So Double Talk Dave gave Okada vs Omega 6 stars.

[PlayerNinety_Nine]

I don't disagree.

Omega actually topped his five star matches with Naito and Goto, and Naito/Tana before it, and Okada damn near died on that Dragon Suplex from the top rope.

Kenny broke so much ground - conceivably moving up an entire weight division, taking over Bullet Club, upsetting a red hot Naito to later become the first gaijin to win G1 Climax - that you believed he could actually usurp the face of the company.

Okada delivered a hell of a beating, took a harder one, and showed that he is truly the ace of New Japan.

Limb damage, reversals of reversals, impeccable timing and spots, fighting spirit, avoiding a finisher like the death, taking three finishers and still threatening like a terminator...

Add in the atmosphere - the air of uncertainty, a company's fate in the balance, stable bragging rights on the line, being a true main event in a card that increased in importance and match quality over several HOURS...

There's certainly hyperbole in Dave's rating...but if the match can get rave reviews by those who don't even grasp the context...imagine how it felt for folks who did.

Really well put.

Repped.

 

[FunkDoc1112]

I saw this random highspots thing with Meltz and Hero and someone else just talking about wrestling, and after listening to what Meltz actually enjoyed as a kid, and seeing him get excited about certain things, it’s easy to see that NJ from 2010 on just ticks all of his boxes. He loves high character, doesn’t mind stylistic excess as long as it’s within the precedent set by the characters at play, and likes grandiose displays of drama. If people can get that across without crash tv fukkery, he’s going to love it.


People get caught up on all the AJPW 5 star joints and think that that’s his particular measuring stick for greatness, but the real tell is in his US five-star stuff. Bret/Austin, Bret/Owen, Taker/Shawn HIAC, WarGames ’92, SMW WarGames ’93, Barr/Guerrero v Octagon/Hijo del Santo, dude is all about grand stories executed through action. He also hates wasteful work (limb work that goes nowhere, stalling etc), and escalating finishing runs that don’t overstay their welcome.


So when you think about all of that, you get why he became such a massive Tanahashi fan when Tana levelled up in 2010, and as NJ has fallen in line with Tana’s ethos, why he connects with the company as a whole.

Meltzer also loves all of the ladder match spotfests too. Even the weaker MITB matches have gotten ****+ from him.

 

[FunkDoc1112]

Wrestlemania 25?



With a botch that damn near killed the Undertaker?

With them spending like 10 minutes of the match laying on the ground?

No. Its a 4.5 star match and still somehow the most overrated match in WWE history, not sure how thats even possible

Their Hell in a Cell match was better

We gonna sit here and act like the botch and the countout tease wasn't what cranked the match up a notch?

 

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

Meltzer also loves all of the ladder match spotfests too. Even the weaker MITB matches have gotten ****+ from him.

These guys are out here killing themselves to get props from a shut in journalist for real...When in reality if I were to list biggest drawing matches ever, there's maybe.....One spotfest ever on it

 

[R=G]

You cats really be going back watching WM 25 matches? LOL!

 

[Grifter]

 

[CM_Burns]

I havent watched NJ in a few years, Ill check this out though. The hyped Okada matches in 13/14 were good, probably better if I understood the language and context better.

If the rainmaker was Reigns or Ziggler or somebodys WWE finish itd get called out for not being that good, which is why Im surprised that TSC doesnt call it out. Its a fancy clothesline without the momentum.

 

[Rout3r2035]

Bullshyt. Pretty good, but it's not even 5 stars, more like 4.25 or 4.5. This habit of the babyface (Okada recently) supermanning the shyt out of his opponent in NJPW is getting awfully predictable, and yet marks like Meltz fall over themselves to praise it

 

[Superkick Party]

And this is who you idolize?

Nothing but a mark for Japanese wrestling

The fact that be ever rated a young bucks match 5 stars exposed him

Tbh those damn spot monkeys killing the business

 

[swag johnson]

Sad that so many viewers care what this autist thinks and cant form their own opinions

 

[Berniewood Hogan]

I HAD A FIFTEEN STAR MATCH WITH ANDRE IN THE 70'S BUT IT WAS IN THE HART DUNGEON AND ONLY STU SAW IT AND HE ASSUMED IT WAS A SHOOT BECAUSE WE WERE SO STIFF NO HOMO, BROTHER!

 

[prophecypro]

Match was fire

 

[Apex]

I havent watched NJ in a few years, Ill check this out though. The hyped Okada matches in 13/14 were good, probably better if I understood the language and context better.

If the rainmaker was Reigns or Ziggler or somebodys WWE finish itd get called out for not being that good, which is why Im surprised that TSC doesnt call it out. Its a fancy clothesline without the momentum.

That's the beauty of New Japan. They value finishers. Kicking out of 3 finishers is rare for NJPW, which is why Okada-Omega was so dope. That happens every month in the WWE.

 

[Rout3r2035]

That's the beauty of New Japan. They value finishers. Kicking out of 3 finishers is rare for NJPW, which is why Okada-Omega was so dope. That happens every month in the WWE.

of the highest order. The last four or five premier NJPW main events in a mix of Okada, Tanahashi, Omega, Styles, and Nakamura all had two or three finishers that were kicked out of in their match. And that's not even counting the ridiculous number of pseudo-finishers you see in every big New Japan match, hell in this one alone Omega took like three tombstone piledrivers and a DDT on cement in addition to the finishers . The only one I can think of that fits that bill in recent WWE memory is Styles/Cena from SummerSlam and Reigns/Lesnar from Mania. Sure a lot of PPV events have one false finish, but New Japan is the king of overdoing that shyt, no stanning.

 

[Spiritual Stratocaster]

TBH this kind of stuff is why wrestling fans seem like weirdos. Only in this gated community do people give fake fights star ratings.

Name me another TV or film medium where people judge the fight scenes with number or star ratings? What star rating does Van Damme get for the main event in Bloodsport ?

This is why nobody cares about wrestling now. This mark Meltzer scrambling the fans brains.

Why are you comparing wrestling to fight scenes? As if the matches are completely scripted.