So apparently this is "Kanye West's dream team"

[Still Benefited]

I don't think people would be mad at Kanye if he was held in proper perspective,there is a reason Dr Dre's name never comes up when talking about goat rappers...But fans and media seem hell bent on mentioning Kanyes name in with true goats,and Kanye likes putting himself in that mix too,nawl nawl nawl nikka....You can share space with the Dr Dre's and Eazy E's of the world,which is also good company be in....but proper perspective imo.

 

[MikeyC]

Some people will always think that because they've seen people like souljah boy spit into a mic with a beat he made on FL studios and put on YouTube that the entire process is that simple and the entire recording industry. Which consists of writers, composers, engineers, vocalists etc and the people who dare use them lack artistic integrity.

This is exactly what SirBiatch's take on music is.

 

[It is a mystery]

actually if you knew how to read a chart its cause he had the least involvement in the project (out of the people listed), while the people on the bottom have the most involvement.

They could have developed the chart in any way they pleased in order to relay the information. They decided in a manner in which Cudi would be positioned at the top
Be mad at the chart maker, not me :smugcudi:

 

[Buggsy Mogues]

It is kinda funny to me how the media pushes this narrative that Kanye is egotistical and all this, but he's got two songs on his album that are basically solo tracks for other artists (Kelly Price/Chance on Ultralight Beam and Bhris Brown on Waves).

 

[TheDarceKnight]

I guess that's where we are different. To me College Dropout is an album where the ideas on it are great. But there isn't the depth of skill or knowledge to really pull it all off.

Even then John Legend played all of the piano on that album. Miri Bin Ari arranged, produced and performed all teh violins on that record. He had multiple dudes play guitar, multiple dudes on keyboard. He had help with the rhymes.

Fair enough. Somewhere in this thread I pointed out that Evidence produced Last Call and John Legend did the keys on joints like Get Em High.

Rhymefest penned on Jesus Walks. But in general I like that it wasn't 100% polished. He was trying to prove a lot on that album, and the fact that you can hear punch ins and that there are too many skits and that there are some weak spots where it's not able to hold all the weight of its own ambitions was always charming. I thought in a weird way it was something to appreciate about the album.

 

[spliz]

no offense, but you're a pop fan masquerading as a hip hop fan

I don't give a fukk about The Beatles, and this is a hip hop forum. Why the fukk do you stans always reach for lofty ass examples that aren't even hip hop for hip hop conversations?

Son I'm damn near done arguing the shyt cause they don't care enough about or understand hip hop enough to "get it". And I LOVE other genres of music. And it don't seem they love the other genres enough to respect the artists and not compare them to a hack like Kanye. Overall I think it's a false understanding of music and these artists overall.

 

[spliz]

I think hip-hop fans have a very misguided notion that their favorite rappers just go into the studio and create tracks with just a producer and call it a day. The reality is there are many hands in the process on any given album. Just because somebody brings in help doesn't take away from their genius. That would be like saying Steve Jobs wasn't a genius because he didn't design every detail of the iPhone himself. Here are a couple albums I pulled at random...All Eyez On Me and The Blueprint.

2Pac - All Eyez On Me

Personnel
Credits for All Eyez on Me adapted from Allmusic and CD booklet.

• 2Pac — associate producer, composer, primary artist, producer
• Suge Knight — executive producer
• Norris Anderson — production manager
• Delmar "Daz" Arnaud — composer
• Dave Aron — engineer, mixing
• Big Syke — featured artist
• Larry Blackmon — composer
• David Blake — composer, mixing, producer, talk box
• B-Legit — featured artist
• Bobcat — composer
• Calvin Broadus — composer
• R. Brown — composer
• C-BO — featured artist
• Larry Chatman — associate producer
• Rick Clifford — engineer
• G. Clinton, Jr. — composer
• George Clinton — composer, featured artist, vocals
• Nanci Fletcher - featured artist, vocals
• Dorothy Coleman — background vocals
• W. Collins — composer
• Kenn Cox — composer
• CPO — featured artist
• Woody Cunningham — composer
• Tommy D. Daugherty — engineer
• Danny Boy — featured artist
• Dat nikka Daz — featured artist, producer
• Robert Diggs — composer
• DJ Pooh — composer, mixing, producer
• Dr. Dre — composer, featured artist, mixing, producer
• Tha Dogg Pound — featured artist
• Nate Dogg — featured artist, vocals
• Dramacydal — featured artist
• Dru Down — featured artist
• Norman Durham — composer
• E-40 — featured artist
• Ebony — background vocals
• Bobby Ervin — composer, producer
• Fatal — featured artist
• Brian Gardner — mastering
• Michael Geiser — associate engineer
• Yaki Kadafi — featured artist
• Nathaniel Hale — composer
• C. Haskins — composer
• Johnny Jackson — composer
• Jewell — featured artist
• Johnny "J" — mixing, producer
• Puff Johnson — background vocals

• Jojo the Elf — featured artist
• E. Jordan — composer
• Kurupt — featured artist
• Alvin McGill — associate engineer, engineer
• Method Man — featured artist
• Michel'le — featured artist
• Mike Mosley — assistant engineer, composer, mixing, producer
• Nanci Fletcher - featured artist
• Shirley Murdock — composer
• Ken Nahoum — photography
• Outlawz — featured artist
• J.P. Pennington — composer
• Prince — composer
• George Pryce — art direction, design
• QD3 — composer
• Rappin' 4-Tay — featured artist
• Doug Rasheed — composer, producer
• Danny Ray — background vocals
• Redman — featured artist
• Richie Rich — featured artist
• Rick Rock — producer
• Patrick Shevelin — associate engineer
• Carl "Butch" Small — percussion
• Stacey Smallie — background vocals
• C. Smith — composer
• Henry "Hendogg" Smith — illustrations
• Snoop Doggy Dogg — featured artist, vocals
• Troy Staton — engineer
• D. Stevens — composer
• E. Stevens — composer
• D. Stewart - composer
• The Storm — featured artist
• DeVanté Swing — composer, mixing, producer
• Roy Tesfay — production co-ordination
• Rahiem Prince Thomas — composer
• S. Thomas — composer
• Sean "Barney" Thomas — keyboards
• Larry Troutman — composer
• Roger Troutman — composer, featured artist, talk box, unknown contributor role
• Natasha Walker — background vocals
• Carlos Warlick — engineer, mixing
• Barbara Warren — stylist, unknown contributor role
• Bruce Washington — composer
• Danette Williams — background vocals
• Barbara Wilson — background vocals
• Nanci Fletcher - background vocals
• Keston Wright — engineer

Jay Z - The Blueprint

Personnel

• Jay-Z - performer, executive producer
• Eminem - performer, producer, mixing
• Slick Rick - vocals
• Q-Tip - vocals
• Biz Markie - vocals
• Demme Ulloa - vocals
• Schevise Harrell - vocals
• Lauren Leek - vocals
• Keon Bryce - vocals
• Stephanie Miller - vocals
• Michele Mills - vocals
• Josey Scott - vocals
• Victor Flowers - organ
• Kanye West - producer, vocals
• Just Blaze - producer
• Bink - producer
• Timbaland - producer
• Poke & Tone - producer
• DJ Head - drum programming

• Damon Dash - executive producer
• Kareem "Biggs" Burke - executive producer
• Gimel "Young Guru" Katon - engineer, mixing
• Jimmy Douglas - engineer, mixing
• Rajon Wright - assistant engineer
• Shane Woodley - assistant engineer
• Jason Goldstein - mixing
• Richard Huredia - mixing
• Supa Engineer "Duro" - mixing
• Doug Wilson - mixing
• Tony Vanias - recording director
• Tony Dawsey - mastering
• Lenny S. - A&R
• Rob Mitchell - A&R
• Kyambo Joshua - A&R
• Darcell Lawrence - A&R
• Jason Noto - art direction
• Jonathan Mannion - photography
• Della Valle - images

are u nikkas serious? Do u understand that damn list consist of the producers of the tracks and the damn artists that the producers sampled as well. Also the features on the album. U nikkas have NO idea how this shyt works and to make it worse it's irrelevant considering Pac ain't a fukkin producer. U nikkas just looking at a list of names and see its a long list and posting it like it's some kind of exposal or y'all have some kind of point. I'm starting to fukkin hate the booth.

 

[TheDarceKnight]

It is kinda funny to me how the media pushes this narrative that Kanye is egotistical and all this, but he's got two songs on his album that are basically solo tracks for other artists (Kelly Price/Chance on Ultralight Beam and Bhris Brown on Waves).

I mean there's no question that's he got a massive ego though. Which is fine. But in 2001 he was signing autographed copies of the blueprint by circling every single song he produced, putting his initials beside them, and handwriting in the girls girls girls remix in the blank space at the end of the liner notes.

In 2002 when he was recording I a See Now with Little Brother down here in NC he was playing Dropout songs and saying "that song was so amazing we need to hear it again" and starting it over. And when someone poked fun at him for not being able to keep his breath during a 16 he said "my music is from the soul do it's supposed to take my breath away".

His platform for bigger but he always thought he was the most talented guy on earth. I really believe that. Just get in YouTube and watch Dave Chappelle or Talib Kweli telling old early 00's stories about him.

When I first saw him live he kept replaying the Jay-Z Lucifer joint for the first 10-20 seconds just so the crowd could keep hearing the part at the beginning where Jay calls him a genius.

 

[RTF]

Also you need to mention cats back in the day got help but didn't give credit. Even on The Blueprint - Kanye wrote and is on the hook of Never Change, humming in Heart of the City and he isn't given additional songwriting credit.

Difference between Kanye and Drake is Kanye has always been looked at as an artist firstly. We know he made beats dolo. We heard how he would randomly start jumping on tables and rapping. Before his first studio album he was already on his way to legendary. With Kanye you know he's involved in the whole process. 9 times outta 10 when he's given a beat from another producer he'll change it. You figure he got the best to Real Friends and thought - man we need some hard Mobb drums on this shyt. Where's Hav? We've seen him overlook albums from Kid Cudi, Common and Jay. His touch is on it. With Drake. He doesn't have that history. I still like Drake but I'm unsure who is he driving force behind Ovo. But I still enjoy his work.

 

[BodeineBrazy]

are u nikkas serious? Do u understand that damn list consist of the producers of the tracks and the damn artists that the producers sampled as well. Also the features on the album. U nikkas have NO idea how this shyt works and to make it worse it's irrelevant considering Pac ain't a fukkin producer. U nikkas just looking at a list of names and see its a long list and posting it like it's some kind of exposal or y'all have some kind of point. I'm starting to fukkin hate the booth.

i actually have an idea how this shyt works.

Every album has multiple contributions. This Kanye thing is not unique one bit. Its been like this since the beginning of time.

EVERY ALBUM WORKS THIS WAY. Thats why you have nikkas like Superb saying that they wrote Supreme Clientle or gillie saying he wrote for Wayne. this is why every album comes with a booklet and credits. Its not just producers. it's SOOOOOOOOOOOO many parts to making a successful record. Or a shytty record. dont matter, there are people that come in and help on every front. this is not fukking rocket science.

 

[spliz]

i actually have an idea how this shyt works.

Every album has multiple contributions. This Kanye thing is not unique one bit. Its been like this since the beginning of time.

EVERY ALBUM WORKS THIS WAY. Thats why you have nikkas like Superb saying that they wrote Supreme Clientle or gillie saying he wrote for Wayne. this is why every album comes with a booklet and credits. Its not just producers. it's SOOOOOOOOOOOO many parts to making a successful record. Or a shytty record. dont matter, there are people that come in and help on every front. this is not fukking rocket science.

nikka how u gonna tell me? I RUN IN THESE CIRCLES bruh. Leave that bolded shyt for urself. nikkas don't get credited for fukkin GHOSTWRITING anyway. I know this cause I used to be ghostwriter. YOU don't know what u talkin bout. Posting credits don't mean shyt. Cause it consists of people who literally have ANYTHING to do with the record. Down to the Artists the producer sampled for the record if there's a sample in the beat. Or if a nikka gives a line in a hook or a word or some stupid trivial shyt. Credits don't tell the whole story. Especially when it comes to hip hop. Which is why I said what I said to the dude I quoted. Wait a sec. Do u have an alias or somethin? Cause I didn't even quote u in the first place for u to respond like I did.

 

[BodeineBrazy]

nikka how u gonna tell me? I RUN IN THESE CIRCLES bruh. Leave that bolded shyt for urself. nikkas don't get credited for fukkin GHOSTWRITING anyway. I know this cause I used to be ghostwriter. YOU don't know what u talkin bout. Posting credits don't mean shyt. Cause it consists of people who literally have ANYTHING to do with the record. Down to the Artists the producer sampled for the record if there's a sample in the beat. Or if a nikka gives a line in a hook or a word or some stupid trivial shyt. Credits don't tell the whole story. Especially when it comes to hip hop. Which is why I said what I said to the dude I quoted. Wait a sec. Do u have an alias or somethin? Cause I didn't even quote u in the first place for u to respond like I did.

I run in these circles as well g. Worked at Universal. Worked with very famous writers. Ive seen international hits get recorded in one take. Nas can write his ass off, nikkas have written for him. My point wasnt even about Ghostwriting. Just albums in general are worked on by a team. Contributions comw from everywhere. This is standard.

 

[spliz]

I run in these circles as well g. Worked at Universal. Worked with very famous writers. Ive seen international hits get recorded in one take. Nas can write his ass off, nikkas have written for him. My point wasnt even about Ghostwriting. Just albums in general are worked on by a team. Contributions comw from everywhere. This is standard.

Ok. Cool. Not tryna discredit u. And I know there's contributions to albums. I never denied that. I know artists get sent songs basically done already and basically fill their verses in. And some of these nikkas cop out and take the whole song. Verses and everything. Now. I know people close to Nas. Now. This is what imma ask u. And don't bring up the Jay Electronica and Dead Prez BS. Do u know of anyone who has written full verses for Nas? Reference tracks n all that shyt. Cause as far as I know from the people I know. That's a negative.

 

[BodeineBrazy]

Ok. Cool. Not tryna discredit u. And I know there's contributions to albums. I never denied that. I know artists get sent songs basically done already and basically fill their verses in. And some of these nikkas cop out and take the whole song. Verses and everything. Now. I know people close to Nas. Now. This is what imma ask u. And don't bring up the Jay Electronica and Dead Prez BS. Do u know of anyone who has written full verses for Nas? Reference tracks n all that shyt.

yes... interestingly enough. The song was fukking wack. Im not gonna go in because people lurk thee sites. You would be surprised who the "Guests" are on these pages. But factually. I know someone who wrote a wack song for that nikka. But Nas writes 98% of shyt no clue why he took that song.

 

[spliz]

yes... interestingly enough. The song was fukking wack. Im not gonna go in because people lurk thee sites. You would be surprised who the "Guests" are on these pages. But factually. I know someone who wrote a wack song for that nikka. But Nas writes 98% of shyt no clue why he took that song.

Interesting. Hold up.