Sons of Rich Blacks Fare No Better than Working Class White Sons - but different finding for Women

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Start a business.

This actually makes the case for starting a business even stronger.

 

[Shadow]

EDIT: My mistake, I didn't know you posted the link already.

Women of all races fare better than their male counterparts because men are not meant to learn by sitting still in a classroom.

This is a very interesting point. Thank you for saying it, it made me look this up.

Our culture at large needs to do more to support boys and their unique hardwiring in educational settings. Although my sons have the advantage of great teachers and a nationally respected school district, the structure of our educational system does not favor boys’ unique learning styles. For those with financial and geographical barriers to accessing educational support services (tutoring, etc.), the circumstances are much more grim. We, as a nation, are failing our young men in the area of educational support. And we need to change that.
Studies utilizing PET scans and MRIs show that boys learn very differently than girls. One of the pioneers studying gender learning-style differences, Michael Gurian, reports several key factors differentiating girl/boy learning:

• Boys show more areas in the brain dedicated to spatial-mechanical strengths, whereas girls generally demonstrate a focus on verbal-emotive processing.
• Girls are generally hardwired to be less impulsive, enabling them to sit still, focus, read, and write at an earlier age than boys.
• Boys are often misdiagnosed with learning disabilities and attention-deficit issues when educators are not aware of the delicate neurology of the male developing brain.
• Boys’ brains need more rest times during a day of learning. When bored, boys tend to “zone out” more than girls and require rest periods before reengaging in learning.
• Boys are hardwired to be single-task focused, whereas girls’ hardwiring demonstrates strength in multitasking. Transitions are more difficult for boys due to this lateralization of the brain versus typical female cross communication of brain hemispheres.
• Less oxytocin in the brain of males leads to more aggression and playful rough-housing. Girls, on the other hands, are more predisposed to cooperative negotiation, have a much easier time with impulse control, and can sit “criss-cross-apple-sauce” in the reading circle with ease. Many boys have a difficult time sitting still to hear the teacher’s story, as they are movement-driven (kinesthetic) in their learning process (research and findings cited from Gurian, 2006).

How Boys’ Learning Styles Differ (and How We Can Support Them)

I've always liked to work with my hands and learn by doing. When I was a kid I loved watching Bill the Nye the Science Guy because it made science fun and it interested me. Then when I got to school Science class was us just sitting at desks, looking at textbooks and copying things from the board. Hands on experiments were made to be secondary. Eventually school started to disinterest me and I started to talk more and make people laugh. I stopped caring about learning because of the way the subjects were taught not because I couldn't learn 'the right way'. I imagine many other students were the same way.

It's so boring to learn about stuff as a kid by just sitting still and listening to the teacher. How can a kid be engaged in that? It's not engaging at all. If anything it leads to many students falling behind and they don't understand why they have to just sit and be quiet. Learning is supposed to be fun. Too many teachers seem to think all students should learn the same way and when one gets out of line they have 'behavioral problems' or 'learning disabilities.' And I was actually in the gifted program, I guess I just got bored in other classes.

Think about it, which tactic would get students more interested in art?

1. Sitting in class and reading about artists, art techniques and simply copying things from a book for the eventual test.
2. Doing art in class with paint, water color, clay, etc and going to museums to see art up close.

For me as a kid it was always 2. Many kids were the same as me. Now that I'm older I look up artists/writers, watch documentaries, read about techniques, etc but me as a kid was different.

 

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I can sorta attest. My siblings and I were raised upper middle class and while my mother is still doing OK/same lifestyle/stable - due to rentals and investments my father made while he was living.

The girls are doing way better than my only brother. And he has just as much education and experience than us.

My brother is just making it. He as a degree but he is no where close to what my father/parents made or had. Nor did he really take time to learn about rental properties and entrepreneurship.

It's not even about entrepreneurship - cause that is even hard to keep up and easy to go down the drain - it's way harder than most think. I can vouch for that.

The issue is opportunities to not only keep the money/assets aka legacy given from our parents but the opp to make even more on top of that without having to tap in to it.

Poor whites get opps with no experience sometimes - that is rare for a Black man.

It's really about INSURANCE and limited TRUST FUNDS for your children. If Black parents are not leaving insurance and setting up trust for their children and grandchildren - it leads them to many times to the road of hard times and poverty..

 

[Master Teacher]

Rich black people don't invest in creating black communities they try to assimiliate into white society

Until black athletes black intellectuals black entertainers black business men black politicians black ex military sit down together to create an eco system for black people this will always be the case

This true because of shyt like same dash said on breakfast club if you don't have a business to pass down to kids you leave them at the mercy of the system

If you not becoming a lawyer or doctor there is zero reason to get a degree

Need to focus on building skills

You can learn how to fly a plane or be an air traffic controller in high a school and start making 100k at 18 but they never tell nikkaz this shyt

Need black owned airlines
In black cities black owned energy companies
nikkaz have enough money to do this but rich nikkaz are not thinking about uplifting the entire race

That's why it's important to get rid of the c00n mentality for good all c00ns need to be pubically lambasted and exiled from black culture

All these rich nikkaz got to do is buy all the houses in the hood and develop around them.not only will they get insanely rich but will also give poor people a nice place to live so the children can grow up differently
Hire goons to be neighborhood security they should be busying heads of community threats not be the threat themselves

But it all starts witgg self love and racial prise

A black man invented the goddamn cell phone

All our greatest minds are used to make our enemies richer

All this african vs african American shyt needs to stop black Americans need to invest in african infrastructure and african millionaires need to invest in the hood

Until every nikka on the globe is on code we will never have an independent society where we can't get victimized

 

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@The Wave @kittenheels @Golden @Elle Driver
@Hiphoplives4eva

 

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This follows last year's study regarding Black wealth, and ties in perfectly.
Black middle and upper class people who decide to continue to reside in lower-income Black communities fare far worse, have a much more explicit issue with education achievement gaps, are still far more likely to face incarceration and abuse at the hands of the justice system, and basically bleed any wealth they may have because of plummeting housing values and little access to jobs. Black fathers, alongside Black mothers, are necessary.
A key point is that there are far more likely to be professional and successful Black men in an area where you have Black fatherhood at a high-rate; successful Black fathers are far more likely to be present.

And @String Bell no one said Black men are "privileged" the claim is that Black men have a privilege courtesy of their being Black (lower sexual abuse rates, lower domestic violence rates, sex-trafficking is less of a danger, higher pay than their female counterparts in many fields, etc.) The trade-off for Black men is that due to poverty, violence is endemic.
Reading is fundamental.

That's not what this study stated breh. I kid you not the amount of dumbass nikkas and sistas who cannot read or comprehend befuddled me.

 

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The biggest take away for me was the part about black boys doing better in areas where there are a lot of black fathers, even the ones that don't have fathers.



Being fatherless is literally the worst thing you can inflict on a young boy and people still haven't realized this.

While its important, it states that these are locations that Black people don't score as extremely racist. It's clear as day, Black fathers present has more to do with white supremacy more than sistas or brothas are leading on. The most racist, the more likely to see single parenthood. White supremacy is hand in hand with Black failure.

 

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This is the part that interests me more than anything.




It's been documented well enough that Black women are surpassing Black men when it comes to higher eduction. I'm seeing as much personally just looking at my own and other departments. I work in a large office building and I see FAR more Black women making strides professionally than I do Black men.


That's what piques my curiosity more than anything. What's the difference between young Black men and women causing the latter to seemingly excel past the former? To be even more specific, I'm especially curious about the differences between the two minus the typical oppression talking points. That's not to completely disregard how Black men are viewed and treated in society, so don't get me wrong. Still though, beyond Black women, why are some Black men doing okay while others fall behind? I might catch some flack for this, but I believe there's only so much that can be blamed on this society at a certain point.

I find it to be less obvious as I went to school at a white area from a Black area. What I noticed was:

1. Most teachers are white supremacist minded. They might not say it, or even pick you out of a crowd but they don't care to really help you. In the Black schools, I always had Black teachers who wanted to teach and wanted to really see me and other BB win.

2. You criminalized like a mothafukka in middle school and if you not a great athlete, you are a mark to cacs.

3. You just don't fit in. In my Black school, kids came to my house and we played football every day. We did a lot of cool shyt. We had fun.

In the white neighborhood, they were nice but they never wanted to get too close. I was an out going kid. I would go to all my adult neighbors, ask them questions, find out there interest and they would teach me what they do and how they do it.

In the white neighborhood, they spoke when I walked passed them but they didn't fukk with me. Especially when I became a teenager. I might have turned into a fukking ghost.

4. You just aren't shyt if you are not an athlete so instead of wanting to be my own version of Bill Gates, I wanted to be my own version of Michael Jordan. I lived the sport and I couldn't see my life without the sport as just saying I played meant white people and black people would treat me different to the chagrin of my parents but they didn't walk in my shoes. They just couldn't relate. It's all so new to all of us.


All in all, people see me today and think wow, it worked but honestly. I would never want this shyt for any of my sons. shyt, I don't want it for my daughter's either. Where there beauty is #3 place to white or other women and space then them. fukk that. fukk it!

I get mad thinking about it.

 

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I don't disagree with the study, but I suspect it's not accounting for something: multi-generational wealth.

The "rich" black boys most likely come from households where their parents grew up working class/middle class but happened to receive great educations that led to great careers. Essentially, their parents ARE the "Talented Tenth." "Rich" white boys (probably) come from households where the wealth has been in the family much longer. The children are merely around to manage existing wealth. They major in Art History at Harvard because there's no expectation that they'll ever really work outside of philanthropy, mission trips etc.

The rich black boys may come from well-off parents, but they aren't in a position to just manage wealth. They have to match the achievements of their parents....at least.....to continue building that War Chest. The boys have access to cars, clothes, good looking girls etc., and lose the edge that their parents had.

White supremacy is the biggest factor, but black kids have to maintain an edge/hunger to fight it. If you're black and male and your parents are rich, you'll be fine if you take full advantage of everything offered to you. However, if you slack off a bit like your white peers.....you'll end up in much worse shape because you may lack the coping skills and hustle of a poor black kid BUT also lack the connections of a rich white kid. I'd also add that black girls tend to be trained, while black boys are loved. That is, in our community we tend to be harder on our girls and demand more from them while we don't push our boys as hard academically. We accept B's from our son's. Too many black boys have "A+" brains but we accept "B-" level results.

 

[BaileyPark31]

The issue is too many middle class brothers want to be street dudes. Hell a black man from a middle class area is clowned for it sometimes.

Theres threads on here that diss suburban middle class dudes

 

[Wiles]

I try to tell them that there is no such thing as a Black middle class and there is barely an upper Black class...

When you own less than 5 percent of wealth in the entire nation and you been here like the second longest...

Your million dollars in the bank is different from the White man's million dollars...

Yessa boss whites mans ice is colder then a black mans ice looking ass c00ns in this thread

 

[BaileyPark31]

The issue is too many middle class brothers want to be street dudes. Hell a black man from a middle class area is clowned for it sometimes.

Theres threads on here that diss suburban middle class dudes

 

[Wiles]

@String Bell I'd rather black feminists stayed out of this thread they don't care about us. so this is not their buisness.

They don't
they rather be fake pro black and bedwench

 

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And as much as these white/asian/indian kids are arguing against affirmative action at top academic institutions, black people need to start arguing against legacy admissions because it is giving these average and mediocre rich white kids a back door into these top academic institutions and therefore access to a very powerful network, when, all things considered, they wouldn't qualify to get in without that legacy clause.

Just looked up the statistic, while acceptance rates are declining at Harvard and other highly competitive academic instutitions, legacy admissions make up 1/3 of each incoming class.

Harvard's incoming freshman class is one-third legacy—here's why that's a problem

Legacy students tend to be wealthy and white, students who, as a group, are already disproportionately represented at college. The New York Times found that, at five Ivy League schools, Dartmouth, Princeton, Yale, Penn and Brown, as well as 33 other colleges, there are more students from families in the top one percent than from the entire bottom 60 percent.

And this is why the elites use black and brown affirmtive action as a smoke and mirror to throw folks off the scent of their legacy clauses because they are essentially an affirmative action for the rich. We need to be serious and vocal about this shyt, if affirmative action is up for debate, then so is legacy admissions.

 

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So you gonna let these "studies" and cacs stop you? That's what they want you to do....quit and not be shyt. Refuse to give them the satisfaction. We are used to always having to do more than our counterparts. shyt ain't nothing new. Education is something NO ONE can take away from you...take advantage of it and treat it seriously in your household. And truth be told, companies DO like having diversity. Now when it gets to those higher positions, it's definitely something that is harder, but it's not impossible.

Look at all the brothers throughout history who found a way to be successful in times much worse than we have today. fukk all that defeatist attitude and mentality shyt.