So let's look at the big picture: Are politics in America permanently fukked?

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We need to no longer use FPTP, we need to restructure the house as a congress is no longer representative enough of local municipal interests at the federal level and has become a haven of corruption and graft, introduce Judiciary term limits and have them REQUIRE a level of bipartisan support. Ban any donation to any political campaign above $50 and require vetting to insure that corporate interests have no ability to circumvent this. Reconstitute voting districts without gerrymandered lines from either the left or the right. Create verifiable third party vetting offices to handle electoral interference, make voting day a state and or federal holiday.

These are a few fixes off the top of my head, there's a ton more that needs to be done, but the big things are re-arranging how representatives work at the federal (and even state) level, completely removing money from politics, changing how term limits work, and have better baseline political education during K-12 programs.

It's a mighty task, but not insurmountable.
 

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Someone wasn't around for Clinton impeachment and Bush Iraq war meltdown and angst from code pink and celebrities

Drudge report was at the forefront of the internet trolling Bill Clinton in the mid 90s lmao

Bush was getting ripped by celebrities and talk show hosts burned in effigy, crazy protesters and anarchists

And this was pre social media hungry era

Now things go viral fast and both sides have their ammo
 

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Someone wasn't around for Clinton impeachment and Bush Iraq war meltdown and angst from code pink and celebrities
So are you retired from shytting up this section or not? :stopitslime:

Yes, the Republican split in 94 is the root cause of the current political polity in America. Thank you for your profound insight (while also being a dikk, because after all it's debate and discourse you're after not just to jump in and go "LOL STUPID LIBS" and fukk off) that's already been covered in this thread. Repeatedly.:umad:
 

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So are you retired from shytting up this section or not? :stopitslime:

Yes, the Republican split in 94 is the root cause of the current political polity in America. Thank you for your profound insight (while also being a dikk, because after all it's debate and discourse you're after not just to jump in and go "LOL STUPID LIBS" and fukk off) that's already been covered in this thread. Repeatedly.:umad:

I'm pretty sure shyt was crazy and partisan during Vietnam...in the 1800s politicians had duels

It's always been a grimey rough affair because your talking about battling philosophies without clear rights and wrongs or concepts you can't prove in a lab so people will be passionate about "their way"
 

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I'm pretty sure shyt was crazy and partisan during Vietnam...in the 1800s politicians had duels

It's always been a grimey rough affair because your talking about battling philosophies without clear rights and wrongs or concepts you can't prove in a lab so people will be passionate about "their way"
It absolutely was not hyper partisan during the Vietnam era. You're talking about politics. I'm talking about policy. The Republicans and Democrats have been on the same page, more or less on every major issue for over a century. They've fought tooth and nail over details and implementation.

Both parties have been working from a platform of American white protestant nationalism, social conservatism, and liberal economics. The Democrats represented agrarian and industrial labor interests and the Republicans represented business interests. The Democrats were never pushed this far to the left before, which is a direct result of the mid-90's hardline push of Republicans to the far right when Newt Gingrich and his ilk purged the old guard, politicians like Alan Simpson and even Bob Dole were far less about reactionary populism that began with the purging of the Goldwater faction, and the North/South civil rights divide, but really took hold during Clinton's second term.

The deep philosophic and partisan divides are absolutely a modern creation bred through hyper nationalist populist rhetoric that came from Newt Gingrich, Rush Limbaugh, Fox news and the radicalization of the far right.
 
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