So D Wade dropped 12 points again in a crucial playoff game?

[Biscayne]

That's not even what this thread us about. Let's take Riley out of the equation. nikkas in here is saying Bron deserves just about all the credit and his teammates aren't shyt. I don't see why everybody can't get credit. Bron didn't win those chips by himself.

You see what we're saying now...... I remember some bandwagon Heat fans trying to blame Wade for Miami losing to the Mavs that year. They said Wade did too much, and didn't cede enough control over the team to LBJ, causing LBJ to have the series that he had. You just can't win against these people....

 

[Biscayne]

I was talking about something specific.

Nobody wins titles "by himself" but LeBron was clearly the catalyst for that team, and Wade progressively just did less and less as the seasons went on. And everybody does get credit, but this idea that LeBron has 0 rings without Wade as though Wade was the leader of those teams is silly, and the reasoning being that Wade had won a title before LeBron got there is flimsy at best.

This thread is about Wade's failures prior to LBJ and after LBJ tho. Narrowing Wade's career to a 3yr window after his 1st title and prior to LBJ coming to Miami, in order to use a hypothetical about Wade not being successful without LBJ isn't just as silly? They're basically saying "Forget 2004, 2005, and 2006 because that was a long time ago, if you just focus on 2007, 2008, and 2009 you'll clearly see, Wade wouldn't have had much post-season success without LBJ, if ANY post-season success at all"<-------This argument is just as silly. They wanna use hypothetical, but don't want us Wade stans to use hypotheticals...

This is ALL silly. This thread is silly.

 

[Biscayne]

Wade gets more excuses for coming up short than any superstar up here.

1. But he won by himself in 2006
2. He wasn't healthy
3. He had a weak team
4. Spolestra
5. Lebron left
6. Bosh is hurt
7. Going through a divorce
8. But Kobe didn't ....
9. Out of shape but he's ready now
10. Had an old Shaq
11. Need another star beside him
12. If he had Pau he'd win too

And the list goes on

When Wade wins:

1.The Refs!!!!!
2.Tim Donohue!!!
3.B-b-but He had Shaq!!!
4.B-B-But he had Gary Peyton!!
5. B-B-But he had Michael Doliac!!!
6 2006 was a loooong time ago!!! Who cares!!!
7. Remember when Wade lost in the 1st round back in 2007? It wasn't THAT long ago!!!
8. B-but he FLOPS!!
9. He dresses like a Batty Boy!!
10. Whatabout Chicagoooo!!!

 

[Jesus Is Lord]

When Wade wins:

1.The Refs!!!!!
2.Tim Donohue!!!
3.B-b-but He had Shaq!!!
4.B-B-But he had Gary Peyton!!
5. B-B-But he had Michael Doliac!!!
6 2006 was a loooong time ago!!! Who cares!!!
7. Remember when Wade lost in the 1st round back in 2007? It was THAT long ago!!!
8. B-but he FLOPS!!
9. He dresses like a Batty Boy!!
10. Whatabout Chicagoooo!!!

 

[Biscayne]

The simultaneous exaltation and plea copping is what gets me. He won by himself in 2006 but yet every season since then, including a couple with Lebron is all on everyone else. If he can win by himself why couldnt' he win with a female Bron and Bosh? Say what you will about Bron or numerous other superstars but they got the credit for the good and blame for the bad. Somehow one serendipitous run a decade ago has made this nikka Wade teflon.

He had 3 1st round exits prior to LBJ getting there, but he already had a title and 2 conference Finals appearances a Finals MVP and 3 1st round advancements prior to LBJ. Even if you acknowledge Wades failure prior to LBJ, at WORST Wade has a championship, finals MVP, Finals appearance, 2 conference Finals appearances, NBA scoring champion, a whole GANG of all-NBA selections, a whole GANG of all-star appearances, and that's all in a 7yr window of his career prior to LBJ getting there. He did before LBJ, period. He did it, he's done it, it's DONE. 2006 was a long time ago, but so was 2007, 2008, and 2009.

Why put whiteout on part of that 7yr window? As a Wade fan, I acknowledge Wades 1st round exits, his failures, his failure to get Miami to the playoffs last year, but I'm not gonna put Whiteout over his back-to-back conference Finals appearances. I'm gonna look at his pre-LBJ career in it's entirety.

Let's just put it this way. LBJ has done more in the post-season with less help, and Wade has done more in the post-season with the same amount of help. HE WON A TITLE with the 2nd highest scoring teammate averaging 13ppg. And he got Miami to a conference final in the 2005 playoffs without Shaq(Shaq getting injured in the previous series).

LBJ Post-season>Wade Post-season overall. LBJ's gotten to the Finals twice without Wade. And was the catalyst for getting Miami to the Finals in those 5yrs. But this hypothetical game can go soooo deep. After all, both players are currently in the playoffs, and both players have had post-season success without each other.

 

[Biscayne]

Yes I was, but not surprised. Bottom line, he sucked last night and dudes are in here bringing up 2006. He has to be held to the same standards and criticism as the aforementioned Lebron and Kobe. Don't be biased for once.

Do you think Wade is in the same tier as LBJ and Kobe?

 

[Jesus Is Lord]

Do you think Wade is in the same tier as LBJ and Kobe?

No. But his fans do. Why?

 

[Biscayne]

No. But his fans do. Why?

If that's the case, than he's done pretty well for himself considering he's in a tier below them. 3titles, a finals MVP, nice.

 

[Jesus Is Lord]

If that's the case, than he's done pretty well for himself considering he's in a tier below them. 3titles, a finals MVP, nice.

Agreed.

 

[Biscayne]

Agreed.

I'd put Wade around 25-20th all-time. Maybe even 26th. We'll see what he can do in the next 3yrs, which is about how much time I think he might have left in the tank. Wade's Top25 in my opinion. Not higher than 20 though.

 

[Jesus Is Lord]

I'd put Wade around 25-20th all-time. Maybe even 26th. We'll see what he can do in the next 3yrs, which is about how much time I think he might have left in the tank. Wade's Top25 in my opinion. Not higher than 20 though.

I agree. He's the 3-4 greatest SG of all-time. MJ, Kobe, Wade or Jerry West or Drexler.

 

[prophecypro]

when people stop hyping these dudes up, people will stop shytting on them. U can't have it both way, "yea so and so is the goat and is gon will it all" and when they lose, "why y'all shytting them, they old"

That sounds like a strawman argument.
If a dude his in his mid 30s still pulling out games where he looks 25, they gonna give props for that cause that's hard to do even if on occasion but we also know being in your 30s means you get games like yesterday ( a game btw which he was still 2 rebounds away from a triple double despite the bad shooting and was on the court for that 3rd quarter run, so I dont even know why we're picking that)

And I dont see anyone saying Goat or making multiple smothering threads about when he does have a good game

You just dont like Wade and that's fine, just spare us the obtuse argument

 

[Biscayne]

That sounds like a strawman argument.
If a dude his in his mid 30s still pulling out games where he looks 25, they gonna give props for that cause that's hard to do even if on occasion but we also know being in your 30s means you get games like yesterday ( a game btw which he was still 2 rebounds away from a triple double despite the bad shooting and was on the court for that 3rd quarter run, so I dont even know why we're picking that)

And I dont see anyone saying Goat or making multiple smothering threads about when he does have a good game

You just dont like Wade and that's fine, just spare us the obtuse argument

Agreed. I want people to link me to these threads where they were calling Wade the GOAT. Better yet, I want them to find some Archival threads from SOHH from back in 2006, 2008, 2009 when Wade was putting up his prime numbers, and see if they were even calling him the GOAT back then. Fact of the matter is, when Wade does/did good, they don't nor have they ever gave a damn, but when he does bad, they wanna take the opportunity to put disrespek on his name.....

 

[Biscayne]

The simultaneous exaltation and plea copping is what gets me. He won by himself in 2006 but yet every season since then, including a couple with Lebron is all on everyone else. If he can win by himself why couldnt' he win with a female Bron and Bosh? Say what you will about Bron or numerous other superstars but they got the credit for the good and blame for the bad. Somehow one serendipitous run a decade ago has made this nikka Wade teflon.

Why is Wades 2006 Finals run viewed as serendipitous? He was one game away from reaching the Finals one year prior, and moved up a round every year for his 1st 3 seasons.....

 

[JameisNewton]

They keep bringing up ONE series back from 2006 to defend Wade. "B....b...but he was 2006 finals MVP!"

It's TWENTY SIXTEEN

It's kind of pathetic, honestly. The guy has a great 4 game stretch a decade ago and it's supposed to excuse all of his annual duds every year since.