Gizmo_Duck
blathering blatherskite!
Next thing yall gonna tell me is DJ Khaled don’t produce his music either 
So Puff Diddy isnt a record producer either....we knew?
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Awesome Wells
The Bobby Womack of Crack
People still don’t know what producing is in 2023-24?
It's way more than just making beats. If Puff has a stack of records playing in the studio and hears a section on a Al Green record that he thinks would be dope to sample, and he tells Nashiem to chop it and throw a reverse kick on it along with a low end bassline, and a snare with mad reverb. And then throws a concept at B.I.G. for what he can talk about on the record, and this record turns into "My Downfall", then that makes Puff a co-producer. If he's in the studio telling you how to sing sh*t and where to put certain hooks and which lyrics to keep and which to cut, that's production.
But if you're making beats at home and uploading them online, and some dude you don’t know comes an cops a couple tracks from your online store, and goes and makes a mixtape with them, and you don’t even know dude is using your sh*t, you didn't produce those records. You just made the beats. Production is about being involved with the creation of the actual record. Your input and involvement is what it's about. If you didn't have anything to do with the creation of the song, you ain't a producer on it.
It's way more than just making beats. If Puff has a stack of records playing in the studio and hears a section on a Al Green record that he thinks would be dope to sample, and he tells Nashiem to chop it and throw a reverse kick on it along with a low end bassline, and a snare with mad reverb. And then throws a concept at B.I.G. for what he can talk about on the record, and this record turns into "My Downfall", then that makes Puff a co-producer. If he's in the studio telling you how to sing sh*t and where to put certain hooks and which lyrics to keep and which to cut, that's production.
But if you're making beats at home and uploading them online, and some dude you don’t know comes an cops a couple tracks from your online store, and goes and makes a mixtape with them, and you don’t even know dude is using your sh*t, you didn't produce those records. You just made the beats. Production is about being involved with the creation of the actual record. Your input and involvement is what it's about. If you didn't have anything to do with the creation of the song, you ain't a producer on it.
This is the lamest kind of origin story …. But he made something of himself that is bigger than what he came from, even if he has lofty roots … this is admirable
I don’t think this is what’s happening. maybe on rare occassion
but I do believe he likely flexes his authority on many matters of the production … the same way Madonna might when she walks in the studio and wants to posture as creative when actually among real creative types
Awesome Wells
The Bobby Womack of Crack
This is the lamest kind of origin story …. But he made something of himself that is bigger than what he came from, even if he has lofty roots … this is admirable
I don’t think this is what’s happening. maybe on rare occassion
If you check out the Hitmen interview that was in XXL, that's how those albums were made back then. Or the new BIG book. Mary is another person who talks about the process of My Life and 411. Devante from Jodeci spoke on it too. Puff is everywhere in the studio telling people what to do and how to do it. That's producing. Pete Rock had an issue with Puff because he asked Pete to use the Mtume sh*t for "Juicy" and when he made the beat, Puff had already gone to Tone from Trackmasters and had him do the same sh*t, and they used his version and not Pete's.
Puff wants to be involved with the whole process. That's his actual talent. He's not gonna sit down and write his own rhymes or make a beat on the MPC. But he will get people who do write and do make beats to create the sh*t he sees in his head as dope. Which is why so many artists and producers have always said that he's annoying to work with in the studio. He's in there coaching and directing all night. That's literally what a producer does.
Rev Leon Lonnie Love
damned mine eyes, DAMNED mine eyes!!
no wonder I always felt the mixing on that album was unnecessarily loud.I remember Nipsey’s making the Marathon documentary, breh came in and said turn the treble up and said my work here is done.
Fanservice
Bih call me senpai
Y’all really thought guys like him and Khaled sat in a dark room alone making heat 
King Harlem
Superstar
Yep, when Mary was asked on Hot 97 how she got all the best rappers on her remixes back in the day she said that it was all Puff's idea.
Swahili P'Bitek
Absorbingpovertywithoutlimitations
Some middleman shyt, but that's life. Most people doing the heavy lifting don't get as rich as these middle men ass semi frauds.
King Harlem
Superstar
I hear you but its really Capitalism favors ownership/entrepreneurs. You own something, you decide who gets credit and for what especially in the music industry. I could go on but I don't want to derail this conversation.
Awesome Wells
The Bobby Womack of Crack
Truth.
That's how the Jodeci "Come and Talk to Me" remix happened. He told them he wanted to use the EPMD break and thought it would be dope to loop it. He said he got the idea from the old Kid Capri blends from back in the day. You have to know how to put pieces together. That's production. Knowing which track is right for which artist and how to make the best song you can. Apart from having a good ear for talent, producing is Puff's actual redeeming skill. It's what he does best.
He said out his own man kissing mouth 25 or so yrs ago that "I never programmed any drums"
He didnt get his hands dirty, like say, a rza or havoc. He had a keen ear for a hit, though. He probably had some sample ideas and shyt like that
He didnt get his hands dirty, like say, a rza or havoc. He had a keen ear for a hit, though. He probably had some sample ideas and shyt like that
Awesome Wells
The Bobby Womack of Crack
This reminds me of the Wyclef and Lauryn beef.
Lauryn was claiming to have "produced" her whole album and got sued for stealing credit. And lost. Wyclef came out saying "if you put a drum machine in front of her, she wouldn't know what to do with it, but she's telling y'all she's making those tracks? Come on! She's always been a liar!" LOL!!
I don’t undermine this at all. He is obviously not a beatmaker but this is an actual producer and it doesn’t surprise me that he flexes and exercises creative control
that whole asking two different producers to do the same thing actually reminds me of a younger version of myself
Awesome Wells
The Bobby Womack of Crack
Dude seriously wants to oversee and control the whole process.
Premier said he used to have meetings with Puff and they would go over ideas for beats. Premier played him "Kick in the Door" and Puff said it was wack and that Primo was losing his touch, lol. So he didn't want B.I.G. to f*ck with that beat, at all. But Primo gave it to B.I.G. anyway. B.I.G. gets the beat and he loves it, so Primo goes back to Puff and says that B.I.G. loves the beat and is using it. He recorded the song and it came out crazy. Then Puff backtracked and told Premier that he never said the beat was wack.
But on the album, it's also why he's not credited as a co-producer on the song. Because Premier did that with B.I.G. when Puff wasn't around. Puff didn't even want that beat on the album.
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