So with backlash against Ross would Eminem's "Guilty Conscience" get the same?

[SunZoo]

Im dying at the 'eminem was just playing a character' excuse.

Context is important to consider in regards to how people react to what is being said.

You want to compare ross's situation to eminem's, yet somehow the context in which their respective lines were said in is off the table?

So I guess the same shyt excuse can be used for the CO. Rick Ross is not really a big drug king pen. He is playing a 'role' just the same.

He could have easily pulled that "i'm an entertainer/character" card that yall keep trying to pull for him, but he didn't.

He proceeded to say he was misunderstood, that he would never use the word rape in a song (to describe rape), that he was just educating all the sexy ladies on his timeline about about the dangers of molly.



All the nikka had to do was be a real person for a minute or two, but he decided to stay in character, his fault.

 

[Moose_Greyjoy]

BTW to the thread starter.....heres Em response to your thread


Sometimes I just feel like my father, I hate to be bothered
With all of this nonsense it's constant
And, "Oh, it's his lyrical content -
- the song 'Guilty Conscience' has gotten such rotten responses"
And all of this controversy circles me
And it seems like the media immediately
Points a finger at me (finger at me)...
So I point one back at 'em, but not the index or pinkie
Or the ring or the thumb, it's the one you put up
When you don't give a fukk, when you won't just put up
With the bullshyt they pull, 'cause they full of shyt too
When a dude's gettin bullied and shoots up his school
And they blame it on Marilyn (on Marilyn)... and the heroin
Where were the parents at? And look where it's at
Middle America, now it's a tragedy
Now it's so sad to see, an upper class ci-ty
Havin this happenin (this happenin)...
Then attack Eminem 'cause I rap this way (rap this way)...
But I'm glad 'cause they feed me the fuel that I need for the fire
To burn and it's burnin and I have returned


EM addresses his media backlash like a man...and the coli wonder why he has fans

 

[hex]

Im dying at the 'eminem was just playing a character' excuse. Not only because it just is pathetic but also because it doesn't excuse him talking about killing his ACTUAL WIFE.

So I guess the same shyt excuse can be used for the CO. Rick Ross is not really a big drug king pen. He is playing a 'role' just the same.

When questioned about his lyrics Eminem straight up said in several interviews "I'm saying the most outlandish shyt possible for attention".

Ross got questioned about the rape shyt and played dumb like he didn't understand the problem.

Ross gets shown a pic of him as a CO "nah, that's not me, it's photoshopped, I'm a gangster for real, that could never be me".

Ross gets shot at in real life, and said it's no big deal because "I can put 1000 gangsters in any hood".

One is telling you not to take what he says seriously, one is desperate for you to take what he says seriously....except when it's inconvenient, like losing the Reebok deal. Then it's "oh, he's just playing a character".

Fred.

 

[OnlyInCalifornia]

When questioned about his lyrics Eminem straight up said in several interviews "I'm saying the most outlandish shyt possible for attention".

Ross got questioned about the rape shyt and played dumb like he didn't understand the problem.

Ross gets shown a pic of him as a CO "nah, that's not me, it's photoshopped, I'm a gangster for real, that could never be me".

Ross gets shot at in real life, and said it's no big deal because "I can put 1000 gangsters in any hood".

One is telling you not to take what he says seriously, one is desperate for you to take what he says seriously....except when it's inconvenient, like losing the Reebok deal. Then it's "oh, he's just playing a character".

Fred.

All these people upset are not watching Eminem interviews to see what he 'means' so to them it is all relative. There is a double standard.

 

[OnlyInCalifornia]

Context is important to consider in regards to how people react to what is being said.

Sure it is. Having multiple lyrics and songs about wanting to harm your wife or other women doesn't get the 'context' pass. This is the same excuse you used for the racist tapes too. Well the context of him calling that girl a racial slur is because he was upset they broke up!! It wasn't a good excuse then and it isn't now.

If it was one line, you could play this card, the fact that it was a theme in his music says differently.

You want to compare ross's situation to eminem's, yet somehow the context in which their respective lines were said in is off the table?

See above.

Every single time he was 'playing a character' even though it was his actual wife. Not some made up 'model chick' ???

He could have easily pulled that "i'm an entertainer/character" card that yall keep trying to pull for him, but he didn't.

He proceeded to say he was misunderstood, that he would never use the word rape in a song (to describe rape), that he was just educating all the sexy ladies on his timeline about about the dangers of molly.



All the nikka had to do was be a real person for a minute or two, but he decided to stay in character, his fault.

How are you going to play the 'im doing a character' when it involves a real person who is really in your life?

Again...this excuse he was 'playing a character' is horrible. Do I really have to point out that the reason people are pissed is because those lyrics could influence others....whether Eminem was 'playing a character' or not the lyrics could influence someone just the same. If people really understood context of music and the fact these guys are playing a role they would know Rick Ross, the former Correctional Officer slash football player is not a real king pen, is not violent, probably doesn't go around demoralizing women, and is not a super villain.

There is a double standard with Eminem because of his skin color. I really don't see how that can be argued. A white guy is 'crazy' but a black guy is 'violent'

 

[hex]

All these people upset are not watching Eminem interviews to see what he 'means' so to them it is all relative. There is a double standard.

You have no idea if they're watching Em interviews or not. Let's stick to the facts here. Eminem has went out of his way to tell people his lyrics are bullshyt. Whether or not people "see the interviews" has nothing to do with anything. The interviews exist.

No such interviews exist for Ross, who has had several outs prior to this Reebok fiasco. Chances to cop out (no pun intended) and say "it's just entertainment". Not only did he not do that, he went out of his way to tell people his lyrics are 100% authentic several times.

So then he drops a rape lyric. He gets questioned about the lyric, and once again, he sticks to the script. So that costs him a Reebok endorsement.

Finally yeah, a double standard exists. It's the fact that people want to hold 2 rappers to the same standard, despite the fact that only one of them wants to be taken seriously.

Fred.

 

[ROFL_GUY]

last lyrics on MMLP

If I ever gave a fukk, I'd shave my nuts
tuck my dikk in between my legs and cluck
You motherfukking chickens ain't brave enough
to say the stuff I say, so just tape it shut [*tape unrolls*]
shyt, half the shyt I say, I just make it up
To make you mad so kiss my white naked ass
And if it's not a rapper that I make it as
I'ma be a fukking rapist in a Jason mask

coincidence those are the last lyrics on MMLP ????????


use all of your brain power to figure it out.. i believe in you

 

[ROFL_GUY]

It's like my mother always told me
[Eminem Impersinates His Mom]
Rana Rana Rana Rana Rana Rana Rana Rana Rana Rana,
and codeine and goddamit, you little motherfukker
If you aint got nothin' nice to say then don't say nothin'
uh..
fukk that shyt, bytch, eat a motherfukkin' dikk
Chew on a prick, and lick a million motherfukkin' cocks per second
I'd rather put out a motherfukking gospel record
I'd rather be a p*ssy-whipped bytch, eat p*ssy
And have p*ssy-lips glued to my face with a clit-ring in my nose
Then quit bringin my flows, quit giving me my ammo
Can't you see why i'm so mean? if y'all leave me alone, this wouldn't be my
m.o.
I wouldn't have to go eenie meenie minie mo
Catch a homo by his toe, man i don't know no more
Am i the only fukkin one who's normal any more?

 

[FloorGeneral]

he did have backlash but Em didn't have a lucritive endorsement/sponsorship deal with someone like Reebok or anyone at all. he was only representing himself & Aftermath Records

some of you stupid young nikkas werent around when marshall was catching hell from fakkits, soccer moms and females in general. he had EVERYONE going at his neck and it was on a much larger scale because of the nature and the weight mtv etc held back then.

the bottom line is this, employees get fired all the time for talking out of line and saying stupid shyt and rick ross was let go for that, no matter the reasons. get over that shyt.

I was gonna post some shyt, but these 2 posts sum everything up perfectly. I see Fred and Sunzoo posting knowledge too, so shoutout to them as well.

If you weren't around when Em was REALLY popping, you shouldn't say a word on this subject.

 

[ROFL_GUY]

My songs can make you cry, take you by surprise
And at the same time, make you dry your eyes with the same rhyme
See what you're seeing is a genius at work
Which to me isn't work, so it's easy to misinterpret it at first,
Cuz when i speak, it's tongue in cheek
I'd yank my fukkin teeth before id ever bite my tongue
I'd slice my gums, get struck by fukkin' lightning twice at once
And die and come back as vanilla ice's son
And walk around the rest of my life spit on
And kicked and hit with shyt, every time i sung
Like R Kelly as soon as "bump n' grind" comes on
More pain inside of my brain, than the eyes of a little girl inside of a
plane
Aimed at the World Trade, standin' on Ronnie's grave,
Screaming at the sky, till clouds gather as Clyde Mathers and Bonnie Jade
And thats pretty much the gist of it,Parents are pissed, but the kids love
it
Nine millimeter, heater stashed, in two-seaters with meat cleavers
I don't blame you, i wouldn't let hailie listen to me neither

 

[jwinfield]

So what companies should have dropped Em when his first album came out seeing as he had no endorsement deals at the time?

Canadian Officials Asked To Stop Eminem At Border - Music, Celebrity, Artist News | MTV.com

Ontario attorney general Jim Flaherty said Wednesday that Eminem should be barred from entering Canada because of his violent lyrics.

Eminem is scheduled to perform in Toronto on Thursday as part of the Anger Management Tour, but Flaherty has called upon immigration officials to stop the rapper at Canada's border because he is likely to perform songs that advocate violence against women.

"That's unacceptable to us in Ontario," Flaherty said, according to Canadian press reports.

Michael Bryant, Ontario's attorney general critic for the opposition Liberal Party, said that rather than stopping Eminem at the border, the government should allow the rapper to perform and then prosecute him for violating Canada's hate-crime laws.

"I understand that [Flaherty] has called on our immigration minister to deny Eminem's entrance into Canada, and I must confess I don't understand that," Bryant said. "I find that position to be extreme."

Activist Valerie Smith had filed a criminal complaint about the lyrics of such Eminem songs as "Kill You" and "Kim" with Cooper, which he forwarded to the attorney general's office.

Smith had asked that Eminem's songs be classified as hate propaganda under Section 319 of the Canadian Criminal Code, which prohibits "communicating statements, other than in private conversation, [that] willfully [promote] hatred against an identifiable group." In the code, "identifiable group" refers to color, race, religion or ethnic origin

Eminem, Elton John To Duet At Grammys - Music, Celebrity, Artist News | MTV.com

Shortly after the announcement that John would be joining Eminem onstage, GLAAD expressed disappointment that John had consented to the Grammy duet. In April, GLAAD honored John with its Vito Russo Entertainer Award in recognition of the singer having "furthered the visibility and understanding of the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community." "GLAAD is appalled that John would share a stage with Eminem, whose words and actions promote hate and violence against gays and lesbians," Executive Director Joan M. Garry said in a statement issued Saturday.

"Last year GLAAD bestowed upon John one of our most prestigious honors, named in honor of GLAAD founder Vito Russo, for outstanding contributions to combating homophobia. We believe John's actions today violate the spirit of this award." Prior to the Recording Academy's confirmation of the duet, GLAAD had blasted NARAS for allowing the rapper to perform at all.

Gay Activist Group Plans Pre-Grammy Eminem Protest - Music, Celebrity, Artist News | MTV.com

The Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (GLAAD) announced Tuesday that it will hold a rally outside the Staples Center in Los Angeles at 3 p.m. on February 21 — just before the Grammy Awards telecast there — to protest what it called Eminem's "hate-filled lyrics." Since the May 2000 release of Eminem's The Marshall Mathers LP, GLAAD has issued several statements condemning the rapper's "homophobic" lyrics, and protested the album when its hit "The Real Slim Shady" was honored at September's MTV Video Music Awards.

GLAAD says that other activist organizations, including the National Organization for Women and the Matthew Shepard Foundation, will join them at the protest.

In related news, students at Sheffield University in London, England, have banned Eminem songs and T-shirts, according to Reuters. The college radio station and disco will not play the rapper's music, and the student newspaper can't print reviews of Eminem's albums or concerts.

"There was clear evidence of a flagrant breach of our policy toward gays, " the news service quoted Sheffield student union board member Neil Foster as saying.

Dude had politicians wanting to stop him from entering their country and wanting to charge him with hate crimes...

 

[the cac mamba]

:belip:

we really gonna act like we dont see the difference between these two songs? jesus

ross was rappin about his life, bein a boss . ems rappin about a hypothetical situation where some dudes about to make a bad decision and have a 'guilty conscience'. key fukkin word = guilty

 

[SunZoo]

Sure it is. Having multiple lyrics and songs about wanting to harm your wife or other women doesn't get the 'context' pass. Doesn't matter how much of a theme the shyt was in his music.

Context doesn't need a pass though, it's merely the container for the idea that lets you understand the conditions in which said idea is being expressed. The "pass" comes in after you examine the context in which something was said and decide you if you were offended or not.

The fact that it is a running theme in his music is exactly what proves that he's deliberate in the type of shyt he's saying, for whatever reasons those may be. The thing is he's upfront about it. Whether it be from the obvious themes, or him flat out saying in song "i'm saying this to make you mad".

When is the last time ross took a break in between bricks and dead bodies to tell his audience that this is all

Not that he's even obligated to do so, but when given the opportunity to fall back on the "i'm an entertainer card" he took another route.

 

[AkaDemiK]

thread starter...how old are you? the backlash ross received is nothing compared to the shyt em went through...the only thing ross has over em in the situation is the reebok deal.

 

[jackswstd]

Em had to perform with Elton John to get people to calm down some.