Sons of Rich Blacks Fare No Better than Working Class White Sons - but different finding for Women

[dora_da_destroyer]

I didn't deflect anything.... I just said black women do it too. You deflected. I'm not tryna argue or anything, but I have heard in person from black women saying they are tired of black men and are dating other races. Guess what tho, they are dating thugs, athletes, not professional dudes, they don't say they're done with those type of black men, just black men in general.

They both do it.

we're clearly not talking about the same class of people - the class the article is describing. black women at the level of mobility they're discussing are not dating thugs and undesirables nor chasing after athletes

 

[BigMan]

Things like this are just one of the many reasons I get super annoyed by well to do, highly educated black men marrying white women...I don't even feel like going into to it, but yes, it matters to have socio-economically mobile black men create black families.

Do you have the statistics to back this up?
I find most of these arguments to be purely anectodal

 

[Astroslik]

breh, like i said, i'm not going into this because yall love to deflect here. i can look across my peer circle (ivy/top 20 university school grads) and living environment (bay area) - way more educated, high earning black dudes marry/date out than black women. what's worse is for the most part, at least at the college level, we outnumber our black male counterparts - they literally have the odds in their favor and ~1/3 of them still choose other.

see my post above...in the places i've lived and circles i run in, educated black women are marrying "other" at a significantly lesser rate than BM. there's a reason so many educated BW are single/unmarried/married much later in life

edit: there's also the fact that mother's are more responsible for the socialization of their kids (think extracurriculars, play dates, etc.) a white mom, save for those real try-hard "oooh i love african culture" chicks, doesnt have any connection to blackness and way less likely to ensure their kids break out of the white bubble by having them in places where the majority of (or even a good number of) people are black

Okay so you sort of proved our point.

If black women outnumber men naturally some will be left out. And I went to a pwi and run with the same peer circle such as yourself and the percentage of bm and bw are so low that all nikkas get exposed to for the most part are cacs. Most bw at these schools ain’t checking for the average bookworm nikka, they want the elite 1% that plays football or basketball

Non bw want the few nikkas that actually attend the school so they usually throw it at them and make it easy.


My cousin goes to northwestern and he never really fukked with ww until he got there, not enough bw.

University of Chicago is the same way

 

[Poitier]

By analyzing census data Toldson and Marks found that 83 percent of married black men who earned at least $100,000 annually got hitched to black women. The same is the case for educated black men of all incomes. 85 percent of black male college graduates married black women. Generally, 88 percent of married black men (no matter their income or educational background) have black wives.

https://www.morehouse.edu/media/psychology/pdfs/VITAE academic - Bryant Marks.pdf
https://www.morehouse.edu/centers/mri/bios/itoldson.html

I wonder what the percentages look like for college educated and 100k income Black women?

 

[Supper]

Black women are actually the ones to tend to marry interracial more as they increase in income and education as a group. Black men tend to marry interracial and intraracially at more or less the same socio-economic levels. Black women who marry interracially also tend to marry WAY down in terms of socio-economic quality with white men.

Yep, and in all of that he forgot to mention that white women marry out at an even lower rate than black women(%10). But, they're somehow the disloyal ones

And again I don't have anything against IR marriage, per say, but if we're going to go there in terms of using it to measure in group loyalty.........

Income and education do provide more opportunity to assimilate into the dominant white society via marriage. Multiple studies show black women JUMP at the opportunity to do so.

Black men white wife

- median income: $25,413:

- college educated: %20.3​

Black men black wife

- median income: $25,413

- college educated: %18.0​

Black women white husband

- median income: $25,318

- college educated: %31.2​

Black women black husband

- median income: $21,347

- college educated :%24.3​

And even still black women settle for the lowest quality white husbands, while hispanic and asian women get HIGHER than average quality white husbands, yet he's trying to paint it as THEY'RE the ones who are self-hating and desperate for white men, and black women aren't

Black women bring more to the table than any other race of women, including white women, in marriages with white men, yet they get the lowest quality white husbands of them all.

Black woman white husband

- median income: $25,318​

White woman white husband

- median income: $22,279​

Hispanic woman white husband

- median income: $20,330
​

Asian woman white husband

- median income: $17,281

​

When it comes to white men, black women be doin' the most for the least. And yet some of them have the nerve to rag on the white chicks that black men get with. lol

And, yes, to be fair, black men do get lower than average quality white wives, using the same metrics. But, they aren't the LOWEST quality, as they come in at second to lowest after white women married to hispanic men.

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/files/2012/02/SDT-Intermarriage-II.pdf
(Table A6)

 

[xoxodede]

I really hate that Tone keeps talking about Africans in LA as if that's a reflection of Africans elsewhere. Africans in LA for the most part are 3rd generations deep. They came in the 60's and early 70's as refugee status due to war. Many benefited from AA just as much as many Blacks did at that time. Even Sandy Darity stated that most Africans are on par or doing worse than AADoS in all cities outside of LA and Boston where they have numerous generational presence and they came at the right time when cacs was giving a share of wealth to Black folks.

Tone needs to be honest about that. Don't let Yvette run that bullshyt game on you.

Tone and Yvette are right though. Not being funny. I have fact-checked most of what they have stated.

Do you have the link or source for the bolded?

I have read a lot of Mr. Darity and I haven't seen that. He concluded that they hold the same status they did in their native countries - as well as most immigrants become entrepreneurs/self-employed. Yes, they still have challenges -- but they are not on par or worst off than AADOS.

“Consider the classic immigrant narrative of upward mobility: new immigrants arrive in the United States and climb the urban escalator from poverty to middle-class status. Ostensibly this happens over and over again, even if the immigrants are black West Indians or recent black immigrants from the African continent. Why, then, do some groups not display the same degree of economic success, e.g., native black Americans? Don't the differences in outcomes have to be explained by different cultural orientations toward work, education, and achievement?... The stratification economist would look to the effects of selectivity and recognize from the outset that immigrant populations, particularly voluntary immigrant populations, are intrinsically different from populations of non-movers.

T]he first generation of Japanese children born in the United States was likely to come disproportionately from middle class families… Suzanne Model's new book on West Indian immigrants to the United States tells roughly the same story of immigrant selectivity coupled with some evidence of white favoritism toward West Indian over native black Americans… the best available evidence indicates that, overall, immigrants from sub-Saharan Africa do not have superior labor-market outcomes to those of native black Americans, but they do enter the United States with markedly superior resources than black Americans… The net conclusion provides support for a lateral mobility proposition--the reproduction of their relative status in their country of origin by immigrants in the United States--rather than upward mobility.”​

Lateral Mobility: The idea behind lateral mobility is basically a flexibility in choosing specialties, and the ability to move between specialties if desired. Source: Physician Assistant FAQ: What is "lateral mobility?"

Which can be explained by this:

The majority of immigrants who came to the United States after the passage of the 1965 Immigration Act are highly educated, possess higher levels of wealth than the average American, and are highly skilled professionals who are more likely to hold jobs that pay more.

Additionally, among nonwhite groups, Japanese ($592,000), Asian Indian ($460,000), Chinese ($408,200) and Filipino ($243,000) households had estimated median net worth values far in excess of blacks who recently moved to the Los Angeles area from Africa ($72,000), other Latinos ($42,500), Koreans ($23,400) and Vietnamese ($61,500).

Source: New study reveals nuanced story behind wealth disparity across racial and ethnic groups in L.A.​

And on Entreprenuership:

Immigrant and U.S. Born Have Differing Wealth Levels
In addition to the segments based on business focus, the difference between immigrant Black business owners and U.S.-born Black business owners is examined. In general, research tends to evaluate Black entrepreneurs as one large group when, in fact, experiences are likely to differ widely depending on place of origin. AEO commissioned a report that pursued a novel comparison of the experiences of U.S.-born Blacks and immigrant Blacks, shedding new light on the barriers faced by Black Americans in creating and running successful businesses. There are important differences between U.S.-born Black and immigrant Black business owners. Understanding these differences can help to ensure that support mechanisms are geared appropriately to businesses with varying needs.

There are two intriguing data points from this examination. First, Black immigrants have a significantly higher business ownership rate (5.1 percent) compared to U.S.-born Blacks at 2.5 percent, but both are behind the ownership rate of nonHispanic Whites (7 percent). Second, immigrant Blacks tend to locate, on average, in similarly lower-performing industrial sectors. The reasons for the substantially higher ownership rate for immigrant Blacks may be a result of their higher median wealth, which would facilitate start-up. The median wealth differential is a function of higher marriage rates (half of immigrant Blacks are married versus about a third of U.S.-born), which correlates with higher household income (+33 percent); and they have higher home values (on average, 56 percent higher), thus allowing for easier access to credit. In fact, our study found that the most important factor limiting business ownership among U.S.-born Blacks is lack of wealth.16

What this means is that starting a business is harder for U.S.-born Blacks, on the whole, and supports that address the capital needed to start and fund growth are more critical for them, on average, than for immigrant Black groups.

Source: https://aeoworks.org/images/uploads/fact_sheets/AEO_Black_Owned_Business_Report_02_16_17_FOR_WEB.pdf​

This is also a great report on the differences between Native and Immigrant Black in terms of wealth and more: http://home.uchicago.edu/~arauh/Rauh2013b.pdf

 

[VICVALLIN]

I think a lot of it is black peoples', or more specifically black people who grew up poor, aversion to nepotism. even after achieving a measure of economic success, black people will still say shyt like, "ain't nobody help me. get out there and help yourself." even I need to check myself about saying that shyt. I also noticed parents in general regardless of ethnicity, will do more to ensure their daughters succeed as opposed to their sons. its frowned upon for a man to live at home after graduating high school. I know mad women who moved back home after graduating college. hell, when i first met my wife she was living with her grandma in a house her mother owned. many a black father has kicked their sons out of the house at 18 or at least threatened to. rarely does that happen to their daughters. that shyt needs to stop if the playing field is to be evened. if you have the means to, you should give your child even leg up you possibly can, even if its just leaving at home while in college and helping pay for books or some shyt. just don't let your children go into crazy debt before they even get their adult life started. that pretty much ensures your family will never have generational wealth. just a bunch of indebted negroes with, "good jobs" at best.

 

[Astroslik]

I wonder what the percentages look like for college educated and 100k income Black women?

nobody wants to talk about this

 

[Formerly Black Trash]

The issue is too many middle class brothers want to be street dudes. Hell a black man from a middle class area is clowned for it sometimes.

No

 

[Formerly Black Trash]

AAs are kinda fukked. I feel really bad for the well to do women who feel pressured ‘cause that might have to pick from this bunch, which is why I’m not truly bothered when they wench or whatever.

Most of my social circle is non-AA black men and we all are either doing well or in the process (college, entry-level, etc).

Saw nikkas in nice neighborhoods and who went to good schools fail at life. nikkas who didn’t know how to read at their grade level, gravitated towards BS, oversexed, etc. What a failure of a group y’all are.

If I ever have a son I’m gonna make sure I’m there every step of the way cuz I wouldn’t want him to turn out like y’all.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Okay so you sort of proved our point.

If black women outnumber men naturally some will be left out. And I went to a pwi and run with the same peer circle such as yourself and the percentage of bm and bw are so low that all nikkas get exposed to for the most part are cacs. Most bw at these schools ain’t checking for the average bookworm nikka, they want the elite 1% that plays football or basketball

Non bw want the few nikkas that actually attend the school so they usually throw it at them and make it easy.


My cousin goes to northwestern and he never really fukked with ww until he got there, not enough bw.

University of Chicago is the same way

no they don't...white girls are the main chicks chasing athletes in college. BW are simply trying to date all types of BM on campus because most of us know college educated BM are in short supply.

and a pwi does not automatically = elite universities, most schools with high profile athletes aren't elite universities either, and the ones that are (Stanford, Duke, Northwestern (to an extent), UCLA, Cal, Mich, UVA), women care about the smart nikka just as much, if not more, than the athlete.

and not enough BW? as i said, on average, BW outnumber BM in college, altho at the elite schools, it's pretty 50-50

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Do you have the statistics to back this up?
I find most of these arguments to be purely anectodal

i have seen stats on black marriage by education/economic level, no i'm not going to spend my time googling them, you can. those studies paired with what i already said was my observation from being a part of the highly educated black crowd and where i live have shown me more upwardly mobile/high earning BM married to "other" than BW

 

[Serious]

I think a lot of it is black peoples', or more specifically black people who grew up poor, aversion to nepotism. even after achieving a measure of economic success, black people will still say shyt like, "ain't nobody help me. get out there and help yourself." even I need to check myself about saying that shyt. I also noticed parents in general regardless of ethnicity, will do more to ensure their daughters succeed as opposed to their sons. its frowned upon for a man to live at home after graduating high school. I know mad women who moved back home after graduating college. hell, when i first met my wife she was living with her grandma in a house her mother owned. many a black father has kicked their sons out of the house at 18 or at least threatened to. rarely does that happen to their daughters. that shyt needs to stop if the playing field is to be evened. if you have the means to, you should give your child even leg up you possibly can, even if its just leaving at home while in college and helping pay for books or some shyt. just don't let your children go into crazy debt before they even get their adult life started. that pretty much ensures your family will never have generational wealth. just a bunch of indebted negroes with, "good jobs" at best.

Exactly, I suggest if you have a chance to stay at a home and stack up, I say do it.....

 

[xoxodede]

nobody wants to talk about this

As a Black woman - I would love to see and talk about this. I can only say the BW I know are married to Black man - making way less -- or single.

From personal experience - making more than your man even when being supportive leads to issues. And it's usually on his end - meaning he has the issue with it.

It's the issue many run into.

 

[#1 pick]

Tone and Yvette are right though. Not being funny. I have fact-checked most of what they have stated.

Do you have the link or source for the bolded?

I have read a lot of Mr. Darity and I haven't seen that. He concluded that they hold the same status they did in their native countries - as well as most immigrants become entrepreneurs/self-employed. Yes, they still have challenges -- but they are not on par or worst off than AADOS.

“Consider the classic immigrant narrative of upward mobility: new immigrants arrive in the United States and climb the urban escalator from poverty to middle-class status. Ostensibly this happens over and over again, even if the immigrants are black West Indians or recent black immigrants from the African continent. Why, then, do some groups not display the same degree of economic success, e.g., native black Americans? Don't the differences in outcomes have to be explained by different cultural orientations toward work, education, and achievement?... The stratification economist would look to the effects of selectivity and recognize from the outset that immigrant populations, particularly voluntary immigrant populations, are intrinsically different from populations of non-movers.

T]he first generation of Japanese children born in the United States was likely to come disproportionately from middle class families… Suzanne Model's new book on West Indian immigrants to the United States tells roughly the same story of immigrant selectivity coupled with some evidence of white favoritism toward West Indian over native black Americans… the best available evidence indicates that, overall, immigrants from sub-Saharan Africa do not have superior labor-market outcomes to those of native black Americans, but they do enter the United States with markedly superior resources than black Americans… The net conclusion provides support for a lateral mobility proposition--the reproduction of their relative status in their country of origin by immigrants in the United States--rather than upward mobility.”​

Lateral Mobility: The idea behind lateral mobility is basically a flexibility in choosing specialties, and the ability to move between specialties if desired. Source: Physician Assistant FAQ: What is "lateral mobility?"

Which can be explained by this:

The majority of immigrants who came to the United States after the passage of the 1965 Immigration Act are highly educated, possess higher levels of wealth than the average American, and are highly skilled professionals who are more likely to hold jobs that pay more.

Additionally, among nonwhite groups, Japanese ($592,000), Asian Indian ($460,000), Chinese ($408,200) and Filipino ($243,000) households had estimated median net worth values far in excess of blacks who recently moved to the Los Angeles area from Africa ($72,000), other Latinos ($42,500), Koreans ($23,400) and Vietnamese ($61,500).

Source: New study reveals nuanced story behind wealth disparity across racial and ethnic groups in L.A.​

And on Entreprenuership:

Immigrant and U.S. Born Have Differing Wealth Levels
In addition to the segments based on business focus, the difference between immigrant Black business owners and U.S.-born Black business owners is examined. In general, research tends to evaluate Black entrepreneurs as one large group when, in fact, experiences are likely to differ widely depending on place of origin. AEO commissioned a report that pursued a novel comparison of the experiences of U.S.-born Blacks and immigrant Blacks, shedding new light on the barriers faced by Black Americans in creating and running successful businesses. There are important differences between U.S.-born Black and immigrant Black business owners. Understanding these differences can help to ensure that support mechanisms are geared appropriately to businesses with varying needs.

There are two intriguing data points from this examination. First, Black immigrants have a significantly higher business ownership rate (5.1 percent) compared to U.S.-born Blacks at 2.5 percent, but both are behind the ownership rate of nonHispanic Whites (7 percent). Second, immigrant Blacks tend to locate, on average, in similarly lower-performing industrial sectors. The reasons for the substantially higher ownership rate for immigrant Blacks may be a result of their higher median wealth, which would facilitate start-up. The median wealth differential is a function of higher marriage rates (half of immigrant Blacks are married versus about a third of U.S.-born), which correlates with higher household income (+33 percent); and they have higher home values (on average, 56 percent higher), thus allowing for easier access to credit. In fact, our study found that the most important factor limiting business ownership among U.S.-born Blacks is lack of wealth.16

What this means is that starting a business is harder for U.S.-born Blacks, on the whole, and supports that address the capital needed to start and fund growth are more critical for them, on average, than for immigrant Black groups.

Source: https://aeoworks.org/images/uploads/fact_sheets/AEO_Black_Owned_Business_Report_02_16_17_FOR_WEB.pdf​

This is also a great report on the differences between Native and Immigrant Black in terms of wealth and more: http://home.uchicago.edu/~arauh/Rauh2013b.pdf

He covered what i stated in his interview with ToneTalks months back. ToneTalks brought it up and Sandy spoke to the truth. What you posted had nothing to do with my post. Ideally, you also need to look deeply into the numbers as well as where they are from, their ages, etc. Throwing out bullshyt is just simply throwing out bullshyt.

How does African immigrants have more startup capital than AADoS?

shyt like this is food for idiots. Stupid ass nikkas eat this shyt up. No fukking context whatsoever