Sooo...fans are about to hit Elzhi with a lawsuit for taking their money
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Well, Elzhi is a Nas clone soooo
You can't compare everything to the 90's tho. It ain't fair I tell ya
I hear ya, but it's possible to make music on the level of the 90s and maybe even superceed it.
I didn't think it was possible till Yams/Rocky/Clams Casino did it.
Rocky's rhymes are nowhere close to great 90s rap but in terms of the super important stuff like creative, hard beats and engaging flow, he's on par.
Cmon breh. Let's not play this smiley game. You know Elzhi was just another underground rapper with no real personality or vision. The Illmatic dikkriding made it obvious.
Great artists don't dikkride. They're too busy taking shyt to the next level
Fam what? Lol
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"fam what? lol" is not good enough.
Elzhi is
what about Elzhi blows you away? Nevermind, 'he dope' or smiley use. Speak on exactly what Elzhi does that is so mindblowing and unique when you compare him to other rappers.
Rocky's beats are okay i definitely wouldn't define them as hard, his flow is pedestrian, creativity in-of-itself is overrated as fukk. Being good >>>>> being innovative. I can create a flow where I make elephant noises between each bar, who gives a flying fukk, it doesn't make it good. And lyrically he's mediocre
Elzhi would rap circles around Rocky and makes way better music. The latter is subjective, the former isn't.
You're too hung up on uniqueness, he is a great lyricist when it comes to putting rhymes together. His flow is very lucid and smooth. And they're not just random words they actually tell a story or have a message (not meaning a positive message but he says things that actually make sense, not just rhyming for the sake of rhyming like Chino XL).
Elzhi isn't creating any new styles but he's perfected a style that's already been created. I'd rather improve on something that was already made, than start some new shyt that's wack as fukk, just to say "I'm the only person doing this".
I respect creativity and diversity when it's actually good. When it's not, you don't get points just for trying. This isn't the 3rd grade.
Elzhi is
bad examples because Phonte outshined him on both songs.
That's the point. I don't even think Phonte's that amazing when you compare him to a Nas but he's obviously a better and more interesting rapper than Elzhi. His voice is more flexible, emotive, he says more interesting and unique shyt than Elzhi and has the catalogue to prove it.
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Fukk your corny debates
fukk Elzhi. He could be the closest thing to Nas but he's lazy as Jamarcus Russell.
Cole Cash
They took a hammer and sickle to my back
i had a "succesfull" kickstarter raising 3500 and that shyt ended up only being about 50 percent of what i needed. extra costs came out the ass, my status says "street champ coming april" that was april of last year and i finally got the album signed to sony/redline for april 3rd of this year.
it fukking sucked. had one rapper jack me for my money, it was a giant headache, in one instance because my money was taken, one of my songs ended up cosing 850 for replacing the rapper with another (bigger at least) name. But 40k? thats no excuse at all, thats enough to take home everything you need. i still got the cds printed, got the album i promised with honeslty more features, but it ended up around 8k in the end.
40k is nuts. i am a year late but geez lol. thats alot of money to shark people.
it fukking sucked. had one rapper jack me for my money, it was a giant headache, in one instance because my money was taken, one of my songs ended up cosing 850 for replacing the rapper with another (bigger at least) name. But 40k? thats no excuse at all, thats enough to take home everything you need. i still got the cds printed, got the album i promised with honeslty more features, but it ended up around 8k in the end.
40k is nuts. i am a year late but geez lol. thats alot of money to shark people.
Rocky has the hardest beats out. fukk outta here. "Pretty Flacko", "Bass" and "Brand New Guy" aren't hard? Cmon
There's nothing remotely pedestrian about Rocky's flow.
If you think creativity in itself is overrated, then you're not someone who's capable of knowing what's pedestrian or not.
That statement doesnt even make sense because innovative people are very good. That's why you know them as innovative. They take 'good' to another, unique level.
Terrible example, and Rocky doesn't do that. And if you think Rocky does that, you're not paying attention. Why don't you try that criticism again but use an actual example of something Rocky actually does?
Creative people at their best communicate a lot of meaning/emotion/passion while doing something unique.
I agree with that. Never said he wasn't.
In terms of speed, yes. Which is where underground nerds fall for the trick every time. They think if someone's rapping fast then he's automatically a real emcee
Falling for the Fu-Shnickens trick every time.But in every other category... putting your emotion/personality into your delivery, picking interesting beats and having a vision for them, Rocky slaughters Elzhi. It's not even close.
No. Nas is a great lyricist. Jeru the Damaja is a lower-tier but great lyricist. Elzhi is nowhere to either of these nikkas.
True. But he's also monotone and lacks personality/emotion. Personality/emotion are THE most important aspects of delivery. Only squares can tolerate nikkas with no personality. Regular folk and especially artists/passionate people can't tolerate that shyt.
Which is why Rocky's where he is, and Elzhi is way below him in popularity. Despite the fact that both make underground rap (Rocky's a little more mainstream but not as much as you think).
He's not perfecting shyt. Nas, Kool G Rap, Kane, etc already perfected that stuff.
He's just a wannabe. That's 3rd grade shyt. I don't give out prizes for wannabes. If you're gonna rap, bring something new to the table or get the fukk outta my face.
You're the one giving dudes props for just showing up in the 'real hip hop' category.
