Sons of Rich Blacks Fare No Better than Working Class White Sons - but different finding for Women

[Balla]

It's making me hopeless and want to give up, I was depressed after reading this. Makes me feel like I should of played in the NBA.

I don't give a fukk about these studies. I'm still out to get rich. Reading shyt like this does nothing but keep nikkas unmotivated and feeling hopeless.

 

[Swirv]

man this is so disheartening..........like whats the fukking point if ill probably just end up poor because of factors beyond my control

Don’t let this study shape your life. Keep taking care of yourself and being smart with your money.

 

[Neuromancer]

WE SHOULD NOT FEEL DISHEARTEND BY THIS STUDY BROTHERS. THIS SHOULD GIVE US DIRECTION AND STRENGTHEN OUR RESOLVE. OUR SONS NEED HELP AND SO WE MUST RISE TO THE CHALLENGE AS ONLY WE CAN. BECOME A MENTOR TO A YOUNG BLACK MAN. GIVE HIM ADVICE AND GAME. THIS SHOULD NOT DIM OUR LIGHT BUT ADD FUEL TO OUR FURNACES.

 

[truth2you]

WE SHOULD NOT FEEL DISHEARTEND BY THIS STUDY BROTHERS. THIS SHOULD GIVE US DIRECTION AND STRENGTHEN OUR RESOLVE. OUR SONS NEED HELP AND SO WE MUST RISE TO THE CHALLENGE AS ONLY WE CAN. BECOME A MENTOR TO A YOUNG BLACK MAN. GIVE HIM ADVICE AND GAME. THIS SHOULD NOT DIM OUR LIGHT BUT ADD FUEL TO OUR FURNACES.

I agree, but the problem is how can older people guide younger people, when the older people have no clue what's going on? Or the younger person doesn't want to hear what you have to say?

Most have no idea of the wealth disparity, the gig economy that is straight foul for working americans, the new redlining that is happening, and so much more. I was watching Queenzflip show on youtube, and these nikkas was saying there is no more racism, and "the white man aint holding you down". People are fronting for each other, and not telling the truth about their financial status, so its nearly impossible to guide a child because he will think its just you. I know because i went through this exact thing. I don't think I can do it again, all i did was argue with the kid because everyone around him was fronting on social media, the older people living off credit beyond their means, but are not being honest about it, and no one is enforcing using money to make money EXCEPT when bitcoin started getting big.

Everyone from the church to grandma is all about spending money to LOOK like you have wealth, but no one is really understand what's needed to obtain wealth, and keep it. If you bring up getting the government to play their role in making things fair, especially for black people, EVERYBODY becomes deaf. People have really accepted the idea that the government shouldn't help, and see it as handouts, but the same people who started this agenda are the same people who pay politicians to make the laws in their favor!

I hate to say it, but I think the people are gonna have to go through some hard times, before they wake up, and see the trick that was played on them. Right now, credit has allowed people live in a fantasy world, so anyone who talks different from what they see, is seen as negative or complaining. Now, its all about owning a business, yet most businesses fail. And even if your business does succeed, that doesn't mean you will have wealth, especially if you live off a lot of credit. You will just be working even more hours because you aren't sure if you will get a paycheck next week. Plus, everyone can't own a business, if they did who will be the workers!

 

[AlainLocke]

It's making me hopeless and want to give up, I was depressed after reading this. Makes me feel like I should of played in the NBA.

You probably should've played in the NBA...

But you just gotta fight and understand that your monetary aspirations are futile.

You are better off fighting the system and seek true wealth. A community wealth. Things like universal healthcare, free public college education.

If you seek to become rich....just treat it like a game...that you most likely not gonna win. Don't take it personally.

 

[Offthegrid]

I told my mom the other day y'all baby boomers born in 50s-70s had it easier than us you can get a factory warehouse post office ups FedEx job city jobs etc with no education retired after 25-30yrs live off that 401k n pension vacation til yall die. but we 80s babies gotta serve crack heroine bank fraud play sports n rap at same damn time just to make it out if poverty. Its more section 8 dreams out here

 

[AlainLocke]

. Even Sandy Darity stated that most Africans are on par or doing worse than AADoS in all cities outside of LA and Boston where they have numerous generational presence and they came at the right time when cacs was giving a share of wealth to Black folks.

This isn't true....

Black immigrants have more education and income than Native Blacks and they are also older and married. Black immigrants are even more educated than their fellow non-Black immigrants.

For all intents in purposes... Black immigrants live a very different life than DOS. Black immigrants for all intents and purposes are closer to then standard American way of life than the Native Black population.

It's not comparable. Unless you wanna talk about the pockets of immigrants such as Somalians that came over due to warfare and aren't educated but those are an outlier among the countless educated Africans that come from Nigeria, Egypt, South Africa, Ghana and Ethiopia.

https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/publications/2014/acs/acsbr12-16.pdf

Chapter 1: Statistical Portrait of the U.S. Black Immigrant Population

 

[#1 pick]

This isn't true....

Black immigrants have more education and income than Native Blacks and they are also older and married. Black immigrants are even more educated than their fellow non-Black immigrants.

For all intents in purposes... Black immigrants live a very different life than DOS. Black immigrants for all intents and purposes are closer to then standard American way of life than the Native Black population.

It's not comparable. Unless you wanna talk about the pockets of immigrants such as Somalians that came over due to warfare and aren't educated but those are an outlier among the countless educated Africans that come from Nigeria, Egypt, South Africa, Ghana and Ethiopia.

https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/publications/2014/acs/acsbr12-16.pdf

Chapter 1: Statistical Portrait of the U.S. Black Immigrant Population

Most of them came on a student visa in the 80s or even through family in the 90s. I bet if you did a survey, Africans will say most AADoS they encounter is much smarter than the average African in their country because your worse isn't traveling to African countries and other foreign countries. I wish we would be honest. Like I said, Yvette will make you look like a dumbass in a real conversation. This shyt works on YouTube where no one can challenge your bullshyt but not in real life.

Africans, AA and AADoS live the same lives. Go through the same job shyt depending on their financial and education status. Now The big difference is upbringing but we are comparing to the average Black family on the same financial footing. Just like the average Black family of equal footing, the average African family deals with much of the same bullshyt.

I am not about to have an oppression spar of words with you. Just know that the Yvette logic of foolishness is for the birds. Don't clap yourself

 

[#1 pick]

Don't feel like typing this again, so I'll quote from our previous posts:

"Where Tone is right is that some of these outliers are speaking for the Black community."

"his point is those programs were made for black americans, not other immigrants, and he has a point. He doesn't say it's wrong, its just that they benefited, yet distanced themselves,"

"Of course it isn't everyone, but I don't hear the other side complaining about this, and stopping it from happening. Maybe there are Africans there doing it, but I haven't heard anything."

I agree with what you quoted. Thank you for specifying.

 

[Wild self]

I told my mom the other day y'all baby boomers born in 50s-70s had it easier than us you can get a factory warehouse post office ups FedEx job city jobs etc with no education retired after 25-30yrs live off that 401k n pension vacation til yall die. but we 80s babies gotta serve crack heroine bank fraud play sports n rap at same damn time just to make it out if poverty. Its more section 8 dreams out here

I give America 6 more years before there is a societal fallout. How are people more educated, have a better sense of knowing how money is ran, and work harder, but they live a standard of living worse than their parents?

 

[Wild self]

People are wondering why black women are doing better. The answer is simple. They have a vagina. They're less intimidating, They don't have money problems because they have sugar daddies and simps paying their way. So they can finish college, whereas a black man will have to drop out if money problems strike. Black women have a better shot at the corporate gigs because the white boss prefers eye candy if he has to meet his quote for minorities. Why is there no disparity like this with white boys and girls? Because they look out for each other. They want/need white men to win as much as white women. Because of sexism, they prefer black women over men, because the women provide the opportunity for eye-candy and maybe more. The black man is intimidating, and only has a leg up if the white boss is gay.

This is an underrated post. The masculine black man with a deep voice is marginalized to the point where they don't want them to have any money or leverage. As in, they want black men wiped out from society as a whole on some Native American shyt. I been to doctor's offices, accounting firms, and even law offices where some Ned Flanders looking CAC have a bunch of visually beautiful black women working for him and eating off of his hand on some shyt.

 

[Big Brown Areola]

This, like all things in my mind, is a failure of our educational system.

It's not blk boys, single moms, absentee blk fathers, poverty or any other excuse we blame each other for.

Ur children literally spend more of their pivotal developmental years at school than they do at home. Most of how they are socialized comes from their school environments.

The majority of teachers ur blk male child will encounter in their k-12 career are white females. In college, White males, but by then it's too late in some cases.

Your blk boy will be a normal boy. He will want to move and play, learn engaging things. Laugh and joke and learn thru visuals, activities and investigation. However our school models are primarily designed for auditory learning and have been stripped of authentic learning experiences and opportunities to demonstrate mastery and learn concepts creatively.

When he does not fit the sit, spit and forget Western learning model, he will be
A.) Identified as a behavior problem
B.) Punished in ways that removes him from the educational setting
C.) Required to miss instructional time due to behaviors which leads to him falling behind
D.) Identified as a child with learning disabilities
E.) Placed in less rigorous learning environments year after year until it's almost impossible to access the general curriculum with his other peers

After around 8 years of this soul killing learning process, he feels like he is a failure, hates anything to do with written text, is nervous, unmotivated, depressed, starts self-medicating in some cases with weed or other drugs. And he's just waiting until he is 16 so he can drop out.

Being poor doesn't do this. Nor does being blk.
But growing up in an educational system that stifles intellectual development and creativity results in the instability we have in our community.

The only reason why blk females fare a bit better is b/c biologically girls don't chaffe at lecture instruction as much. While boys are punished for being boys in this model.

Modern education system is one of the most important tools in white supremacy.

How is it a failure?
Do you believe the government want black kids to succeed?

Ain't nothing changing while white people control our lives.

 

[Dwayne_Taylor]

Previous research suggests some reasons there may be a large income gap between black and white men, but not between women.

Other studies show that boys, across races, are more sensitive than girls to disadvantages like growing up in poverty or facing discrimination. While black women also face negative effects of racism, black men often experience racial discrimination differently. As early as preschool, they are more likely to be disciplined in school. They are pulled over or detained and searched by police officers more often.

“It’s not just being black but being male that has been hyper-stereotyped in this negative way, in which we’ve made black men scary, intimidating, with a propensity toward violence,” said Noelle Hurd, a psychology professor at the University of Virginia.

She said this racist stereotype particularly hurts black men economically, now that service-sector jobs, requiring interaction with customers, have replaced the manufacturing jobs that previously employed men with less education.

The new data shows that 21 percent of black men raised at the very bottom were incarcerated, according to a snapshot of a single day during the 2010 census. Black men raised in the top 1 percent — by millionaires — were as likely to be incarcerated as white men raised in households earning about $36,000

 

[DrBanneker]

This is not true. Almost all of the Black kids who had parents who had a business was in that business from 12 if not younger. Don't lie to the people man. Most Black folks don't own businesses. Most don't have the network, the net worth, the business savvy, the discipline but most importantly, the luck. It takes a bit of luck even if you do everything right. Black business owner mentors is critical as well. So many Black men got their start from my father. I think we underestimate that we all need mentorship and direction. 70% of all businesses fail. Hell, I created a number of failed businesses and I realized what I need to create a successful one.

You're right, sorry I meant to be clear that many professional Black folks don't have businesses to allow their kids into. That's what I mean letting them go to the wayside. There are not other options and their network is not wide enough to find Black business owners to hire/mentor them. All the Black business owners I know save one have their kids in it.

 

[Gravity]

Still though, while it's true that there has to be necessary failures in this system, why aren't Black men from well to do backgrounds not finding reasonable success in society? Why are so many failing? As you pointed out those of us from humble backgrounds have a LOT to go up against. So our accomplishments are noteworthy considering what we're up against. Still, why are Black women from well to do backgrounds finding success and using their backgrounds as leverage while a lot of Black men from similar backgrounds are floundering?

Think about it. Black women from well to do backgrounds likely avoid teenage pregnancy, avoid being raised by a single mother, have a father figure in their life, not surrounded by the toxic environments prevalent in lower income Black communities, etc.. At the same time they're going to better schools, have economic advantages, don't rely on public transportation, better medical care, etc.. I'm likely missing a ton of other positives, but the overall point is many are finding success comparable with their white female peers.

Black men from well to do backgrounds aren't faced with the pressure to sell dope, bang, lack of a father figure in their life, unfairly forced to become a man during what should be the enjoyable years of their youth, etc.. They're going to better schools, have economic advantages, don't rely on public transportation, etc.. Again I'm missing a ton of other positives, but the overall point is not only are they not finding comparable success with their white male counterparts, if I'm reading this right they're not even comparing well with Black women. Why is that?

Why do you think it is?

Black shea butter intersectional feminist on twitter are calling this study sexist..............because, patriarchy, that's why.
https://www.theroot.com/new-researc...source=theroot_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

They claim that the study excluded black females(which it didn't), as if they're aren't already plenty bodies of research, studies, initiatives that focus on black females specifically.

And they're also, claiming that black women are the ones who're double discriminated against and have it worse than black men, because............well, patriarchy, of course. fukk having to substantiate those claims with actual data and analysis. Who needs it when you have a bunch of superficial intersectional slogans, buzz words, and a widely accepted mainstream feminist narrative at your disposal. If you don't agree, that's misogynoir. Simple.

This is why I’m constantly telling people that you can’t trust black feminists or black liberals as a whole. I don’t care how much they selectively call out white supremacy, if they’re pushing this “black women have it worse than black men because of sexism/patriarchy” nonsense then they are complicit in the perpetuation of white supremacy. At this point, they ALL know that it’s a lie.