SPIN: Let's Establish A List Of Albums With Classic Impact That Didnt Have Classic Quality

[BO BARON]

so youre saying those albums are right up there with albums like the chronic, amerikkkas most wanted, ,mr scarface is back, livin' like hustlers, live & let die, music to driveby??

Yes they are

AMW is not really a pure gangsta rap album IMO

THE CHRONIC is a masterpiece in it self

The rest are just really good gangsta rap album's


TM101 is a trap masterpiece that totally changed the game, the structure of the album the beat selection. Jeezy flow the cocaine punchlines. Plus that album captivated & motivated the streets more than any of those albums you mentioned.

The documentary is basically the essence of compton, what that album did for compton & compton alone could never be equaled period. The hit records it spawned.

GRODT gets dismissed as a classic because of the huge hype. That shyt is super cliche & we heard every song everyday for aleast 3 yrs. Just imagine if he put that album out with no hype or expectations at all. Plus that album is the first & only pure gangsta rap album to go diamond.

And trap muzik is just super dope

Plus you gotta look at the individuals ice cube, face, dr dre, kool g are like hip hop royalty, pioneer's, the best of the best with that gangsta shyt no one will ever have the same acclaim admiration or veneration as those guys & that includes their best albums.



But i could argue sonically emotionally & just catapulting the culture, the streets & the music business period those albums are on par with the albums you mentioned or even better with the exception of the chronic & AMW

 

[Wacky D]

I'm more drawn to the production on C2 and he was putting out some of his best performances ex Tha Mobb. Also his voice was in peak form and was never the same after C2.

You could say Go DJ was tacky too both albums if we're being honest have filler one too many tracks.

his voice was always irritating to me, since the '90s.
he had his moments on C2 and he kept the flow going from C1 but there was a clear dropoff of bar quality from C1 in the vast majority of those C2 tracks.

the "go dj" hook comes from an old N.O. bounce song. its not tacky.

but I agree, C1 has a lot of filler too. I don't consider it a classic either, but I its his best album.

 

[Wacky D]

Vol. 2 ...Hard Knock Life ...can't believe I'm the first to mention it...this is the album that MADE Jay-Z, was the dawn of the rocafella era, and pushed hov to tier 1 status...quality wise, it's somewhere in the bottom-middle of his catalog..but again, the impact literally altered hip hop history

I was gonna ask how people felt about this, along with the blueprint & the black album.

I think volume 2 is CLASSIC and his 2nd best album, behind reasonable doubt.

some people give it a bad rep cuz its full of singles but those singles are far from chump chit and they aged greatly. I never liked "can I get a" tho, outside of jarule's verse.

 

[Wacky D]

Yes they are

AMW is not really a pure gangsta rap album IMO

THE CHRONIC is a masterpiece in it self

The rest are just really good gangsta rap album's


TM101 is a trap masterpiece that totally changed the game, the structure of the album the beat selection. Jeezy flow the cocaine punchlines. Plus that album captivated & motivated the streets more than any of those albums you mentioned.

The documentary is basically the essence of compton, what that album did for compton & compton alone could never be equaled period. The hit records it spawned.

GRODT gets dismissed as a classic because of the huge hype. That shyt is super cliche & we heard every song everyday for aleast 3 yrs. Just imagine if he put that album out with no hype or expectations at all. Plus that album is the first & only pure gangsta rap album to go diamond.

And trap muzik is just super dope

Plus you gotta look at the individuals ice cube, face, dr dre, kool g are like hip hop royalty, pioneer's, the best of the best with that gangsta shyt no one will ever have the same acclaim admiration or veneration as those guys & that includes their best albums.



But i could argue sonically emotionally & just catapulting the culture, the streets & the music business period those albums are on par with the albums you mentioned or even better with the exception of the chronic & AMW

most "gangsta rap" had substance back then. AMW does indeed file under that category.

the rest of those are just really good gangsta rap albums? REALLY?

and your description of TM101 is EXACTLY what this thread is about. yes it had the impact, the influence, it stopped time & changed the game, but the actually quality of the album is probably about 4 mics.

yes trap muzik is super dope. but I wouldn't call it a classic. theres levels to this.

as for the last comment at the very bottom, you gotta put stuff like that into perspective. you have to take into account that all eras aren't created equal. jeezy came at a time when mainstream rap was on its deathbed(and it proceeded to die). and especially with the street chit, where barely any street chit was getting a major push. he wouldn't be as big in a better era.

and I'm not saying that none of these guys were organic. they just benefited from playing in a diluted field of mainstream rap.

and 50 cent was organic too, of course. but that interscope machine boosted him. put him on def jam and hes probably triple platinum or something. maybe even quadruple. so yea he was gonna have his run regardless. but a diamond album? allegedly ending jarule's career and all that stuff? that interscope machine boosted all that.

and all hype aside, that GRODT album was a step down from the underground stuff. a very formulaic record. I called it right then & there. I knew it wasn't gonna be long before he fizzled. and it happened quicker than I expected.

 

[SirBiatch]

a couple Jeezy fans love to talk about TM101 more than they actually listen to it. TM101 was 100% hype, and it's faded.

GRODT is a far superior album to TM101. Nowhere near close. And yes, GRODT was 70% hype. Half that album still holds up though.

 

[SirBiatch]

Carter 3...off the back of 2 classic albums in C1 & C2, and 3 straight classic mixtapes in Dedication 2, Drought 3 and the leaked C3 sessions ...it was a let down quality wise, but the impact steered the entire direction of hip hop since

Vol. 2 ...Hard Knock Life ...can't believe I'm the first to mention it...this is the album that MADE Jay-Z, was the dawn of the rocafella era, and pushed hov to tier 1 status...quality wise, it's somewhere in the bottom-middle of his catalog..but again, the impact literally altered hip hop history

GRODT ...already been mentioned

are you kidding me? That's arguably Jay-Z's best album. The singles were scorching. I rank it on the same level as Reasonable Doubt.

There's a reason Vol 2 made Jay-Z.

 

[Knicksman20]

Life After Death not having classic quality Internet nikkas I swear

 

[BO BARON]

most "gangsta rap" had substance back then. AMW does indeed file under that category.

the rest of those are just really good gangsta rap albums? REALLY?

and your description of TM101 is EXACTLY what this thread is about. yes it had the impact, the influence, it stopped time & changed the game, but the actually quality of the album is probably about 4 mics.

yes trap muzik is super dope. but I wouldn't call it a classic. theres levels to this.

as for the last comment at the very bottom, you gotta put stuff like that into perspective. you have to take into account that all eras aren't created equal. jeezy came at a time when mainstream rap was on its deathbed(and it proceeded to die). and especially with the street chit, where barely any street chit was getting a major push. he wouldn't be as big in a better era.

and I'm not saying that none of these guys were organic. they just benefited from playing in a diluted field of mainstream rap.

and 50 cent was organic too, of course. but that interscope machine boosted him. put him on def jam and hes probably triple platinum or something. maybe even quadruple. so yea he was gonna have his run regardless. but a diamond album? allegedly ending jarule's career and all that stuff? that interscope machine boosted all that.

and all hype aside, that GRODT album was a step down from the underground stuff. a very formulaic record. I called it right then & there. I knew it wasn't gonna be long before he fizzled. and it happened quicker than I expected.

Most gangsta rap didnt have substance back then only a few

Most of it was about guns bytches & killing over old funk or isley brothers beats

That's why the studio gangstas thing became so popular.

Gangsta rap was way more voilent & stupid back then.

Name a pure gangsta rap album that came out from 98 to now better than 101, grodt, the doc or trap muzik thats better

The impacts those albums had was strictly because of the sound especially the doc & 101

TI, jeezy, game & 50 are all the cream of the crop of the 20th century & those albums are they best bodies of work

Even though i like urdan legend better than trap muzik personally

1 thing i hate is how hip hop know it alls dikk ride the 90s like all the music that came out was great & had substance

No it was just more diverse & alot of artist & sounds from each coast were new & refreshing

Its alot of average rappers & albums that came out back then we hold in very high regard

Put it like this if jeezy ti 50 & game came out in the late 80s & mid 90s you dont think them & those albums wouldnt stand out???

50 fizzled because he could never out do grodt or even come close.

The production on that album was

Plus the whole character & concept of him at that time was on some cartoon type shyt. Like a super hero name super gangsta. The nikka had the costume & everything all he needed was a cape

 

[feelosofer]

Carter 3...off the back of 2 classic albums in C1 & C2, and 3 straight classic mixtapes in Dedication 2, Drought 3 and the leaked C3 sessions ...it was a let down quality wise, but the impact steered the entire direction of hip hop since

Vol. 2 ...Hard Knock Life ...can't believe I'm the first to mention it...this is the album that MADE Jay-Z, was the dawn of the rocafella era, and pushed hov to tier 1 status...quality wise, it's somewhere in the bottom-middle of his catalog..but again, the impact literally altered hip hop history

GRODT ...already been mentioned

The bolded here is so true, this may be the best example in this thread, because, imo, I thought it Jay-Z's worst at the time (still near the bottom of the catalogue) but the streets went wild for this album.

 

[Wacky D]

Life After Death not having classic quality Internet nikkas I swear

you still lingering around trying to throw lil pop shots?

you didn't get enough of me tossing you around like a ragdoll yet?

 

[SirBiatch]

The bolded here is so true, this may be the best example in this thread, because, imo, I thought it Jay-Z's worst at the time (still near the bottom of the catalogue) but the streets went wild for this album.

I never understand the "Vol 2 sucks" comments from some posters. I wonder if they honestly like hip hop.

I'll be flat out honest: I didn't give a fukk about Jay-Z till Vol 2 came out. I hadn't heard Reasonable Doubt or Vol 1 in full, but just songs here and there. I thought he was the weakest on Brooklyns Finest.

Then Vol 2 came out and I saw Jay-Z in a whole new light.

 

[Knicksman20]

you still lingering around trying to throw lil pop shots?

you didn't get enough of me tossing you around like a ragdoll yet?

Ok Wacky Down-syndrome. You didn't toss anything; if anything I invalidated your whole stance on 90's hip hop because you were a pre teen rich suburban cornball that was "on rap forums in 94" while most of us lived through the era (and didn't have computers) & had real discussions with young & older adults. This is exactly why I ignore you 99% of the time because you're corny & you try damn hard to rewrite rap history in regards to Biggie & Bone Thugs.

 

[Wacky D]

The bolded here is so true, this may be the best example in this thread, because, imo, I thought it Jay-Z's worst at the time (still near the bottom of the catalogue) but the streets went wild for this album.

the bolded is because every song on there is a banger which ranges from standout to classic.

and it actually holds up and still gives off the same feeling 18 years later. it feels like a greatest hits album. theres not much you can do after that.

its everything 50 cent fans want GRODT to be.

and I cant even stand the site of jay's face at this point, for the record.

 

[Wacky D]

Ok Wacky Down-syndrome. You didn't toss anything; if anything I invalidated your whole stance on 90's hip hop because you're were a pre teen rich suburban cornball that was "on rap forums in 94" while most of us lived through the era (and didn't have computers) & had real discussions with young & older adults. This is exactly why I ignore you 99% of the time because you're corny & you try your damn hard to rewrite rap history in regards to Biggie & Bone Thugs.

now I'm from the suburbs?

like I said, when you have to twist chit and downright make up lies about somebody, that's when you have to throw in the towel.

and you came out of nowhere doing it too. which means, you had animosity towards me on your chest for a while. I don't even recall having a conversation with you until you tried to push the narrative on me last week.

and what history am I rewriting again? I asked you this last week and you disappeared. now youre randomly poppin up in here, trying to throw lil subs and chit. youre a weird ass clown. I can tell you didn't do chit in the '90s but play wit ya d*ck.

 

[Knicksman20]

now I'm from the suburbs?

like I said, when you have to twist chit and downright make up lies about somebody, that's when you have to throw in the towel.

and you came out of nowhere doing it too. which means, you had animosity towards me on your chest for a while. I don't even recall having a conversation with you until you tried to push the narrative on me last week.

and what history am I rewriting again? I asked you this last week and you disappeared. now youre randomly poppin up in here, trying to throw lil subs and chit. youre a weird ass clown. I can tell you didn't do chit in the '90s but play wit ya d*ck.

Whatever you say suburban cornball. The only person not being truthful is you & I aired you out & now your trying to slowly back pedal