Spain and Portugal are the most genetically African part of Europe

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I thought ancient Egypt was "multicultural" anyway.. :mjlol:


Can't want for a certain segment of coli posters to chime in on this..
A large non-Egyptian population has always lived in Egypt. It was a powerful empire for thousands of years you expect foreigners to not visit? :yeshrug:
 

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Hey why do they always go out of their way to specify North Africa?

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I don't think that is necessarily historically accurate. @Diasporan Royalty my be able to clarify the Moors role in West Africa, but from what I recall studying the Spanish and Portuguese wanted to get greater information on West Africa, but the Moors would not give it to them because the Moors maintained the trans-Saharan trade routes with the West Africans and the Moors wanted to remain the intermediaries or middlemen of the trade between the Europeans and the West Africans. At that time most of the major West African Kingdoms were inland, rather than near the ocean so the Moors and West African caravans were only way that goods and services traveled between Europe and West Africa.

At some point the Spanish and Portuguese devised a way around the Moors by sailing directly to West Africa (I think modern day Senegal) in order to deal directly with the West Africans. I am not sure about this part though, but I think it was the Sephardic Jews (Spanish Jews) that had settled in Senegal after being kicked out of Spain after the reconquista, that may have played a role in Spain and Portugal establishing trade networks in Senegal. The Spanish and Portuguese where then able to extend those networks further into West Africa, which led to the Mane Invasion that caused the Mandingos to leave Mali and invade the coastal lands to their West and South in order to develop a trade network with the Spanish and Portuguese who were on the coast. The Mandingos were attempting to replace the trade that they had lost with the Moors after the trans-Saharan trade routes had began to dry up.

Oddly enough the Portuguese and Spanish made direct contact at near the same time that Columbus stumbled his lost ass into the Americas, which of course was the tie to slavery and to later colonization. I didn't even realize until the last year or so how many Jews had settled in Senegal after being expelled from Spain until I learned of this book.

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On a completely separate note the Jews intermarried with local people, which might explain why some Africans in Africa and in the diaspora have this strange mix of Spanish paternal DNA. There are lots of African Americans in African Ancestry DNA reveal videos that have Spanish paternal lines, even though it is not clear if their ancestors were ever enslaved by the Spanish. African Ancestry does not go past the initial stage to determine if the DNA is Jewish. My paternal line is African, but for some reason I have Sephardic Jewish DNA, even though my mother doesn't have it. Oddly enough I have the same amount of Senegal DNA, but my mother does not have any Senegal DNA either so it is clearly from my father's line.

From what I understand “Moors” attempted to invade Sahelian kingdoms numerous times.

Also Moors provided Europeans with the maps utilized to get to the new world from what I understand also.

As for the Mane invasion, i dont believe those were Mandingos from what I have read. They were a Southern Mande group.
 

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I don't think that is necessarily historically accurate. @Diasporan Royalty my be able to clarify the Moors role in West Africa, but from what I recall studying the Spanish and Portuguese wanted to get greater information on West Africa, but the Moors would not give it to them because the Moors maintained the trans-Saharan trade routes with the West Africans and the Moors wanted to remain the intermediaries or middlemen of the trade between the Europeans and the West Africans. At that time most of the major West African Kingdoms were inland, rather than near the ocean so the Moors and West African caravans were only way that goods and services traveled between Europe and West Africa.

At some point the Spanish and Portuguese devised a way around the Moors by sailing directly to West Africa (I think modern day Senegal) in order to deal directly with the West Africans. I am not sure about this part though, but I think it was the Sephardic Jews (Spanish Jews) that had settled in Senegal after being kicked out of Spain after the reconquista, that may have played a role in Spain and Portugal establishing trade networks in Senegal. The Spanish and Portuguese where then able to extend those networks further into West Africa, which led to the Mane Invasion that caused the Mandingos to leave Mali and invade the coastal lands to their West and South in order to develop a trade network with the Spanish and Portuguese who were on the coast. The Mandingos were attempting to replace the trade that they had lost with the Moors after the trans-Saharan trade routes had began to dry up.

Oddly enough the Portuguese and Spanish made direct contact at near the same time that Columbus stumbled his lost ass into the Americas, which of course was the tie to slavery and to later colonization. I didn't even realize until the last year or so how many Jews had settled in Senegal after being expelled from Spain until I learned of this book.

th


On a completely separate note the Jews intermarried with local people, which might explain why some Africans in Africa and in the diaspora have this strange mix of Spanish paternal DNA. There are lots of African Americans in African Ancestry DNA reveal videos that have Spanish paternal lines, even though it is not clear if their ancestors were ever enslaved by the Spanish. African Ancestry does not go past the initial stage to determine if the DNA is Jewish. My paternal line is African, but for some reason I have Sephardic Jewish DNA, even though my mother doesn't have it. Oddly enough I have the same amount of Senegal DNA, but my mother does not have any Senegal DNA either so it is clearly from my father's line.

Word. I'm Haitian American. My brother did one of them DNA tests and it came back Spanish on the paternal side.
 

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From what I understand “Moors” attempted to invade Sahelian kingdoms numerous times.

Also Moors provided Europeans with the maps utilized to get to the new world from what I understand also.

As for the Mane invasion, i dont believe those were Mandingos from what I have read. They were a Southern Mande group.

The Moors did not attempt to invade they actually did invade the Empires of Ghana and Songhay. I am not sure it was all that unusual, because they were connected by trade and religion with those Empires. If I recall correctly the Empire of Ghana provided troops to the Moors to hold some parts of Spain.

Secondly, all indications are that the Manes were Mandingos from Mali. According to Walter Rodney, starting on page 224 of his reconsideration of the Mane Invasion; in an account passed down by the Mane to a Portuguese trader named Dorenlas the Mane were from Mali. According to the account given to the Portuguese the Mane had to leave Mali after a wealthy lady in Mandimansa named Macarico, offended the Emperor of Mali. Macarico then gathered all of her family, friends and bunch of other folks and they became an invading Army. They first went to modern day Ghana to find the Portuguese fortress of Mina, which is where they launched their attacks into Ivory Coast, Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone.

Other Portuguese writers from that era (De Almada and Manuel Alvarez) support the position that the Mane were from Mali and they were informed that the original leader of the Mane had been a woman who Alvarez called "Mabate" or "Queen of Guinea." Everyone seems to agree that she died in modern day Sierra Leone. Fwiw, there were other Portuguese sources along the Coast that confirm the invasion, which Portuguese writers documented at that time.

A Reconsideration of the Mane Invasions of Sierra Leone

So they Mande attack may have started from the South like you state, but the attackers themselves were Northerners from Mali. They were Mandingos.
 

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The Moors did not attempt to invade they actually did invade the Empires of Ghana and Songhay. I am not sure it was all that unusual, because they were connected by trade and religion with those Empires. If I recall correctly the Empire of Ghana provided troops to the Moors to hold some parts of Spain.

Secondly, all indications are that the Manes were Mandingos from Mali. According to Walter Rodney, starting on page 224 of his reconsideration of the Mane Invasion; in an account passed down by the Mane to a Portuguese trader named Dorenlas the Mane were from Mali. According to the account given to the Portuguese the Mane had to leave Mali after a wealthy lady in Mandimansa named Macarico, offended the Emperor of Mali. Macarico then gathered all of her family, friends and bunch of other folks and they became an invading Army. They first went to modern day Ghana to find the Portuguese fortress of Mina, which is where they launched their attacks into Ivory Coast, Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone.

Other Portuguese writers from that era (De Almada and Manuel Alvarez) support the position that the Mane were from Mali and they were informed that the original leader of the Mane had been a woman who Alvarez called "Mabate" or "Queen of Guinea." Everyone seems to agree that she died in modern day Sierra Leone. Fwiw, there were other Portuguese sources along the Coast that confirm the invasion, which Portuguese writers documented at that time.

A Reconsideration of the Mane Invasions of Sierra Leone

So they Mande attack may have started from the South like you state, but the attackers themselves were Northerners from Mali. They were Mandingos.

One again Mande from an Ethnic standpoint is not mandingo
 

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One again Mande from an Ethnic standpoint is not mandingo

The attackers themselves were Mandingo. That is what Rodney and other writers stated. The Mandingo/Mende people in Sierra Leone are the descendants of those people.
 

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From what I understand Moors were classified separately from “Negros” and attempted to invade West African kingdoms, and assisted Europeans with the logistics of the Slave Trades. Not sure why people love caping for Moors.

Isn't the script under your name Arabic? :patrice:
 
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From what I understand Moors were classified separately from “Negros” and attempted to invade West African kingdoms, and assisted Europeans with the logistics of the Slave Trades. Not sure why people love caping for Moors.

You can't confuse notions of race we have today with the past. Back then people thought as nations and tribes. Race didn't exist. The Ancient Greeks and Romans used to enslave and fight the blonde hair blue eyed Germanic tribes to the North all the time.

Also the Moors enslaved millions of Europeans as well. Its how North Africa transformed from being black like the rest of Africa to mostly mulatto today. So its not like the Moors only targeted other black folks. They were targeting EVERYONE back in the day.
 

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Which parts of Libson do mostly brehs live in?

Linha De Sintra is where majority of black people in Lisbon live.

Its a long train line/strip with a bunch of stops/stations. Each station is like a mini borough. "Amadora", "Cacem" and "Rio De Mouro" are like black people hubs in Portugal, but to be honest, majority of the whole "linha de Sintra" strip is heavily black populated and riddled with poor neighborhoods.

I had an angolan/portuguese shorty and we vacayed there from time to time.
 
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II dont know whos who in this know they differentiated peoples pretty well.

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IN this one they differentiate Moors from Negroes, and say the Moors would buy the Negroes from the Berber slave traders. They even differentiate Negroland.
Thats not to say that Negroes did not serve in the army of the Moors though.

Shyt is so confusing from back then

Look at this fukkin crakkka.

You know we have pictures of Moors from back in the day? Mostly done by Europeans. There was no confusion about what they were. They were depicted as black.

Stop thinking "negro" meant black. It was only meant to designate one type of African. Ethiopians weren't called "negro" by the Europeans. They were called Hamites. Another name for blacks. Unless you're one to believe Ethiopians aren't black, then the whole "negro" label in meaningless.

We've had many threads on the Moors on this site. Tons of pictures and quotes have been posted. To question whether they were black just shows me you a cac. PERIOD.
 
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Hey why do they always go out of their way to specify North Africa?

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To make white people feel a lil better about themselves.

They whitewashed the true history of North Africa to make it seem less black than the rest of Africa. So when they say they have North African ancestry its a way of saying "don't worry we don't mean nikkas" when in reality it does.
 
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