Sorry Jay, I'm Not Buying It

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Who has more fans?

What you are proposing is dumb

And hexagram is a fukking hater. Just wait
cool, so instead of people sympathizing with the up and coming artists trying to change the music industry for the better w/ the assistance of artists who have already gone through the supposedly horrible experiences, they lash out at Tidal with nothing but negative publicity

so much better
these 'fans' are flocking to tidal now right
 

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I ain't no cac sucka!!!

Fukc you with yo slave mentality.... respect the black businessman not giving back cuz he black!!!
that just makes him a nobody not a somebody!!!
the blackman with nothing but still shares is the one who deserves your respect sucka!
Expand yo mind sucka!!

LOL at every black business is a win for black ppl, that sh1t ain't true for no skin color!!!
u need to grow up with yo nonsense!!!!!!
LETS Tag baphomet as another supposed black person that doesnt understand the race game.

Do you think all koreans business owners give money back to koreans that are not in their family/friend circle? HELL NO. but yet we see them doing well with their "GROUP" economics. The only way you can have that is by having a large GROUP of business owners and consumers of the same race supporting one another. or at the very minimum dont hate on one another.

You are not obligated to give money to charity, in order for your business to be considered a black business or a korean business or a jewish business, etc. learn how to play chess. and to your knowledge are you trying to tell me jay z has never giving anything to the black community? How the hell would you know this?

so since you checkin this man's pockets. lets go ahead and really check. black man HATER.

https://www.looktothestars.org/celebrity/jay-z

Whoops ^^^ i think that should cover even your flawed criteria for being a BLACK business owner therefore it being a WIN for black people.

Jay-Z sent more than $2,500 worth of designer street wear to the Spring Hill Campaign for Adolescent and University Student Empowerment (CAUSE) in appreciation of their community efforts.

His November 2006 concert in New York city raised over $250,000 for PlayPumps International.

On August 9, 2006, he met with UN Secretary General Kofi Annan at the organization’s headquarters in New York. The rapper pledged to use his upcoming world tour to raise awareness of–and combat–global water shortage.

Also in 2006, he visited Africa and produced a documentary entitled Diary of Jay-Z: Water for Life.

He pledged $1 million to the American Red Cross' relief effort after Hurricane Katrina.


https://www.looktothestars.org/charity/playpumps

A nonprofit collaborative that enabled individuals, governments, foundations, and companies to donate PlayPump water systems to rural African communities and schools.

Donors to PlayPumps International helped improve the lives of children and their families by providing easy access to clean drinking water, enhancing public health, and offering play equipment to millions across Africa.

In March 2010, PlayPumps International closed its doors and gifted its inventory to Water For People to be utilized when appropriate.



http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/12/16/the-25-most-charitable-celebrities-of-2013.html
Though Jay Z was roundly criticized for declaring “my presence is charity” this summer, it turns out, the hip-hop mogul isn’t too far off the mark. Celebrity endorsements benefit charities in a number of ways, mainly by bringing credibility and likability to a nonprofit’s brand. And that, research shows, adds major value. In an upcoming study from Rutgers School of Business, Professors Erica Harris and Julie Ruth found that donors gave 1.4 percent more to charities associated with celebrities—to the tune of $100,000 each year.


Even this move that most didnt like, ended up being some doe for charity.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/06/jay-z-barneys-collection-charity_n_4549707.html

Amid controversy comes some very good news.

Jay Z's holiday partnership with clothing retailer Barney's came under fire in late 2013 after the store was accused of racial profiling and detaining black shoppers who had purchased goods at the luxury department store. Jay Z was criticized for his decision not to sever ties with the retailer after a Change.org petition was made and signed by more than 58,000 people.

After the controversy arose, he made a statement on his blog and addressed the reasoning behind his decision to continue the collaboration. He wrote: "I am against discrimination of any kind, but if I make snap judgments, no matter who it’s towards, aren’t I committing the same sin as someone who profiles?"

Now his partnership is paying off. Though the final profits of sales from his A New York Holiday collection were still being tallied on Friday (January 2nd), the New York Daily News reports that the line has raised over $1,000,000 during its six-week run.

Jay Z had initially planned to donate 25 percent of the line's profits to his charity, theShawn Carter Foundation, which provides scholarships for underprivileged individuals seeking higher education. He later changed the deal to give 100 percent of profits to the charity; Barney's also donated 10 percent of all store-wide profits to the Shawn Carter Foundation (which awards scholarships to students with limited mean) on the day of the line's launch.


Oh we aint done yet. and dont skim and reply to me about this or that.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/...Jay-Z-isn-t-ultra-conscious-charitable-He-is#

"The greatest form of giving is anonymous to anonymous."
-Jay Z lyric from "Nickels and Dimes"
I am generally skeptical of people who feel the urge to publicly call out what they perceive to be the lack of generosity of particular celebrities. In essence, sitting at their computers, people imagine it something like this: If I had the amount of money that Jay Z has in his bank account and even half of his influence, I'd be doing A, B, and C.

The thing is, it's just not that simple. You can't superimpose someone else's net worth on top of where you are today and then think of how much better you'd be if you had their cash and clout because if you had their cash and clout, you'd also have their challenges and concerns.

I have one tenth of 1 percent of the cultural influence of Jay Z and even less of his money, but those around me have already come to understand that when I do something as simple as retweet something they are doing, haters and racists and trolls come running out of their holes in droves to critique it. Having experienced this reality on a much harsher level for years, Jay Z, already known for being a fiercely private and even shy dude, opted for being an anonymous Robin Hood many moons ago.

Below the fold are some things that I am absolutely sure of about Jay's charitable endeavors that you probably didn't know.
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Jay Z is meeting Today with New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo to urge him to appoint a special prosecutor in the choking death of Eric Garner.

Jay has paid and is still paying for the tuition of the children of NYPD shooting victim Sean Bell.

Quietly, Jay has given financially to people working on the ground in Ferguson.

Quietly, Jay has supported justice for those discriminated against in the trans community.

Jay has paid to send HUNDREDS of high school students, who, by the way, are very often on the margins of society and actually have to have a GPA of 2.7 or below, through college.


I was literally steps away from Jay Z and Beyonce at a rally for Trayvon in New York City. When they stepped on the scene, and the entire time they were there, they were all anyone cared about. The man on the mic at the time could've screamed "I have Ebola" and started spitting in every direction and people would've ignored him.

Instances like this, and dozens and dozens of others like it, seem to have caused Jay Z to feel that it's in everybody's best interest if he goes behind-the-scenes-incognito on his giving and his advocacy. It's easy for people without influence to think this is a blown opportunity and how if they were him, they'd do yadda, yadda, yadda, but Jay's attempted advocacy at the Brooklyn Nets game versus the Cleveland Cavaliers only further proves that when you are as influential as Jay Z, somebody is either going to find wrong in everything he does or find a way to make a story about justice no longer about justice but about Jay Z.

Long story short is this: NBA players have been showing their support for the family of Eric Garner by wearing T-shirts during warm-ups which state Garner's last words, "I Can't Breathe."

Nationally televised, and attended by both British royalty and American royalty (Jay Z and Beyonce), activists decided to get jerseys to the players to wear. A former investor in the Brooklyn Nets, activists made the shirts, and through several channels got them to Jay Z, who helped get the T-shirts to the players.

Proud, Jay Z took this photo with some of the players.

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attribution: Twitter Image
Jay Z took the image with the players precisely to show his support of them and the message they were conveying. He was personally and directly connected to the activists who made it happen. The action that the activists planned was not about Jay Z, but about NBA players wearing the T-shirts before the game and it was a huge success. The media coverage of all of them wearing the T-shirts, on a night in which the story of the game and the British royal attendance alone could've dominated headlines, exceeded expectations.
Yet, now media pundits and cultural critics alike are using the fact that Jay Z didn't wear a T-shirt in the photo as commentary for how he could've gone harder for the cause and opted not to. Fundamentally, this is just misinformation. Jay Z helped make the designed action happen and successfully highlighted it without making himself the center of attention and ultimately detracting from the players who were making a bold step themselves. While it would've been cool to see Jay Z wear a statement shirt, that's what artists do. The NBA players were violating league rules by doing so and Jay Z, as he does well, knew where and how to stay in his lane on that evening.

Ultimately, the critique of Jay Z in this instance and in most instances where people complain that he doesn't do enough comes down to three main thoughts:

1. How people mistakenly think they'd know how they'd act if they were rich and famous.

2. The incorrect assumption that because you don't see Jay Z parading around giving life-size checks in photo ops that he must not be giving real money that deposits into real accounts.

3. The reality that Jay Z doesn't tweet or live his life on social media, but is a private artist and an even more private citizen who lobbies and gives and connects and networks and influences people and causes completely offline fuels people who think if it ain't on Twitter or Instagram it ain't real.

Ultimately, and this much I know, Jay Z doesn't care that you think he's not this or that. He damn sure doesn't care that you think he's not charitable because he isn't charitable to make you think he is, but because the dude wants to make a difference.

More of us should be this way.



Dont tell me its too much to read. if it aint too much for you to hate on. it sure as hell aint to much for you to read. YOU TOLD US JAY Z DONT DO ISH FOR BLACK PEOPLE. WELL ....YOU LIED.
 

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LETS Tag baphomet as another supposed black person that doesnt understand the race game.

Do you think all koreans business owners give money back to koreans that are not in their family/friend circle? HELL NO. but yet we see them doing well with their "GROUP" economics. The only way you can have that is by having a large GROUP of business owners and consumers of the same race supporting one another. or at the very minimum dont hate on one another.

You are not obligated to give money to charity, in order for your business to be considered a black business or a korean business or a jewish business, etc. learn how to play chess. and to your knowledge are you trying to tell me jay z has never giving anything to the black community? How the hell would you know this?

so since you checkin this man's pockets. lets go ahead and really check. black man HATER.

https://www.looktothestars.org/celebrity/jay-z

Whoops ^^^ i think that should cover even your flawed criteria for being a BLACK business owner therefore it being a WIN for black people.




https://www.looktothestars.org/charity/playpumps









Even this move that most didnt like, ended up being some doe for charity.




Oh we aint done yet. and dont skim and reply to me about this or that.





Dont tell me its too much to read. if it aint too much for you to hate on. it sure as hell aint to much for you to read. YOU TOLD US JAY Z DONT DO ISH FOR BLACK PEOPLE. WELL ....YOU LIED.
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What do you think is the appropriate Black people response to Jay Z's charity? Do we have to actually subscribe to Tidal or just refrain from criticizing Tidal? Should we build him a statue?


you can do all those things, including not getting tidal, and you can criticise tidal. the beef to me is the character assaisnations. he's greedy. ( for being a business man) he dont care about black people killed by police. ( how would anyone know) he only care about ploice shooting when he wanna sell tidal. ( again, lets not assume the worst about everything we do. why believe the worst about ourselves? can a black businessman really not care about black people? can he only ever have ulterior motives? thats a hell of a image to sell about a black person and the mass media selling that shyt without any proof)

that goes beyond mere criticism which is actually a vital public service, to something more sinister.
 

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LETS Tag baphomet as another supposed black person that doesnt understand the race game.

Do you think all koreans business owners give money back to koreans that are not in their family/friend circle? HELL NO. but yet we see them doing well with their "GROUP" economics. The only way you can have that is by having a large GROUP of business owners and consumers of the same race supporting one another. or at the very minimum dont hate on one another.

You are not obligated to give money to charity, in order for your business to be considered a black business or a korean business or a jewish business, etc. learn how to play chess. and to your knowledge are you trying to tell me jay z has never giving anything to the black community? How the hell would you know this?

so since you checkin this man's pockets. lets go ahead and really check. black man HATER.

https://www.looktothestars.org/celebrity/jay-z

Whoops ^^^ i think that should cover even your flawed criteria for being a BLACK business owner therefore it being a WIN for black people.




https://www.looktothestars.org/charity/playpumps









Even this move that most didnt like, ended up being some doe for charity.




Oh we aint done yet. and dont skim and reply to me about this or that.





Dont tell me its too much to read. if it aint too much for you to hate on. it sure as hell aint to much for you to read. YOU TOLD US JAY Z DONT DO ISH FOR BLACK PEOPLE. WELL ....YOU LIED.

dap + rep


Dude will surely continue spouting the same bullshyt though.
 

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You gotta always be able to come back home...(this comin' from a guy who has felt personally disrespected by this fella)...he got lost in the sauce a bit, made some goofy decisions:scusthov:, but I think the cold shoulder the community has shown has humbled dude a bit. I hate the tidal concept and won't buy...but I don't think anything is wrong with him shouting out our fallen comrades during his shows...could you imagine if he didn't :whoa:....but his sellout antics will always tarnish his rep I fear :mjcry:
 

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Exactly.

Bad business decisions were made by him and his business team. There are conflicting messages all over the place here. His mission seemed to be about providing a better outlet of music for artists and promoted this to consumers - when this is a consumer product, this is of little relevancy.

He then at the same time tried to promote a higher quality product (lossless format) going in direct competition with Spotify etc at a higher price-point. He misread his audience; people are still new to paying for music and would not want to fork out any more for what many feel is already a quality service they are being provided by Spotify.

He could have done the following:
- Undercut or match Spotify with a superior service (lossless) at $10 or less
- Provide better perks for users, i.e. Tidal roster provide a calendar of exclusive material every week (e.g. beyonce week, daft punk week etc).

Instead he has rushed this and he resulted to hip hop disses to billion dollar companies which on the whole changed music for the better. This isn't hip hop. He's going against highly intellectual businessmen, Stanford grads and tech entrepeuners; seems like he's hired very poorly too...
He just needs to fix the price point...if he does that he wins...(and I'm not a big fan either:yeshrug:).
 

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I don't give a fukk about Beyonce or madonna but I do about indie artists who struggle to keep bringing us music. Do you know any artists? Ask them about their opinion on record sales and downloading. Nikkas pay for netflix without question but when it comes to music it's like :whoa:
People pay for Netflix because there price point correlates correctly with their service...Jay Z...and apparently these artists have over priced the service they deliver. When j and b charged insane prices for their tour cacs and suckas paid because people will pay premium for special one time events(half the crowd aren't really fans they just show up cuz it the event buzzin in town at the time)it's complete diff. story when trying to overcharge for a music streaming service...like its a utility bill:stopitslime:. They got gassed off the numbers the tour did...plus the artists they got on board with...not realizing that most of the American populous is sick n tired of each other, including they privileged azzez. Nikkas out chea struggling and u talking bout artists pennies on the dollar...people don't give a fukk:camby:
 

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I fukks with Jay, but I'm not stupid. He's trying to co-opt the press on Tidal and turn it into a Big Man vs. Little man, underdog, black vs. white type of rap feud. He's trying to politic the narrative and make it about the evil white corporation vs. the poor black hustler from Marcy trying to fight the system.

No Jay. You got caught being greedy and out of touch. You don't get to "come home" and make it a hip-hop thing. You don't get to trot Sigel out on stage under the guise of being that relatable dude that's about us.

This ain't about slavery, this ain't about Mike Brown, you don't get to make a martyr of yourself by mentioning those things when it's convenient. The nerve of using those terms while promoting a service that's all about charging more of my hard earned money to provide an inferior product and line your pockets.

You compete with Spotify by providing a better service or a cheaper service, like anything else in the market.

everybody on my fb fell for that shyt.
 

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He just needs to fix the price point...if he does that he wins...(and I'm not a big fan either:yeshrug:).
of course it would be nice if it was a lot cheaper. but understand where that price is coming from.

lets take it back a bit. To the days of purchasing music(everyone isnt bootlegging music via the downloading even right now. some people STILL buy music).

So lets say i'm a music lover. and i'm also a music BUYER. i usually by say 2 albums per month.

2 albums = Let me get that new Drake $10 to $13 ( depending on who you get it from) & Let me get that kendrick another $10 to $13)

thats $20.00 before taxes on the low end. for just two albums.

You pay Tidal $20.00 per month and you get more then just two albums. and not only that, you can get those albums in an extremely high fidelity audio.

Now what yall are saying is, WE STILL DONT CARE ABOUT quality sound. WE will be willing to pay $6.00 a month for a small mp3 file. that sounds ok but no where near as good as the tidal file type.

This is the equivalent of back in the day when we use to tape stuff off of the radio before it came out. it didnt sound good at all. sure it was bearable if you really liked the artist. but it was no where NEAR CD quality or even an actual Professional Audio Tape. So yall are requesting that radio recorded tape deck version for cheap. and they are trying to sell you high end audio. In addition they are trying to make sure artists get paid their proper due. That costs money too. basically spotify and the likes can let you pay a small amt for their service because they are also jacking artists for their money. so they dont care if its a fair amt for the artists. they take such a huge chunk of that add revenue. THey can give you and I a huge discount. on top of the fact its a lesser quality file.
 

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It's a proven fact that blacks are the biggest consumers. So this mantra of "white people made X__ rich" that's constantly berated on the Internet needs to stop.

No we are not 34 million don't at out 200+ million
 

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you can do all those things, including not getting tidal, and you can criticise tidal. the beef to me is the character assaisnations. he's greedy. ( for being a business man) he dont care about black people killed by police. ( how would anyone know) he only care about ploice shooting when he wanna sell tidal. ( again, lets not assume the worst about everything we do. why believe the worst about ourselves? can a black businessman really not care about black people? can he only ever have ulterior motives? thats a hell of a image to sell about a black person and the mass media selling that shyt without any proof)

that goes beyond mere criticism which is actually a vital public service, to something more sinister.

Exactly.

These clowns keep making it about how they don't like or want to buy tidal when that's not even the problem. It's about how jump directly to "c00n" this and that and try and claim he either ain't doing shyt for black folk or that he's doing it only to bolster his brand.

it's lose/lose with yall when it comes to him.

True dat breh...

None of these n1ggas have a passion to support and promote Dame Dash becoming the next Black oil tyc00n

:sas1:

These self hating negroes still giving their money to Valvoline


Selective vision indeed

:sas2:

It ain't about buying the oil or the steaming service.

It's about cats making it their duty to find something negative to say about anything he does.

He doesn't speak he's a c00n.
He speaks he's a c00n trying to make a profit
He bails protesters out he's doing it to sell tidal
 
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