Spin: Introduction to Socialism

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

There stagnation in growth in recent years has been due to the refugee crisis that America engineered through facilitating the Arab Spring and the Iraq War invasion.

No its not. If Norway wasn't blessed with oil deposits, they'd be another portugal

Sweden? They had to lower taxes and they STILL can't get enough domestic growth.

Finland? Another basket case.

Some of ya'll take this shyt too far.

Even in Denmark, people say the amount they pay in taxes just isn't worth the marginal benefits they get.

Not every country is Germany

 

[BaggerofTea]

This is really, seemingly intentionally vague. I agree that a higher ownership stake for employees is mutually beneficial but who should get to decide what exactly is or isn't fair? From what I have seen socialists want to completely block the owners from the negotiating table.

I view the owners voice having to be equal to everyone else's. Strip them of the bourgeoisie label and influence and place them in a category of worker. Which is all they are at the end of they day. They deserve nothing more and nothing less

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

I view the owners voice having to be equal to everyone else's. Strip them of the bourgeoisie label and influence and place them in a category of worker. Which is all they are at the end of they day. They deserve nothing more and nothing less

I'm convinced none of you actually work.

I'm all for higher wages, but when we start talking about management structure and accountability, its glaringly obvious none of you have ever been apart of any of these companies or know what it takes to run/start/manage one.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Without the lifting the boxes the fulfillment of visions and facilitating of information exchange are just words on a piece of paper

Value and Utility > visual representations of sweat

 

[BaggerofTea]

No its not. If Norway wasn't blessed with oil deposits, they'd be another portugal

Sweden? They had to lower taxes and they STILL can't get enough domestic growth.

Finland? Another basket case.

Some of ya'll take this shyt too far.

Even in Denmark, people say the amount they pay in taxes just isn't worth the marginal benefits they get.

Not every country is Germany

Lack of industrial capability will hurt a country whether they are capitalist or more socialist base

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

This is really, seemingly intentionally vague. I agree that a higher ownership stake for employees is mutually beneficial but who should get to decide what exactly is or isn't fair? From what I have seen socialists want to completely block the owners from the negotiating table.

Nah bro. If you graduate law school, you should immediately be a partner

 

[BaggerofTea]

I'm convinced none of you actually work.

I'm all for higher wages, but when we start talking about management structure and accountability, its glaringly obvious none of you have ever been apart of any of these companies or know what it takes to run/start/manage one.

Do you understand the concept of exploitation?

 

[BaggerofTea]

Value and Utility > visual representations of sweat

Value and Utility are obscure definitions.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Lack of industrial capability will hurt a country whether they are capitalist or more socialist base

More excuses.

Economics is about managing not just emotions, but motivations.

Socialism caters to the weaker of emotions and ignores the difficulty of motivation.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Do you understand the concept of exploitation?

Proving your value to others, isn't exploitation.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

I view the owners voice having to be equal to everyone else's. Strip them of the bourgeoisie label and influence and place them in a category of worker. Which is all they are at the end of they day. They deserve nothing more and nothing less

So if I take money I've earned, buy a building and all the equipment in it, pay all the utilities and taxes on it, I should have no more say in how the company is operated than someone who has no money in it and will not lose anything besides a paycheck if the business goes under?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Value and Utility are obscure definitions.

So are things like "exploitation" and "management"

I can play that game too

 

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[BaggerofTea]

So are things like "exploitation" and "management"

I can play that game too

Exploitation is very simple. The worker is treated as a means to an ends in a asymmetric power structure

 

[BaggerofTea]

More excuses.

Economics is about managing not just emotions, but motivations.

Socialism caters to the weaker of emotions and ignores the difficulty of motivation.

None of those countries have a strong raw material base, thats the bases for industrial output which leads to innovation to make the process more efficient.