Sons of Rich Blacks Fare No Better than Working Class White Sons - but different finding for Women

[DrBanneker]

Do you not understand that that whole "teach your kids a lesson and make them get a job" mess is all bullshyt. White people tap directly into their privileges and wealth. Black people need to get off this "make your kids life harder" shyt. People need to understand that while other groups say all the bullshyt about work ethic they often times don't move ethically. Black people are the only group expected to be do shyt the right way and even then people be ready to Tulsa our shyt. We have to do differently and take every advantage possible. Make your black kids lives easier not harder.

White people don't let their kids fail as easily too. I have a business and a lot of my White customers and suppliers have their kids--even the doofus ones--working at their business and learning how to take it on later. Too many Black kids I know have successful parents that just gave up on them if they didn't meet expectations. But then again, they didn't have businesses to adopt them into,

 

[JerseyBoy23]

There is a book called the trouble with boys. it highlights how boys are treated like abhorrent girls by the school system. Black boys are the main targets. This is by design.

Is that the book where they establish how boys are supposed to be active instead of sitting still in a classroom all day?

 

[saturn7]

Black shea butter intersectional feminist on twitter are calling this study sexist..............because, patriarchy, that's why.
https://www.theroot.com/new-researc...source=theroot_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

They claim that the study excluded black females(which it didn't), as if they're aren't already plenty bodies of research, studies, initiatives that focus on black females specifically.

And they're also, claiming that black women are the ones who're double discriminated against and have it worse than black men, because............well, patriarchy, of course. fukk having to substantiate those claims with actual data and analysis. Who needs it when you have a bunch of superficial intersectional slogans, buzz words, and a widely accepted mainstream feminist narrative at your disposal. If you don't agree, that's misogynoir. Simple.

Carnell got at this. beginning around 45 mins

 

[#1 pick]

I don't know if this was posted, but Tone talks broke this article down, and shows why its not a well done study. He even made them change the title, that shows how strong he is with the facts!

The black guy they show is African, and white, he doesn't come from descendants of slaves which is something big when having this discussion since a lot of Africans come from well to do families, and some also have white privilege if they have a white parent. If you are black, chances are you were in debt when you got that big check, so you are paying them loans off. You have family you are helping, since we come from a legacy of being at the bottom due to slavery, and racism.

Whites who are rich usually have a legacy that helps them, so their college is payed for, they don't have to help family members because they come from money already. AND they get loans to build more wealth. All these people we think did things themselves usually came from money, and got huge money to star their business from family.

Tone talks, and Yvette Carnell are the only ones who break down the actual data of how things are, everyone else just talk about theories, and how they THINK things are. Claude Anderson is good to, but he deals mostly with the past, he doesn't go in depth on current situations like those two do.

He breaks all of this down in the video, and touches on things most don't even think about because we just don't want to acknowledge the place we are in right now, as black americans.

I really hate that Tone keeps talking about Africans in LA as if that's a reflection of Africans elsewhere. Africans in LA for the most part are 3rd generations deep. They came in the 60's and early 70's as refugee status due to war. Many benefited from AA just as much as many Blacks did at that time. Even Sandy Darity stated that most Africans are on par or doing worse than AADoS in all cities outside of LA and Boston where they have numerous generational presence and they came at the right time when cacs was giving a share of wealth to Black folks.

Tone needs to be honest about that. Don't let Yvette run that bullshyt game on you.

 

[Neuromancer]

Is that the book where they establish how boys are supposed to be active instead of sitting still in a classroom all day?

Yes.

 

[#1 pick]

White people don't let their kids fail as easily too. I have a business and a lot of my White customers and suppliers have their kids--even the doofus ones--working at their business and learning how to take it on later. Too many Black kids I know have successful parents that just gave up on them if they didn't meet expectations. But then again, they didn't have businesses to adopt them into,

This is not true. Almost all of the Black kids who had parents who had a business was in that business from 12 if not younger. Don't lie to the people man. Most Black folks don't own businesses. Most don't have the network, the net worth, the business savvy, the discipline but most importantly, the luck. It takes a bit of luck even if you do everything right. Black business owner mentors is critical as well. So many Black men got their start from my father. I think we underestimate that we all need mentorship and direction. 70% of all businesses fail. Hell, I created a number of failed businesses and I realized what I need to create a successful one.

 

[truth2you]

I really hate that Tone keeps talking about Africans in LA as if that's a reflection of Africans elsewhere. Africans in LA for the most part are 3rd generations deep. They came in the 60's and early 70's as refugee status due to war. Many benefited from AA just as much as many Blacks did at that time. Even Sandy Darity stated that most Africans are on par or doing worse than AADoS in all cities outside of LA and Boston where they have numerous generational presence and they came at the right time when cacs was giving a share of wealth to Black folks.

Tone needs to be honest about that. Don't let Yvette run that bullshyt game on you.

But he's right, they are being used to make it seem like things are getting better for blacks when that isn't the case, many of those don't represent the average black american, or the average African, I know that because I know some of them. Blacks in ivy league schools are a prime example. Also, his point is those programs were made for black americans, not other immigrants, and he has a point. He doesn't say it's wrong, its just that they benefited, yet distanced themselves, and that is right to be mad at that. Of course it isn't everyone, but I don't hear the other side complaining about this, and stopping it from happening. Maybe there are Africans there doing it, but I haven't heard anything.

 

[chowism]

I don't give a fukk about these studies. I'm still out to get rich. Reading shyt like this does nothing but keep nikkas unmotivated and feeling hopeless.

 

[#1 pick]

But he's right, they are being used to make it seem like things are getting better for blacks when that isn't the case, many of those don't represent the average black american, or the average African, I know that because I know some of them. Blacks in ivy league schools are a prime example. Also, his point is those programs were made for black americans, not other immigrants, and he has a point. He doesn't say it's wrong, its just that they benefited, yet distanced themselves, and that is right to be mad at that. Of course it isn't everyone, but I don't hear the other side complaining about this, and stopping it from happening. Maybe there are Africans there doing it, but I haven't heard anything.

He's wrong. Most represent the average African American by Sandy Darity own data. Anyone going to fukking Harvard is not the average anything. Sandy calls them outliers. Where Tone is right is that some of these outliers are speaking for the Black community. The upper echelon my type of people class and even some Africans like Issa Rae. I've explained this numerous times, Black people going to Harvard are going to be from ALL over the world and they can compete. The vast majority will come from privilege and an upper class. This generally excludes the average AADoS regardless as well as the average 1st or 2nd gen African. This is why your point is full of shyt. It doesn't hold any water. The AADoS going to these schools have been attending these schools from generations and are a part of the Links, Jack and Jills, etc. Unless you happen to be that perfect score brotha or a good athlete brotha who got a football chance, most Ivies aren't picking the average anything. This is why I think your point is trash and Tone is trash for bringing it up without context. It's just another way to create divide when we all fukked up in this shyt. All of us. Don't let them fool you.

 

[truth2you]

This is not true. Almost all of the Black kids who had parents who had a business was in that business from 12 if not younger. Don't lie to the people man. Most Black folks don't own businesses. Most don't have the network, the net worth, the business savvy, the discipline but most importantly, the luck. It takes a bit of luck even if you do everything right. Black business owner mentors is critical as well. So many Black men got their start from my father. I think we underestimate that we all need mentorship and direction. 70% of all businesses fail. Hell, I created a number of failed businesses and I realized what I need to create a successful one.

True! My mother had her own business for over 10 years, before that is was with her sisters, and me & my sister always played a role in running the shop. Whether it was cleaning or doing reception work. She sold it because NYC was changing, we didn't want to do the business as immigrants were willing to work for cheaper prices all day & night, so she took that money to live better in the south. She always say I should have took it over, but it wasn't worth the stress to me. If I knew more about business at the time, I still could have turned the business into something else, but like you said, I didn't know people into business like that, just mom & pops shops. My family down south had businesses but that was in construction, so they couldn't help me, and its a different system compared to NYC. In NYC there are so many regulations, and mob ties, shyt is annoying.

And you're right, she got lucky because the previous owner saw how hard she worked, and gave a her a good deal on the building, blacks helped each other back then. She paid it off in 3 years. I' not gonna go into detail, but she got a GOOD deal for that building, and it had tenants.

 

[truth2you]

He's wrong. Most represent the average African American by Sandy Darity own data. Anyone going to fukking Harvard is not the average anything. Sandy calls them outliers. Where Tone is right is that some of these outliers are speaking for the Black community. The upper echelon my type of people class and even some Africans like Issa Rae. I've explained this numerous times, Black people going to Harvard are going to be from ALL over the world and they can compete. The vast majority will come from privilege and an upper class. This generally excludes the average AADoS regardless as well as the average 1st or 2nd gen African. This is why your point is full of shyt. It doesn't hold any water. The AADoS going to these schools have been attending these schools from generations and are a part of the Links, Jack and Jills, etc. Unless you happen to be that perfect score brotha or a good athlete brotha who got a football chance, most Ivies aren't picking the average anything. This is why I think your point is trash and Tone is trash for bringing it up without context. It's just another way to create divide when we all fukked up in this shyt. All of us. Don't let them fool you.

Did you read what I wrote?

I said they don't represent the average black, African or american!

I wrote they are being used to make it look like they do.

i think you didn't read my post correctly, out of anger.

Tone says this, as well as the other things I wrote, so I don't see how he is wrong. He can't make me hate on another black man, its the actions of that person that will.

 

[⠝⠕⠏⠑]

This, like all things in my mind, is a failure of our educational system.

It's not blk boys, single moms, absentee blk fathers, poverty or any other excuse we blame each other for.

Ur children literally spend more of their pivotal developmental years at school than they do at home. Most of how they are socialized comes from their school environments.

The majority of teachers ur blk male child will encounter in their k-12 career are white females. In college, White males, but by then it's too late in some cases.

Your blk boy will be a normal boy. He will want to move and play, learn engaging things. Laugh and joke and learn thru visuals, activities and investigation. However our school models are primarily designed for auditory learning and have been stripped of authentic learning experiences and opportunities to demonstrate mastery and learn concepts creatively.

When he does not fit the sit, spit and forget Western learning model, he will be
A.) Identified as a behavior problem
B.) Punished in ways that removes him from the educational setting
C.) Required to miss instructional time due to behaviors which leads to him falling behind
D.) Identified as a child with learning disabilities
E.) Placed in less rigorous learning environments year after year until it's almost impossible to access the general curriculum with his other peers

After around 8 years of this soul killing learning process, he feels like he is a failure, hates anything to do with written text, is nervous, unmotivated, depressed, starts self-medicating in some cases with weed or other drugs. And he's just waiting until he is 16 so he can drop out.

Being poor doesn't do this. Nor does being blk.
But growing up in an educational system that stifles intellectual development and creativity results in the instability we have in our community.

The only reason why blk females fare a bit better is b/c biologically girls don't chaffe at lecture instruction as much. While boys are punished for being boys in this model.

Modern education system is one of the most important tools in white supremacy.

 

[#1 pick]

Did you read what I wrote?

I said they don't represent the average black, African or american!

I wrote they are being used to make it look like they do.

i think you didn't read my post correctly, out of anger.

Tone says this, as well as the other things I wrote, so I don't see how he is wrong. He can't make me hate on another black man, its the actions of that person that will.

Where was Tone right?

 

[#1 pick]

This, like all things in my mind, is a failure of our educational system.

It's not blk boys, single moms, absentee blk fathers, poverty or any other excuse we blame each other for.

Ur children literally spend more of their pivotal developmental years at school than they do at home. Most of how they are socialized comes from their school environments.

The majority of teachers ur blk male child will encounter in their k-12 career are white females. In college, White males, but by then it's too late in some cases.

Your blk boy will be a normal boy. He will want to move and play, learn engaging things. Laugh and joke and learn thru visuals, activities and investigation. However our school models are primarily designed for auditory learning and have been stripped of authentic learning experiences and opportunities to demonstrate mastery and learn concepts creatively.

When he does not fit the sit, spit and forget Western learning model, he will be
A.) Identified as a behavior problem
B.) Punished in ways that removes him from the educational setting
C.) Required to miss instructional time due to behaviors which leads to him falling behind
D.) Identified as a child with learning disabilities
E.) Placed in less rigorous learning environments year after year until it's almost impossible to access the general curriculum with his other peers

After around 8 years of this soul killing learning process, he feels like he is a failure, hates anything to do with written text, is nervous, unmotivated, depressed, starts self-medicating in some cases with weed or other drugs. And he's just waiting until he is 16 so he can drop out.

Being poor doesn't do this. Nor does being blk.
But growing up in an educational system that stifles intellectual development and creativity results in the instability we have in our community.

The only reason why blk females fare a bit better is b/c biologically girls don't chaffe at lecture instruction as much. While boys are punished for being boys in this model.

Modern education system is one of the most important tools in white supremacy.

I wish my teacher was Booksnrain. I would always try to choose her for teacher of the year.

 

[truth2you]

Where was Tone right?

Don't feel like typing this again, so I'll quote from our previous posts:

"Where Tone is right is that some of these outliers are speaking for the Black community."

"his point is those programs were made for black americans, not other immigrants, and he has a point. He doesn't say it's wrong, its just that they benefited, yet distanced themselves,"

"Of course it isn't everyone, but I don't hear the other side complaining about this, and stopping it from happening. Maybe there are Africans there doing it, but I haven't heard anything."