Sons of Rich Blacks Fare No Better than Working Class White Sons - but different finding for Women

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

Thankfully I grew up in a household that encouraged entrepreneurship and I was able to skip alot of problems such as employment opportunity or figuring out how to pay for college etc, but I could see how boys from successful families could end up in the struggle.

If I wasn't a natural entrepreneur at heart and didn't have the family business as a safety net... all I would have is a degree and the faith that some Corporation would hire me and pay me for what I have to offer and the skills that I acquired


At the end of the day it's still a white man's world.... it doesn't matter how much money your family has if you don't have any type of ownership or power.... youre still at the mercy of the dominant Society so it's very easy to see how many boys from successful families could fall into the struggle by believing the american dream


I got a cousin who graduated from college a few years ago and still sitting at home waiting on his day to come

Most entrepreneurs only employ one or two people. Which is one of the main reasons entrepreneurship won’t solve the issue

Small businesses also tend to pay less and provide less benefits

 

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

The issue is too many middle class brothers want to be street dudes. Hell a black man from a middle class area is clowned for it sometimes.

This isn’t even close to the reason

How the fukk did this get dapped up so much

 

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

Every time these studies come out the conclusions some of y’all take away are almost sadder than the actual study

 

[Henri Christophe]

Most entrepreneurs only employ one or two people. Which is one of the main reasons entrepreneurship won’t solve the issue

Small businesses also tend to pay less and provide less benefits

I'm going to my own or starting my own shyt before I even think about going to the crackers, that's just how I feel


Never said it would solve the problem but waiting on white people to hand out opportunities and access definitely ain't going to do it and as we can already see - thats not even working.... there is no one-size-fits-all solution that's going to cover all bases and fix everybody's problems , you take bits and pieces from each idea and build upon it and move forward

You say entrepreneurship doesn't work, I say waiting and depending on white people and the dominant society doesn't work and guess what? neither of us are wrong

Different things work for different people.

Y'all got to stop trying to shyt on different ideas in favor of what you believe in when you could easily collaborate and take different ideas from different people and build towards a solution

We get it y'all hate entrepreneurship LOL

 

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

I'm going to my own or starting my own shyt before I even think about going to the crackers, that's just how I feel


Never said it would solve the problem but waiting on white people to hand out opportunities and access definitely ain't going to do it and as we can already see - thats not even working.... there is no one-size-fits-all solution that's going to cover all bases and fix everybody's problems , you take bits and pieces from each idea and build upon it and move forward

You say entrepreneurship doesn't work, I say waiting and depending for white people and the dominant society doesn't work and guess what? neither of us are wrong

Different things work for different people.

Y'all got to stop trying to shyt on different ideas in favor of what you believe in when you could easily collaborate and take different ideas from different people and build towards a solution

We get it y'all hate entrepreneurship LOL

Nobody hates entrepreneurship

I said entrepreneurship isn’t going to solve the issue brought up in the article.

And it’s not about waiting for handouts either. Man that trope is dumb

 

[Henri Christophe]

Nobody hates entrepreneurship

I said entrepreneurship isn’t going to solve the issue brought up in the article.

And it’s not about waiting for handouts either. Man that trope is dumb

What's your solution bro

And how do you imagine us realistically achieving it within this lifetime so our children can benefit from it?

 

[#1 pick]

I'm going to my own or starting my own shyt before I even think about going to the crackers, that's just how I feel


Never said it would solve the problem but waiting on white people to hand out opportunities and access definitely ain't going to do it and as we can already see - thats not even working.... there is no one-size-fits-all solution that's going to cover all bases and fix everybody's problems , you take bits and pieces from each idea and build upon it and move forward

You say entrepreneurship doesn't work, I say waiting and depending on white people and the dominant society doesn't work and guess what? neither of us are wrong

Different things work for different people.

Y'all got to stop trying to shyt on different ideas in favor of what you believe in when you could easily collaborate and take different ideas from different people and build towards a solution

We get it y'all hate entrepreneurship LOL

You grew up in it like me. These guys are right for the most part. Most don't have the asset to this nor are they prepped enough for it. Just because it works for few doesn't mean it will work for all.

 

[Supper]

Why do you think it is?
This is why I’m constantly telling people that you can’t trust black feminists or black liberals as a whole. I don’t care how much they selectively call out white supremacy, if they’re pushing this “black women have it worse than black men because of sexism/patriarchy” nonsense then they are complicit in the perpetuation of white supremacy. At this point, they ALL know that it’s a lie.

Although, it's really semantic, I would consider myself a principled liberal in the classic etymological sense of the word of being open minded, having respect for civil freedoms & autonomy, anti-authoritarianism, and not being bound to social conservatism, but not a modern mainstream liberal leftist 'progressive', which has a tenancy to adopt a static model(intersectionality in most cases) for what is deemed progressive and what isn't from which lens your entire perception of the world must be viewed through, and an immense intolerance for anything that goes against that set idea, even in the face of overwhelming empirical evidence, which is what these shea butter black feminist on twitter are.

I'm also not a political democrat either, who actually tend to advocate for combined aspects of social leftist progressivism through use of right-wing government authoritarianism(ie gun law restrictions, banning speech etc etc).

 

[#1 pick]

I don't disagree with the study, but I suspect it's not accounting for something: multi-generational wealth.

The "rich" black boys most likely come from households where their parents grew up working class/middle class but happened to receive great educations that led to great careers. Essentially, their parents ARE the "Talented Tenth." "Rich" white boys (probably) come from households where the wealth has been in the family much longer. The children are merely around to manage existing wealth. They major in Art History at Harvard because there's no expectation that they'll ever really work outside of philanthropy, mission trips etc.

The rich black boys may come from well-off parents, but they aren't in a position to just manage wealth. They have to match the achievements of their parents....at least.....to continue building that War Chest. The boys have access to cars, clothes, good looking girls etc., and lose the edge that their parents had.

White supremacy is the biggest factor, but black kids have to maintain an edge/hunger to fight it. If you're black and male and your parents are rich, you'll be fine if you take full advantage of everything offered to you. However, if you slack off a bit like your white peers.....you'll end up in much worse shape because you may lack the coping skills and hustle of a poor black kid BUT also lack the connections of a rich white kid. I'd also add that black girls tend to be trained, while black boys are loved. That is, in our community we tend to be harder on our girls and demand more from them while we don't push our boys as hard academically. We accept B's from our son's. Too many black boys have "A+" brains but we accept "B-" level results.

I don't know about use being harder on our girls. I just know white supremacy in school don't do them the same like us. They come at both of us differently.

Like a Black girl ain't ever gonna be the it girl. She might win homecoming queen. But when it comes to beauty, the white girl is supreme. But as a Black male, mad girls can like you. Of all races too. In fact, cacs envy you. You can fukk all the hoes if you are a hoe. Black girls beauty is marginized. There presence is noticed but not really unless she's gifted.

If you an ugly nikka, if your swag right, you can still cook, especially with white girls. If you an ugly sista, you better shine them knees or whole out for a big brotha named Bubba.

I'll say this, BB and BG got it BAD. Neither got it good. It's like real life, they give you some shyt but take away all of the important shyt. This idea that BG are doing better is a lie. We seen the data. Most BW between 20-32 have a negative net worth. Bonqueisha doing better than most Black women her age and she work at Sallys with two kids from Roderick.

Outside of your escorts like @cam> most BW that age with degrees are in debt and their job just isn't close to enough to close the gap between their debt and their earnings.

This is part of the reason why BM are outearning BW. They aren't stupid on the average. Sure, suburban nikkas are stupid af. But these nikkas on average aren't

 

[Gravity]

Although, it's really semantic, I would consider myself a principled liberal in the classic etymological sense of the word of being open minded, having respect for civil freedoms & autonomy, anti-authoritarianism, and not bound to social conservatism, but not a modern mainstream liberal leftist 'progressive', which has a tenancy to adopt a static model(intersectionality in most cases) for what is deemed progressive and what isn't from which lens your entire perception of the world must be viewed through, and an immense intolerance for anything that goes against that set idea, even in the face of overwhelming empirical evidence, which is what these shea butter twitter feminist are.

I'm also not a political democrat either, who actually tend to advocate for combined aspects of social leftist progressivism and right-wing government authoritarianism(ie gun law restrictions).

You're right, this is semantics. You don’t have to call yourself a “liberal” to believe in any of those things. I stand by what I said. My post wasn’t about the “etymological sense of the word/term”. My post was clearly about the how the term is generally defined in our current society and the people associated with it. Liberals are not to be trusted.

You actually believe that gun law restrictions are a tenet of right wing government authoritarianism? That makes no sense.

 

[Supper]

You're right, this is semantics. You don’t have to call yourself a “liberal” to believe in any of those things. I stand by what I said. My post wasn’t about the “etymological sense of the word/term”. My post was clearly about the how the term is generally defined in our current society and the people associated with it. Liberals are not to be trusted.

The distinction should be made to differentiate myself from the modern mainstream leftist 'progressive' ideology, but at the same time not get lumped in with the right-wing, whether they be classic social or political conservatives or neo-fascist(like the alt-right or any similar group).

You actually believe that gun law restrictions are a tenet of right wing government authoritarianism? That makes no sense.

Advocating for government encroachment on it's citizens right to own a tool for defense & protection, thereby further monopolizing those means of said protection in the hands of the government IS exactly what right wing government authoritarianism is, and the opposite of true liberialism which hold respect for civil freedoms in high regard. And has furthermore historically been a tool used by the right wing, especially in this country, where apartheid 'black codes' and 'slave codes', where enacted to bar black slaves, free blacks, and post-cw freedmen from owning guns and either enacted or supported mass confiscations of guns from black people, so they had no means of effectively protecting themselves from white terrorism.

 

[Gravity]

The distinction should be made to differentiate myself from the modern mainstream leftist 'progressive' ideology, but at the same time not get lumped in with the right-wing, whether they be classic social or political conservatives or neo-fascist(like the alt-right).

Whatever bruh. You’re just talking.

Advocating for government encroachment on it's citizens right to own a tool for defense & protection, thereby further monopolizing those means of said protection in the hands of the government IS exactly what right wing government authoritarianism is, and the opposite of true liberialism which hold respect for civil freedoms in high regard. And has furthermore historically been a tool used by the right wing, especially in this country, where apartheid 'black codes' and 'slave codes', where enacted to bar black slaves, free blacks, and post-cw freedmen from owning guns and enacted mass confiscations of guns from black people, so they had no means of protecting themselves from white terrorism.

This is a bunch of bullshyt. The irony is that you sound just like one of these right-wing nuts that you claim you’re separate from. They use the exact same argument.

What about people’s civil freedom to feel safe in society and not fear being gunned down by military grade weapons owned by civilians? How far should the freedom to own weapons for “protection and defense” go? Should citizens be allowed to own tanks? Fighter planes? Nuclear bombs?

All that shyt about the black codes and how blacks have been denied the access of weapons is a white supremacy issue. Whites were never denied access to guns nor did they have their guns confiscated. That’s a completely separate issue than the gun-laws debate. I’m all for limiting the access that white civilians have to military grade weapons.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Things like this are just one of the many reasons I get super annoyed by well to do, highly educated black men marrying white women...I don't even feel like going into to it, but yes, it matters to have socio-economically mobile black men create black families.

 

[mcdivit85]

I try to tell them that there is no such thing as a Black middle class and there is barely an upper Black class...

When you own less than 5 percent of wealth in the entire nation and you been here like the second longest...

Your million dollars in the bank is different from the White man's million dollars...

Facts

Without communities or an economy, there is no vehicle for "black wealth." So, blacks may do well for a few years or maybe a generation, but it is very hard to sustain it. Especially, when talking about children and grandchildren.

And something that black people tend to have a hard time understanding is the difference between INCOME and WEALTH

Income is a measure of consumption. Income is for the now.

Wealth is a measure of ownership. Wealth is for the future.

Income may derive from wealth. Wealth does not derive from income unless income is used to buy assets which add to one's wealth. Income, in and of itself, does not equal wealth.

Wealth from ownership of assets can be passed down. Income from a job cannot be passed down.

So, if you have two homes - one black and one white. Black home has a household income of $200K. White home has a household income of $200K. They're next door neighbors in an upper middle class neighborhood.

Black family:

-derives all income from employment (earned income) i.e. little to no tax breaks
-has one large asset, a home
-no familial assets i.e. no family safety net
-has little to pass down to next generation other than a small life insurance policy
-has no community and no economy to: circulate money, find employment, buy life's necessities i.e. at the whim of non-blacks

White family:

-derives 75 percent income from employment (earned income) and 25 percent from family trust fund (unearned income) i.e. many tax breaks
-has several assets including a home, rental properties and stake in trust fund
-familial assets i.e. family safety net
-passes down the same rental properties and stake in trust fund
-has a worldwide community and economy to circulate money, find employment, buy life's necessities i.e. motherf#ck non-whites

With this simple example, it's not hard to understand the article

Peace

 

[#1 pick]

Things like this are just one of the many reasons I get super annoyed by well to do, highly educated black men marrying white women...I don't even feel like going into to it, but yes, it matters to have socio-economically mobile black men create black families.

While this has no barring collectively, it's a good look but more importantly, it makes it clear that Black women hold value. This is critical because same way Black men are valueless in economics by white supremacy, Black women are valued similarly in marriage prospectus and the better you are as a BW, the worse your prospectus will be.