats? Ain't coming up with his own ideas? And needs a million people to help him make a mediocre product?

Of course you can compare musical genres. Kanye doesn't make music with one man, an MPC and some software.


Every album ends up sounding exactly like wherever Kanye is in life (or whatever he's trying to project is his life). There's no denying he's the creator and driving force. Much like MJ or Arcade Fire. His albums might not be as good but his ambition is grand.

 

[TheDarceKnight]

This nikka don't even realize it. Kanye is a rapper that don't write. A producer that don't make beats. And a genius who can't come up with anything on his own. Lol. Mike's voice was a one of a kind talent. Once writing is gone for Kanye. fukk is he doing? U can't even say he has great delivery. Cause he doesn't. A nikka like Dre or even Birdman is better at delivering other peoples rhymes. U can't say he's not a producer in the "traditional" sense. Cause he doesn't understand arrangements like a "traditional" producer would. Dre is ten times better when it comes to that. Let's call Kanye a fukkin genius for doing nothing. While ignoring a hip hop producer who can do some shyt like this.

What bugs me out is what changed? Even in his early days he had people that he'd pay to go record shopping for him, but he still definitely got busy on the MPC and he definitely wrote at least a good portion of his raps. He was pretty much a self contained artist. He's always liked producers like Dre and Quincy Jones that know how to bring others into the picture, but if he wanted to, he could've done every album like College Dropout.

That was one of the things that made me like Dropout so much at the time. Even though it had flaws, I admired that someone basically brought a whole vision to life from scratch, including the album artwork/liner notes. Obviously Rhymefest helped on Jesus Walks and I'm sure Consequence and GLC helped here and there, but there's no question he's created a lot of material also.

If he really is having most of his raps written and most of his beats done by others, that seems like going backwards?